On Friday 22 April 2005 09:57, Gerhard den Hollander wrote:

* eddieleprince (Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 09:48:09AM +0100)

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I have ripped most of my CD's to mp3. I got a rude awakening when I tried to play some this morning. The only way I can play them is through realplayer!!! How sad! I usually play music in the background while at work. To do that now would be so tedious. Does anyone know of a quick fix or should I be looking for a different distro.?

YOU should have updated packages that allow mp3 playing. File: Multimedia-Option-Pack-1-52079 23 KB 06.04.2005 11:10:00 File: Multimedia-Option-Pack-2-52099 26 KB 06.04.2005 21:11:00 File: Multimedia-Option-Pack-3-52082 25 KB 06.04.2005 11:12:00 File: Multimedia-Option-Pack-4-52098 35 KB 06.04.2005 21:10:00

packman http://packman.iu-bremen.de/ also has a dungload of goodies

and there is: http://forums.suselinuxsupport.de/index.php?showtopic=14454&st=0

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Thanks a million, Gerhard. I'm enjoying my music right now! Eddie

Silviu Marin-Caea wrote:

On Friday 22 April 2005 12:11, eddieleprince wrote:

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Thanks a million, Gerhard. I'm enjoying my music right now!

And in the future, rip to .ogg :-)

After my recent experience, I would agree. I just got an iRiver IFP-790T that plays both mp3 and ogg. I ripped a cd to mp3, and just to compare also ripped it to ogg. I was amazed the mp3s took 75M, oggs took 44M, and sounded just a clear. More space efficient, great sounding, open source, what's not to like. ;-) -- Joe Morris New Tribes Mission Email Address: Joe_Morris@ntm.org Registered Linux user 231871

On Sat, 2005-04-23 at 13:56 +0100, eddieleprince wrote:

On Friday 22 Apr 2005 17:25, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote: Many standalone DVD players will play mp3 format. Will they also play ogg? What about other mp3 players will they play ogg format too?

Eddie

I guess you will have to read the box before you buy it and see what it supports. Find the model number and google for it and see what it supports. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners." -Ernst Jan Plugge

On Sat, 2005-04-23 at 14:56, eddieleprince wrote:

Many standalone DVD players will play mp3 format. Will they also play ogg? What about other mp3 players will they play ogg format too?

Eddie

True, ogg/vorbis sounds better and requires less space, But players are hard to find, allthough they do exist: http://www.kiss-technology.com/?p=dp500&v=users http://www.ism-technologies.com/fr/iops.php Hans

On Sunday 24 April 2005 14:24, Bob Rea wrote:

A question about this. I was recently given a cd player that plays mp3 but not ogg. But mopst of the stuff on this box is ogg. What's the best way to convert it to mp3 before I put it on a cd?

oggdec -o - filename.ogg | lame - filename.mp3 To do an entire directory, you'd use something like for i in *.ogg; do oggdec -o - $i | lame - ${i%.ogg}.mp3 done If your CD player supports firmware upgrades you might want to check if one is available that supports ogg before you start

The Saturday 2005-04-23 at 14:18 -0700, Curtis Rey wrote:

eddieleprince wrote:

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I have ripped most of my CD's to mp3. I got a rude awakening when I tried to play some this morning. The only way I can play them is through

The reason we have to put up with this "mp3/dvd disabled" crap is due to yours and my friends at the RIAA/MPAA. The European and Asian version of Linux distros (of which SuSE used to be - until Novell bought it) didn't have to worry as much.

Do I understand correctly that it is not legal in the US for SuSE users to listen to mp3, but it is for european users? Do you have more info on this (a link for further reading, perhaps)? I think SuSE should have told us Europeans buyers why mp3 did not work any longer, and how we could solve it. A product that sells worldwide should give this kind of info in an easy to find place (like the printed book). Multimedia is announced in the box. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 02:20:57PM +0100, Stephen Boddy wrote:

On Monday 02 May 2005 12:25, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Do I understand correctly that it is not legal in the US for SuSE users to listen to mp3, but it is for european users?

