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trs＠wt.net

24 Jun 1998 24 Jun '98

15:40

What does SuSE stand for? --Ray -- Theron Ray Schultz trs@wt.net, web.wt.net/~trs/ Houston, Texas, USA "Some people are educated beyond their intelligence." - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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sodah＠qatar.net.qa

24 Jun 24 Jun

15:31

TRSchultz wrote:

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What does SuSE stand for?

Software und System Entwicklung Entwicklung -> development und -> and bye fadi - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

eck＠ti.com

26 Jun 26 Jun

13:37

New subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Need help setting up STAR NX1000 Printer (Epson comp)

Up until last night I was able to print files to my epson compatable STAR printer using kedit (KDE). I installed StarOffice and tried to print a document, no go. I then ran yast and found that I could not configure my dot matrix printer to be used as a postscript printer, yast said I needed to install ghostview. I next installed all the related ghostview (gs) programs and yast now lets me configure the printer. I select epson and /dev/lp1. Tried printing from kedit and garbage comes out of the printer. I played around with a few other printer type (STAR is suppose to be compatable with IBM Pro) without good results. Currenty when I print from kedit the output to the printer is sideways with 2 pages printed per page using very tiny font. Nothing happens when I try to print from StarOffice. If someone is using either a STAR NX1000 or Epson (LX800) printer with success please email me how to set it up. Also, I have RedHat 4.2 on another partition and had this printer working correctly for kedit and StarOffice. I tried copying RedHats /etc/printcap to SuSE but this did not work. I'm running SuSE 5.2. Thanks Terry _____________________________________________________________________________ Terry Eck //// Hukt on Foniks Rilly Wurkt Fer Mee! //// - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

nelsen＠telusplanet.net

24 Jun 24 Jun

16:54

At 6/24/1998, you wrote:

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SuSE Linux is a linux distribution by the German firm SuSE (have a look at www.suse.com) wich is also available in English. It is very easy to install, a bootable CD with self installer. If you get the commercial version, I am told that it features a very good handbook and 60 days of installation support. The latest version I think is 5.2. I got the GSL version from www.lsl.com. S.u.S.E. is the abbreviation for: Gesellschaft fur Software-und Systementwicklung mbH ^ ^ ^ ^ which could be translated as 'Development of Software and Systems.' After the name there is mbh or Gmbh. GmbH is the German counterpart of Ltd. Why is it "mbH" after the full name but "GmbH" after the abbreviation? mbH - mit beschraenkter Haftung = with limited liability and the "G" stands for Gesellschaft = society (literally translated), Company. I'm open to correction on all of this. :>) Dave - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

grimmer＠suse.de

19:13

Hi, David Nelsen wrote:

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Gesellschaft fur Software-und Systementwicklung mbH

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which could be translated as 'Development of Software and Systems.'

After the name there is mbh or Gmbh.

GmbH is the German counterpart of Ltd.

Why is it "mbH" after the full name but "GmbH" after the abbreviation?

Because "Gesellschaft" is already in the Name :^)

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mbH - mit beschraenkter Haftung = with limited liability

and the "G" stands for Gesellschaft = society (literally translated), Company. I'm open to correction on all of this. :>)

No corrections necessary. Well done! LenZ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Lenz Grimmer S.u.S.E. GmbH <A HREF="mailto:grimmer@suse.de">mailto:grimmer@suse.de</A> Gebhardtstrasse 2 <A HREF="http://www.suse.de"><A HREF="http://www.suse.de</A">http://www.suse.de 90762 Fuerth, Germany - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

hlarons＠mail.comcat.com

20:40

On Wed, Jun 24, 1998 at 10:54:57AM -0600, nelsen@telusplanet.net wrote:

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It is very easy to install, a bootable CD with self installer.

I agree with that. It is easy to install, YaST is a good sys admin tool, and the comm'l distribution (I have SuSE 5.2) has tons of nice apps. BUT, see below for the darker side (IMHO).

