[SLE] How long can 6.4 go?
I bought 6.1, 6.2, 6.3 and 6.4. At $20/$30 a pop it was no big deal and I didn't mind supporting the distro that had been so good to my slow learning curve, but with the new pricing, I'm gonna have to slow things down a bit and get more mileage out of the version I have. How long can a version, say 6.4, go before it's just dangerously out of date? Assuming I keep the kernel moderately fresh, what are the major packages I need to keep my eyes on? I use it for mostly specific things. As long as it does those things well, do I even need to concern myself with anything other than major security updates? I need some things in Professional like netalk, but $70 several times a year is pushing it for my small enterprise. Can I buy the personal edition, and just get the "special" packages I need from the 7.0 ftp server? Will SuSE update the 7.0 version as rapidly? Will there actually be a 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 7.4? Seems like buying 7.2 or 7.3 and riding that until 8.0 comes out could be a workable scheme. I suppose it's not out of the question to have somebody copy the Professional disks to CD-R for a drastically reduced price and just forgo the manuals? Or is that black letter, but not the spirit? Under this guise SuSE gets none of my money, that's not such a great solution either. I'm not trying to be a cheapskate pain, or take side jabs at SuSE's new pricing, but after a year or more of smooth sailing, I need to figure out what to do in the future. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
I bought 6.1, 6.2, 6.3 and 6.4.
At $20/$30 a pop it was no big deal and I didn't mind supporting the distro that had been so good to my slow learning curve, but with the new pricing, I'm gonna have to slow things down a bit and get more mileage out of the version I have.
How long can a version, say 6.4, go before it's just dangerously out of date?
It really depends on what you do. I had 5.3 (seriously out-of-date when I got it), 6.1 and 6.3. I'm planning on getting the 7.0 developer edition which will be installed on my windows machine as a dual-boot configuration. That machine has a lot of high-end hardware that would be pain to bring the 6.3 distribution up-to-date. My file server and router boxes will continue to use 6.3 since the installation is fairly stable and any future software upgrades will probably be miminal. My decision to get a new version is based on my satisifaction with the version that I got, significant changes with the new version, and what machine I will be working on. This is the reason why I skipped 6.0, 6.2, and 6.4. With the new price scheme, I might limit myself to one new version per year. Christopher Reimer -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
On Sun, Sep 10, Daniel Woodard wrote:
I need some things in Professional like netalk, but $70 several times a year is pushing it for my small enterprise.
You know that a special update version exists which should be much cheaper ? (Sorry, I don't know much about the US market, only the german version and prieces).
Can I buy the personal edition, and just get the "special" packages I need from the 7.0 ftp server?
You really should think about buying the update version. We can not gurantee, that your system is bootable if you update a professional version with the personal edition. To much packages are missing for this on the personal edition. Thorsten -- Thorsten Kukuk http://www.suse.de/~kukuk/ kukuk@suse.de SuSE GmbH Schanzaeckerstr. 10 90443 Nuernberg Linux is like a Vorlon. It is incredibly powerful, gives terse, cryptic answers and has a lot of things going on in the background. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Thorsten Kukuk wrote:
On Sun, Sep 10, Daniel Woodard wrote:
I need some things in Professional like netalk, but $70 several times a year is pushing it for my small enterprise.
You know that a special update version exists which should be much cheaper ?
Yes, but as far as we know so far the Update version will only be available direct from SuSE which wipes out any savings if one buys SuSE 7.0 from a store. Greg -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
On Sat, Sep 09, Greg Thomas wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Thorsten Kukuk wrote:
On Sun, Sep 10, Daniel Woodard wrote:
I need some things in Professional like netalk, but $70 several times a year is pushing it for my small enterprise.
You know that a special update version exists which should be much cheaper ?
Yes, but as far as we know so far the Update version will only be available direct from SuSE which wipes out any savings if one buys SuSE 7.0 from a store.