Do you have more info on this (a link for further reading, perhaps)? I think SuSE should have told us Europeans buyers why mp3 did not work any longer, and how we could solve it. A product that sells worldwide should give this kind of info in an easy to find place (like the printed book). Multimedia is announced in the box.

It's because the process of encoding and decoding mp3's are covered by software patents. In the US these are enforcable, whilst they are not (theoretically) in the EU.

This is correct. People use MP3s all the time and most probably don't realise how strict the thing is. It's not free softyware, and in fact, you're not even allowed to use it unless it's for research purposes only. I research my CD collection ;) Now, as it has been said SUSE 9.3 has a fix to allow MP3 playback and I think they should at least be given some credit for this as RedHat has had no MP3 support for a long time, and they don't give you an update which allows you to use MP3s again, you have to install everything by hand in redhat and generally take a lot of time. MP3 is very strict and Novell is just trying to not be lawyer protected over this. Or at least that is my guess. You have to remember, Novell is a big company with money, on the other hand, freely downloaded Linux distros, have no worries, they aren't companys and don't have to obide by the same rules so to speak. Now me, I don't have a problem, SUSE has a fix to use the MP3s again, and either way, I have my CDs, (15 GBs worth in MP3 format) that I re-did in OGG so that I could listen on any platform. I'm glad SUSE fixed this though because I've always loved the fact that whenh a RedHat user tries SUSE for the first time they always get back to me like "DUDE YOU CAN PLAY MP3S WITHOUT INSTALLING SOMETHING@!" That is great. The two OSs for Linux I use the most are SUSE and Slackware (Pat is a good guy and a buddy of mine and I think he does do good work, and h ell, SUSE sold Slackware for a while.) I do have to use XP because of the free printer my laptop came with not being good with Linux, and because well, Doom3, I can't get it working in Linux as of yet and I need at least one partition XP for college.

It could well be mentioned on the Novell/SuSE website, but since the buyout Novell have turned that into an obtuse exercise into frustration. A few of the reviews have highlighted this issue and the solution. Of course there is nothing to stop a US citizen downloading the additional packages, but they take on the legal responsibility themselves.

Yea it's funny you could have to go to court for making MP3s lol. It's stupid, the guy who created MP3 should release it free. If I had a lot of money, or my own company with lots of cash, I'd buy him out and buy the rights to it, and release it free. Then I'd buy out SCO, and all the rights to Unix they actually own, and then I'd buy whatever rights to Unix Novell still owns, and then I'd buy whatever the open group has on Unix, and I would own Unix and everything about Unix, and then, I'd give it to Novell, IBM, and of course me, and after a year, (After Novell, IBM and SUSE have enough of a work up on it) I'd release it GPL. Ahhh dreaming. I've always wanted my own version of Unix. And the people who used Unix and used it from SCO, which I'd bought the rights of, I'd tell them they all had to switch to a SUSE and Netware solution because Unix would no longer be supported. Buahahaha. I'd make my own version of Unix, then give it away. Novell would be first because I love them, and thye could maybe fix it up, they owned it after AT&T so they know how to work with it, and then of course IBM, so no more lawsuit from the idiots at SCO. I'd give Novell and IBM a head start though on working with Unix, and after a while I'd give it to Berkeley where it belongs and then the rest of the world. That should screw with stuff and start a revolution. ;) -Allen.

Steve Boddy

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On Mon, 2 May 2005, Allen wrote:

On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 02:20:57PM +0100, Stephen Boddy wrote:

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On Monday 02 May 2005 12:25, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Do I understand correctly that it is not legal in the US for SuSE users to listen to mp3, but it is for european users?

Do you have more info on this (a link for further reading, perhaps)? I think SuSE should have told us Europeans buyers why mp3 did not work any longer, and how we could solve it. A product that sells worldwide should give this kind of info in an easy to find place (like the printed book). Multimedia is announced in the box.

