*lol* So I have to pay 60 bugs to get 851 bugs. Sounds like a really good deal. :) On Wed, 21 Sep 2005, Robert Schiele wrote:

On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 10:28:16AM +0200, Martin Sommer wrote:

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Currently you get a SUSE Linux box for 60 bugs with 1 DVD, 5 CDs, a

Although there are actually more bugs available for SUSE LINUX 10.0, as you can easily see at https://bugzilla.novell.com/buglist.cgi?product=SUSE+LINUX+10.0&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=REOPENED

;-P

Robert

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Am Mi 21.09.2005 11:50 schrieb IntegraGen :

one important thing : suse is released more or less every 6 months if i buy a commercial dvd player soft, i don't want to pay for it every 6 month, i prefer to buy a rpm once once and install it on my new system when i reinstall it.

You are right no that one. I think, selling a DVD player seperately would satisfy everyone: - SUSE does not include commercial products (except for free ones: Adobe Reader etc). - The price for the boxed version does not increase. - My license works with the next version of SUSE Linux, too. What Novell would have to do: - Compile a binary RPM from the OEM version of either LinDVD or PowerDVD for every release. - Sell it online The main problem is that I as a costumer can not get LinDVD nor PowerDVD as they only sell their product to OEMs. If they would sell it, Novell would not have to do anything. Dani

On Wed, 21 Sep 2005, houghi wrote:

On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 02:32:39PM +0200, Daniel Bertolo wrote:

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The main problem is that I as a costumer can not get LinDVD nor PowerDVD as they only sell their product to OEMs. If they would sell it, Novell would not have to do anything.

That is indeed the problem. If they would offer a binary for sale (for a reasonable price) that would be great.

What would be even better if they just offer it for free. They are in the business of selling DVD's, not software, or so would one think. Instead they try to rip us customers of several times. 1 time for the DVD 1 time for the player 1 time for the fact you are not allowed to make copies 1 time for the extra tax on blank CD's and DVD's (here in Belgium) </rant>

You mix up things that are a little different: "They" are the player vendors, Intervideo and Cyberlink. They can only rip us by charging money for the player software. The others are different companies (Dolby, MPEGLA, DVD CCA (the guys who make CSS), MPAA (Hollywood studios)). With each player copy Cyberlink and Intervideo sell or bundle they also need to pay royalties tho those other organisations/companies. So different companies and organizations together rip us several times. The player manufacturers are not the evil ones. -- Dr. Martin Sommer Product Manager Consumer Products SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstraße 5, D-90409 Nürnberg Phone: +49 (0) 911 740 530 Fax: +49 (0) 911 740 53 575 Email: martin.sommer@suse.com ----------------------------------------------------------

On 21-Sep-05, Daniel Bertolo wrote:

Am Mi 21.09.2005 11:50 schrieb IntegraGen :

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one important thing : suse is released more or less every 6 months if i buy a commercial dvd player soft, i don't want to pay for it every 6 month, i prefer to buy a rpm once once and install it on my new system when i reinstall it.

You are right no that one. I think, selling a DVD player seperately would satisfy everyone:

- SUSE does not include commercial products (except for free ones: Adobe Reader etc). - The price for the boxed version does not increase. - My license works with the next version of SUSE Linux, too.

What Novell would have to do:

- Compile a binary RPM from the OEM version of either LinDVD or PowerDVD for every release. - Sell it online

Sell serial numbers online. And - serial numbers work until next major release (or one more) - older versions will still be compiled and provided for some time on newer boxes This is similar to the VMWare model. But older versions should still be provided for newer Linux releases for some time (maybe a few years). The problems are: - The additional maintenance for the older versions comes at a price (although it should be less than for VMWare, since a DVD player is much less dependend on hard- and software-changes). - As with other software products, the customer cannot choose as freely when he wants to upgrade and pay the price for upgrading the DVD Player software as well. If you need to upgrade your system for some other reason (e.g. you want/need some new software that does not run on your old system, or you need/want a critical bugfix that is not available for your version of Linux), at some point you have to pay the price to upgrade the DVD Player software as well. So this model does not scale to more than one or maybe two widely used software packages. You have to think of it as "added cost for a new computer system". Regards, -- Olaf Dabrunz (od/odabrunz), SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Nürnberg