Yes, but as long as the update is cheaper than the version from the store this should be no problem. Since I don't know the US prieces it is only a guess from me based on the german prieces, but I don't think that the full version in the store is really cheaper then the update version. The personal version could be cheaper than the professinal update, but you will get only 3 CDs, not 6 CDs + 1 DVD. And lesser support. Thorsten -- Thorsten Kukuk http://www.suse.de/~kukuk/ kukuk@suse.de SuSE GmbH Schanzaeckerstr. 10 90443 Nuernberg Linux is like a Vorlon. It is incredibly powerful, gives terse, cryptic answers and has a lot of things going on in the background. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
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On Sat, Sep 09, Greg Thomas wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Thorsten Kukuk wrote:
On Sun, Sep 10, Daniel Woodard wrote:
I need some things in Professional like netalk, but $70 several times a year is pushing it for my small enterprise.
You know that a special update version exists which should be much cheaper ?
Yes, but as far as we know so far the Update version will only be available direct from SuSE which wipes out any savings if one buys SuSE 7.0 from a store.
Yes, but as long as the update is cheaper than the version from the store this should be no problem. Since I don't know the US
Except when the shipping costs from Germany would be prohibitive. The Personal Edition 7.0 sells for the same price as 6.4 in Australia ($69 when it was still 'current'), Professional at $110. The price difference between Professional and Personal is less than the freight from Germany. The list price of the Update isn't a big deal -- but add the shipping charges (30 Euro) and the cost to my door runs at about the same as the Professional package. It would make sense (to me anyway) for SuSE to allow the Upgrade packages to go through the same distribution chain as Personal and Professional packages. If SuSE isn't getting the requests for Update packages from its resellers/distributors then we, the existing user community, can ask those resellers to supply and hopefully generate a demand. Or is there some fundamental ("political") issue with supplying Upgrade packages through the usual channels? Let's face it; only a small proportion of current SuSE users *need* 7.0 "now"; I think we can wait a couple of weeks if it helps to establish a channel for receiving future updates as well. How do you want to handle this? Lead or follow? -- Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning Perth, Western Australia -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Thorsten Kukuk wrote:
Yes, but as long as the update is cheaper than the version from the store this should be no problem. Since I don't know the US prieces it is only a guess from me based on the german prieces, but I don't think that the full version in the store is really cheaper then the update version. The personal version could be cheaper than the professinal update, but you will get only 3 CDs, not 6 CDs + 1 DVD. And lesser support.
Thorsten
Hi Thorsten, BTW how much is the update version from you to me here in Straubing? That's with postage, please. TIA! Jim Hatridge hatridge@straubing.baynet.de Proud Linux User #88484 VOTE Harry Browne www.HarryBrowne2000.org and www.lp.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim's Beowulf Project Looking for giveaway computers and parts I need it all! Email Jim for details on how you can help build a poor man's super computer. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
SuSE still provides security updates on their older versions. They have also mentioned an upgrade version, but I have yet to see anything about it in the U.S. As far as your question. It depends on what you run it for. A lot of things won't change all that much. Some will. As a student, I cannot afford to buy a new version everytime. I have found that skipping a release doesn't hurt too much. As such, I probably would not even bother upgrading until 7.1 comes out. Then again that is just my opinion. Victor Cardona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Woodard" <doomx@home.com> To: <suse-linux-e@suse.com> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 11:16 PM Subject: [SLE] How long can 6.4 go?
I bought 6.1, 6.2, 6.3 and 6.4.
At $20/$30 a pop it was no big deal and I didn't mind supporting the
that had been so good to my slow learning curve, but with the new pricing, I'm gonna have to slow things down a bit and get more mileage out of the version I have.
How long can a version, say 6.4, go before it's just dangerously out of date?
Assuming I keep the kernel moderately fresh, what are the major packages I need to keep my eyes on?
I use it for mostly specific things. As long as it does those things well, do I even need to concern myself with anything other than major security updates?
I need some things in Professional like netalk, but $70 several times a year is pushing it for my small enterprise. Can I buy the personal edition, and just get the "special" packages I need from the 7.0 ftp server?
Will SuSE update the 7.0 version as rapidly? Will there actually be a 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 7.4? Seems like buying 7.2 or 7.3 and riding that until 8.0 comes out could be a workable scheme.
I suppose it's not out of the question to have somebody copy the Professional disks to CD-R for a drastically reduced price and just forgo
distro the
manuals? Or is that black letter, but not the spirit? Under this guise SuSE gets none of my money, that's not such a great solution either.