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If you get the commercial version, I am told that it features a very good handbook and 60 days of installation support.

NOT true, in my (limited, newbie) experience. The manual really pertains, at least in part, to versions older that 5.2. Of equal concern is the quality of the German -> English translation. Sometimes it's just funny but clear, but other times there's no hope of getting the meaning intended. Technical support is poor to nonexistent, except for the folks (SuSE and others) on this list. Phone support isn't toll free (in the US) and is only available on Tue and Fri. E-mail support has not worked for me 2 out of 2 times. Howard Arons -- Powered by SuSE Linux 5.2 -- kernel 2.0.33 Communications by Mutt 0.89 - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

tanc＠cuug.ab.ca

21:46

I have been using S.u.S.E. Linux since 5.1 and I have been very happy with it. I don't know that much about the manual because I hate to read manuals unless I ultimately have to do that. But when I do read it, I find it very informative. One thing that I have gotten used to with any Liinux distribution is: don't expect any technical support from the vendor. So just hope that whatever comes out of the vendor's door is perfect, or closest to perfect. Then it is up to you to do the rest, making sure that it works on your machine. It is also when I have to dig around the system that I leant most. If you think S.u.S.E. is bad, try Red Hat and you will appreciate how good S.u.S.E. is. On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Howard Arons wrote:

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On Wed, Jun 24, 1998 at 10:54:57AM -0600, nelsen@telusplanet.net wrote:

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It is very easy to install, a bootable CD with self installer.

I agree with that. It is easy to install, YaST is a good sys admin tool, and the comm'l distribution (I have SuSE 5.2) has tons of nice apps. BUT, see below for the darker side (IMHO).

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If you get the commercial version, I am told that it features a very good handbook and 60 days of installation support.

NOT true, in my (limited, newbie) experience. The manual really pertains, at least in part, to versions older that 5.2. Of equal concern is the quality of the German -> English translation. Sometimes it's just funny but clear, but other times there's no hope of getting the meaning intended.

Technical support is poor to nonexistent, except for the folks (SuSE and others) on this list. Phone support isn't toll free (in the US) and is only available on Tue and Fri. E-mail support has not worked for me 2 out of 2 times.

Howard Arons -- Powered by SuSE Linux 5.2 -- kernel 2.0.33 Communications by Mutt 0.89 - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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hlarons＠mail.comcat.com

25 Jun 25 Jun

20:13

On Wed, Jun 24, 1998 at 03:46:27PM -0600, tanc@cuug.ab.ca wrote:

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I have been using S.u.S.E. Linux since 5.1 and I have been very happy with it. I don't know that much about the manual because I hate to read manuals unless I ultimately have to do that. But when I do read it, I find it very informative.

Generally, I agree with that. But, a big part of the "value added" proposition that SuSE is selling with the "official" distro is the (much touted) manual. If it's part of what I'm paying the $50 for it ought to provide value.

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One thing that I have gotten used to with any Liinux distribution is: don't expect any technical support from the vendor.

See my comments above re value added.

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It is also when I have to dig around the system that I leant most. If you think S.u.S.E. is bad, try Red Hat and you will appreciate how good S.u.S.E. is.

Once again, I agree. I've never tried Red Hat, but SuSE isn't so opaque that you can't get back to basics if the automagic feature doesn't work. Did that with PPP and printing too (with big time help from this list).

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On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Howard Arons wrote:

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NOT true, in my (limited, newbie) experience. The manual really pertains, at least in part, to versions older that 5.2. Of equal concern is the quality of the German -> English translation. Sometimes it's just funny but clear, but other times there's no hope of getting the meaning intended.

Technical support is poor to nonexistent, except for the folks (SuSE and others) on this list. Phone support isn't toll free (in the US) and is only available on Tue and Fri. E-mail support has not worked for me 2 out of 2 times.