It's because the process of encoding and decoding mp3's are covered by software patents. In the US these are enforcable, whilst they are not (theoretically) in the EU.

This is correct. People use MP3s all the time and most probably don't realise how strict the thing is. It's not free softyware, and in fact, you're not even allowed to use it unless it's for research purposes only.

I research my CD collection ;)

Now, as it has been said SUSE 9.3 has a fix to allow MP3 playback and I think they should at least be given some credit for this as RedHat has had no MP3 support for a long time, and they don't give you an update which allows you to use MP3s again, you have to install everything by hand in redhat and generally take a lot of time.

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On Monday 02 May 2005 22:38, Anders Norrbring wrote:

By the way, I run x86_64...

All the win codecs are 32 bit, so to use them you need a 32 bit application. 32 bit mplayer or 32 bit xine.

On 5/3/05, Carlos E. R. wrote:

The Monday 2005-05-02 at 14:20 +0100, Stephen Boddy wrote:

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On Monday 02 May 2005 12:25, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Do I understand correctly that it is not legal in the US for SuSE users to listen to mp3, but it is for european users?

Do you have more info on this (a link for further reading, perhaps)? I think SuSE should have told us Europeans buyers why mp3 did not work any longer, and how we could solve it. A product that sells worldwide should give this kind of info in an easy to find place (like the printed book). Multimedia is announced in the box.

It's because the process of encoding and decoding mp3's are covered by software patents. In the US these are enforcable, whilst they are not (theoretically) in the EU.

Not being a lawyer, nor versed in "foreign law" I'm thoroughly confused by all this O:-) - but as previous SuSE versions supported listening to mp3 files, I thought the patent applied to creating such files, nor listening to them.

I don't remember having to pay patent fees to build my own radio years ago. Maybe listening to music I paid for is different. I must be getting dumb.

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It could well be mentioned on the Novell/SuSE website, but since the buyout Novell have turned that into an obtuse exercise into frustration.

I should be printed in paper, in the outside of the box, actually.

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A few of the reviews have highlighted this issue and the solution. Of course there is nothing to stop a US citizen downloading the additional packages, but they take on the legal responsibility themselves.

As I said, not being a lawyer, I don't know unless told in plain words, by them (SuSE); and the comments on the "/Multimedia-Option-Pack-1" say nothing of the sort before downloading. See:

Shortdescription.german: Multimedia Option Pack 1 Shortdescription.english: Multimedia Option Pack 1

Longdescription.english: Multimedia Option Pack 1

Nothing more... it does not say anything about "maybe being illegal in some countries".

And, actually, those words should be in Spanish to be legally binding for me :-p

-- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

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Please correct me if I'm wrong but it has been my understanding that any breakage regarding MP3 playback is fixed under YOU. I just wish they could fix DVD playback that way as I have never got it to work on any of my SuSE distro's (9.1+ 9.2). This despite downloading the required lib files. I suspect it was not using the newly downloaded version of Xine but that is another post :-) -- Take care. Kevan Farmer 34 Hill Street Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR

On 5/3/05, Carlos E. R. wrote:

The Tuesday 2005-05-03 at 10:30 +0100, Kevanf1 wrote:

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Shortdescription.german: Multimedia Option Pack 1 Shortdescription.english: Multimedia Option Pack 1

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Please correct me if I'm wrong but it has been my understanding that any breakage regarding MP3 playback is fixed under YOU.

See above.

-- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

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:-) -- Take care. Kevan Farmer 34 Hill Street Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR

On Wed, 2005-05-04 at 07:19, James Knott wrote:

Kevanf1 wrote:

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Please correct me if I'm wrong but it has been my understanding that any breakage regarding MP3 playback is fixed under YOU.

YOU break it, it's yours. ;-)

<thwap> YOU break it, you bought it. :)