I'm not trying to be a cheapskate pain, or take side jabs at SuSE's new pricing, but after a year or more of smooth sailing, I need to figure out what to do in the future.
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On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Daniel Woodard wrote:
How long can a version, say 6.4, go before it's just dangerously out of date?
Hi all, This is hard to say. But I ran 4.4.1 for 18 months (about) until I upgraded last year to 5.2. Right now I'm running 6.3 on three of my system and I'm still on 5.2 on my main system. It seems to me that once a year upgrade is fine. Or run a version until the guys on this list stop making sense. <G> Later! Jim Hatridge hatridge@straubing.baynet.de Proud Linux User #88484 VOTE Harry Browne www.HarryBrowne2000.org and www.lp.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim's Beowulf Project Looking for giveaway computers and parts I need it all! Email Jim for details on how you can help build a poor man's super computer. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, James (Jim) Hatridge wrote: jh> On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Daniel Woodard wrote: jh> jh> > How long can a version, say 6.4, go before it's just dangerously out of date? jh> jh> Hi all, jh> jh> This is hard to say. But I ran 4.4.1 for 18 months (about) until I jh> upgraded last year to 5.2. Right now I'm running 6.3 on three of my system jh> and I'm still on 5.2 on my main system. jh> jh> It seems to me that once a year upgrade is fine. Or run a version until jh> the guys on this list stop making sense. <G> jh> I agree on that point, If you want to stay current with the topics (being on the cutting edge) then by all measn upgrade ASAP. In my opinion, theres no need to upgrade unless a) the newest version has what your looking for. b) major packages have changed, ie: libs, X, egcs (too name a few) c) you don't mind upgrading when ever theres a change (that's me) For what it's worth, I'm running 6.3 on my firewall/router box, 6.3 on my samba/mail/file server box and 6.4 on my workstation box. Just keep track of any security issues reported on SuSE's website and those systems will be fine. I'm planning on buying the 7.0pro within the next week though, just because I like supporting it, but at the moment, I've been investing all my time in car shopping. jh> Later! jh> jh> Jim Hatridge jh> hatridge@straubing.baynet.de jh> Proud Linux User #88484 jh> jh> VOTE Harry Browne jh> www.HarryBrowne2000.org and www.lp.org jh> jh> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ jh> Jim's Beowulf Project jh> Looking for giveaway computers and parts jh> I need it all! jh> Email Jim for details on jh> how you can help build a poor man's super computer. jh> jh> jh> -- S.Toms - tomas@primenet.com - www.primenet.com/~tomas SuSE Linux v6.4+ - Kernel 2.2.16 You should emulate your heros, but don't carry it too far. Especially if they are dead. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
On Sat, 09 Sep 2000, Daniel Woodard wrote:
How long can a version, say 6.4, go before it's just dangerously out of date?
In what way? Security? Is the machine connected to the net? With open ports? Servers? Or does it sit on its own? Behind a firewall? My old firewall ran 6.1 for a long time. Even after I had upgraded the machine behind it to 6.3. The firewall had everything that mattered updated but very little of that came from SuSE.
Assuming I keep the kernel moderately fresh, what are the major packages I need to keep my eyes on?
Depends on what matters to you. Depends on what you are running. The other thing is that new isn't always what you want. How long was gcc 2.7.xx the standard? Some times older is what you want.
I use it for mostly specific things. As long as it does those things well, do I even need to concern myself with anything other than major security updates?
Depending on how your system is setup you might not even need to worry about the security updates. If you only have trusted local users then you have alot less to worry about then somebody with a machine in a risky enviroment. I worry more about security updates for my firewall machine then this one. If the machine works now then you don't really ever need to update unless you want to run something new. IMHO one of the few reasons to upgrade is to get an upgraded glibc. Everything else you can just get the source and install yourself. It takes a little more effort then ftping a rpm from ftp.suse.com but it also means you can install the stuff that really matters to you without waiting for SuSE to test and make sure it doesn't break everybody else out there. Nick -- ----------------------------- Anybody got plans for an ark? ----------------------------- -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
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