Howard Arons

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tanc＠cuug.ab.ca

20:47

On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Howard Arons wrote:

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On Wed, Jun 24, 1998 at 03:46:27PM -0600, tanc@cuug.ab.ca wrote:

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I have been using S.u.S.E. Linux since 5.1 and I have been very happy with it. I don't know that much about the manual because I hate to read manuals unless I ultimately have to do that. But when I do read it, I find it very informative.

Generally, I agree with that. But, a big part of the "value added" proposition that SuSE is selling with the "official" distro is the (much touted) manual. If it's part of what I'm paying the $50 for it ought to provide value.

I do realize that. But I think that may only be the case in a perfect world. Get Red Hat, try to install it, try to get it to work as well as your S.u.S.E. system then tell me about value added. Can someone here help me with what's the price of Red Hat package and what's the price of S.u.S.E.? If you are talking about free distribution, you can download both Red Hat and S.u.S.E. off the Net. Try installing both that way, and you'll see what I mean. Like I said before, with any Linux distribution, just hope that the package is perfect or at least near perfect when it leaves the vendor's door. Personally, I find Red Hat very convoluted in that the configuration is thrown around everywhere. Remote administration is not as easy as S.u.S.E. also. I would love to hear from anyone who managed to be doing remote administration on a Red Hat system for more than 3 weeks.

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One thing that I have gotten used to with any Liinux distribution is: don't expect any technical support from the vendor.

See my comments above re value added.

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It is also when I have to dig around the system that I leant most. If you think S.u.S.E. is bad, try Red Hat and you will appreciate how good S.u.S.E. is.

Once again, I agree. I've never tried Red Hat, but SuSE isn't so opaque that you can't get back to basics if the automagic feature doesn't work. Did that with PPP and printing too (with big time help from this list).

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On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Howard Arons wrote:

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NOT true, in my (limited, newbie) experience. The manual really pertains, at least in part, to versions older that 5.2. Of equal concern is the quality of the German -> English translation. Sometimes it's just funny but clear, but other times there's no hope of getting the meaning intended.

Technical support is poor to nonexistent, except for the folks (SuSE and others) on this list. Phone support isn't toll free (in the US) and is only available on Tue and Fri. E-mail support has not worked for me 2 out of 2 times.

Howard Arons -- Powered by SuSE Linux 5.2 -- kernel 2.0.33 Communications by Mutt 0.89

nelsen＠telusplanet.net

16:28

New subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re:What does SuSE stand for?

At 6/24/1998, you wrote:

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If you get the commercial version,... it features a very good handbook and 60 days of..support.

NOT true, in my (limited, newbie) experience.

Howard Arons --

Perhaps vendors of commercial distributions should contemplate the extent to which they are in competition with their own code in the GSL. IMHO, if a commercial Linux vendor offered an excellent manual and solid tech support, they could capture a very large market share. My perception is that experienced UNIX / Linux users are fine with Slackware and net downloads as required. They don't need hand-holding or no steenkin manual. But we might guess that the larger potential market is the great unwashed masses of Windows users who wish to migrate to a higher level of computing. We come into Linux dumb as the proverbial post looking for that value added support the we suppose would be part and parcel with a commercial distribution. When it's not evident (by reading the news groups) we go GSL. In the long run however, learning it the hard way may be the best teacher. This concludes the philosophical portion of today's programing. Dave - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

schullersite＠NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de

17:36

New subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re:What does SuSE stand for?

David Nelsen wrote:

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At 6/24/1998, you wrote:

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If you get the commercial version,... it features a very good handbook and 60 days of..support.

NOT true, in my (limited, newbie) experience.

Howard Arons --

Perhaps vendors of commercial distributions should contemplate the extent to which they are in competition with their own code in the GSL. IMHO, if a commercial Linux vendor offered an excellent manual and solid tech support, they could capture a very large market share. My perception is that experienced UNIX / Linux users are fine with Slackware and net downloads as required. They don't need hand-holding or no steenkin manual. But we might guess that the larger potential market is the great unwashed masses of Windows users who wish to migrate to a higher level of computing. We come into Linux dumb as the proverbial post looking for that value added support the we suppose would be part and parcel with a commercial distribution. When it's not evident (by reading the news groups) we go GSL. In the long run however, learning it the hard way may be the best teacher. This concludes the philosophical portion of today's programing.

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The SuSE commercial distribution is well worth all $35 that Linux Central ( <A HREF="http://www.linuxcentral.com"><A HREF="http://www.linuxcentral.com</A">http://www.linuxcentral.com )charges for it. You get a 400+ page book, 4 CD's full of software, a boot disk and 60 days of tech support that I've _never_ had to use- their book and the HOWTO's have been all I need. I don't know what Howard's experience has been, but this is far and away the best Linux distribution I've ever bought. It blows the doors off of Red Hat for completeness and lack of bugs. Ken -- Ken Schuller Network Systems Specialist NovaNET Learning, Inc. <hint> Take out the spam foil to reply via e-mail. </hint> Incidentally, I speak for me. That's all. No one else. Linux- the best things in life are free! (Or at least GPL'ed...) - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

hekate＠intergate.bc.ca

17:59

New subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re:What does SuSE stand for?

I agree. SuSE is awesome, and I like it far better than RH. They seem to think things out thoroughly and concentrate on efficiency. RH, *does* have glibc and egcs, and my SuSE, doesn't yet, but other than a few upgrades (which I suspect happens this way because of SuSE's wanting STABILITY and not to just get the 'latest stuff') like this, I can't complain. Besides it's also friendly to people coming FROM the other dists, so you get the enhanced functionality of the changed dist without any significant downtime. I mention this cause I don't think going from Slak to Debian, or Stampede would be quite as easy (though I could be wrong)

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The SuSE commercial distribution is well worth all $35 that Linux Central ( <A HREF="http://www.linuxcentral.com"><A HREF="http://www.linuxcentral.com</A">http://www.linuxcentral.com )charges for it. You get a 400+ page book, 4 CD's full of software, a boot disk and 60 days of tech support that I've _never_ had to use- their book and the HOWTO's have been all I need.

I don't know what Howard's experience has been, but this is far and away the best Linux distribution I've ever bought. It blows the doors off of Red Hat for completeness and lack of bugs.

Ken --

Ken Schuller

Network Systems Specialist

NovaNET Learning, Inc.

<hint> Take out the spam foil to reply via e-mail. </hint>

Incidentally, I speak for me. That's all. No one else.

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hlarons＠mail.comcat.com

20:13

New subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re:What does SuSE stand for?

On Thu, Jun 25, 1998 at 10:28:54AM -0600, nelsen@telusplanet.net wrote:

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[Much sound philosophy snipped]

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In the long run however, learning it the hard way may be the best teacher. This concludes the philosophical portion of today's programing.

Dave

You're might right. The valuable stuff about Linux that I've learned has come from getting under the hood. But, as a newbie, I didn't trust myself to start "cold" with something like Slackware. Now I feel a bit different, but that's with hindsight. Howard Arons -- Powered by SuSE Linux 5.2 -- kernel 2.0.33 Communications by Mutt 0.89 - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

hattons＠cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil

26 Jun 26 Jun

03:44

Howard Arons wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> NOT true, in my (limited, newbie) experience. The manual really pertains, at least in part, to versions older that 5.2. Of equal concern is the quality of the German -> English translation. Sometimes it's just funny but clear, but other times there's no hope of getting the meaning intended. Technical support is poor to nonexistent, except for the folks (SuSE and others) on this list. Phone support isn't toll free (in the US) and is only available on Tue and Fri. E-mail support has not worked for me 2 out of 2 times. Howard Arons -- Powered by SuSE Linux 5.2 -- kernel 2.0.33 Communications by Mutt 0.89 -</BLOCKQUOTE> Howard, Well, since I am usually the one to be posting about things I don't like, I guess I should take a moment to comment on what I do like. When I first got 5.1, I called the tech support number and found that they were available only during limited hours on Thursday. I bled all over the ppp setup until tech support Thursday. I got through to a guy who's english was almost exactly like that in the book. He got me fixed up and on my way in a matter of minutes. I expect that thier tech support will grow as the company grows. It is important that they grow with an eye toward maintaining quality. I have had other problems that I found overwhelming. These I have directed to this list. For the really important things I have received very good answers, in a timely manner. There are a few smaller issues that have gone unresolved. I have found that as I learn more about Linux, I find experts here who know that much more than I. It is certainly this list that keeps me on the S.u.S.E. subscription list. I don't mind paying the money for the distribution. I believe it helps S.u.S.E. and Linux grow. If I remember correctly I have been using Linux for four months. I have an NT boot on this system that I rarely use anymore. When I port Mathematica over, and find an office product that is extensively compatible with M$ Office, I may slick the wasted NT partition and put it to good use. The book could certainly benefit from the hand of a professional tech writer. It has been useful in many instances. I have found a few problems with XFree86, but overall I find this product amazingly well put together. When I find things I don't like I say so. I am nowhere near regretting the money that I have paid to S.u.S.E. I am sure they will improve the product as thier resources grow. If you look at the post I made a few hours before this one and read the stuff on InfoWorld's site, you will see that S.u.S.E. gets a very good thumbs up. This product is a winner and I'm happy to be associated with it. steve -- <A HREF="http://counter.li.org/"><IMG SRC="cid:part1.35931915.EBB46181@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil" HEIGHT=110 WIDTH=190></A> Yo Bill! Doo-bee, doo-bee, doo. THE WORD OF GOD IS THE CREATION WE BEHOLD: And it is in this word, which no human invention can counterfeit or alter, that God speaketh universally to man. - Thomas Paine, _The Age of Reason_ [L]et [the charter] be brought forth placed on the divine law, the word of God; let a crown be placed thereon, by which; the world may know, that so far as we approve of monarchy, that in America the law is king. - Thomas Paine, *Common Sense*, February 14th, 1776 <A HREF="gif00004.gif"><IMG SRC="gif00004.gif" ALT="GIF image"></A>

schullersite＠NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de

04:19

Steven T. Hatton wrote:

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I have found that as I learn more about Linux, I find experts here who know that much more than I. It is certainly this list that keeps me on the S.u.S.E. subscription list. I don't mind paying the money for the distribution. I believe it helps S.u.S.E. and Linux grow. If I remember correctly I have been using Linux for four months. I have an NT boot on this system that I rarely use anymore. When I port Mathematica over, and find an office product that is extensively compatible with M$ Office, I may slick the wasted NT partition and put it to good use.

$35 for 600MB worth of apps and documentation? The best Linux deal I've found. And, unlike Red Hat, they're not releasing the errata, patches and bug fixes the day after they release the distribution. Finally, the pamphlet they include with Red Hat is no match for the SuSE book, even if the English is broken in places. I realize I'm preaching to the choir, but I was a newbie as recently as a few months ago, and after trying two Red Hat distributions before moving to SuSE, I've never needed to call tech support. The NG's, Web sites, and mailing lists covered everything I needed to know. Of course, 900f that info is in glowing detail either in comment lines in the various .rc files, HOWTO's, or man pages. Ken -- Ken Schuller Network Systems Specialist NovaNET Learning, Inc. <hint> Take out the spam foil to reply via e-mail. </hint> Incidentally, I speak for me. That's all. No one else. Linux- the best things in life are free! (Or at least GPL'ed...) - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

nelsen＠telusplanet.net

13:38

At 6/25/1998, you wrote:

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sites, and mailing lists covered everything I needed to know.

Ken -- Good point and one that I need to keep in mind. Linux is very netcentric. If you look at the typical Windows user, s/he probably doesn't spent many hours per week in user groups and such. But who goes downtown and grabs a copy of "Linux98", just plops it on and goes back to playing games or whatever? We are in a net community, rather than individuals with pulp

...........[major snip]............................The NG's, Web based books. And that's a very good thing. Dave - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

bb＠suse.com

29 Jun 29 Jun

19:56

Ken Schuller wrote:

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Steven T. Hatton wrote:

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I have found that as I learn more about Linux, I find experts here who know that much more than I. It is certainly this list that keeps me on the S.u.S.E. subscription list. I don't mind paying the money for the distribution. I believe it helps S.u.S.E. and Linux grow. If I remember correctly I have been using Linux for four months. I have an NT boot on this system that I rarely use anymore. When I port Mathematica over, and find an office product that is extensively compatible with M$ Office, I may slick the wasted NT partition and put it to good use.

$35 for 600MB worth of apps and documentation? The best Linux deal I've found. And, unlike Red Hat, they're not releasing the errata, patches and bug fixes the day after they release the distribution. Finally, the pamphlet they include with Red Hat is no match for the SuSE book, even if the English is broken in places.

We are working on this. I'm not sure if we'll have a better manual for the 5.3, but the 6.0 manual will definitly be edited by an anerican native english speaker. If you call our hotline you'll talk with me and as i'M living in the US now, my english will get better too (at least I hope...:) Ciao, BB -- Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873 bb@suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 <A HREF="http://www.suse.com"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com</A">http://www.suse.com Oakland CA, 94610 USA - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

nelsen＠telusplanet.net

20:40

New subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date

At 6/29/1998, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite cite>We are working on this. I'm not sure if we'll have a better manual for the 5.3, but the 6.0 manual will definitly be edited by an anerican native english speaker. Ciao, BB -- Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873 bb@suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 <a href="http://www.suse.com/" eudora="autourl"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com</a">http://www.suse.com Oakland CA, 94610 USA -</blockquote> Forgive me if this is an improper question - but do you have any idea about an approximate release date for 6.0? Dave - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

bouke＠xs4all.nl

22:12

New subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date

Please do not send any html/mime stuff to this list ! look at how it looks in mutt, the next mail this way wil be send to /dev/null without reading it grtz Bouke Op Mon, Jun 29, 1998 at 02:40:31PM -0600, schreef David Nelsen: <html> At 6/29/1998, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite cite>We are working on this. I'm not sure if we'll have a better manual for the 5.3, but the 6.0 manual will definitly be edited by an anerican native english speaker. Ciao, BB -- Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC ; fon +1-510-835 7873 bb@suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 <a href="http://www.suse.com/" eudora="autourl">http://www.suse.com</a> Oakland CA, 94610 USA -</blockquote> Forgive me if this is an improper question - but do you have any idea about an approximate release date for 6.0? Dave </html> -- <Iwan2> jan: welk os draai je? <janvt> W98 <Iwan2> jan: nee, ik vroeg niet welk virus! - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

nelsen＠telusplanet.net

30 Jun 30 Jun

00:13

New subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date

At 6/29/1998, you wrote:

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Please do not send any html/mime stuff to this list !

look at how it looks in mutt, the next mail this way wil be send to /dev/null without reading it

grtz Bouke

Or maybe Linux should get a contempory mail program. Does not Netscape mail do current mail formats? Dave - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

junk＠nomail.to.meplease.suse.de

00:26

New subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date

Netscape is fine, if you're always in X. I'm not. I use Pine alot and it's annoying when people send that html stuff. That's just me. I don't suggest that people should not send such stuff. I just know I have been deleting it. On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, David Nelsen wrote:

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At 6/29/1998, you wrote:

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Please do not send any html/mime stuff to this list !

look at how it looks in mutt, the next mail this way wil be send to /dev/null without reading it

grtz Bouke

Or maybe Linux should get a contempory mail program. Does not Netscape mail do current mail formats?

Dave

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tanc＠cuug.ab.ca

04:04

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The nice thing about using Pine is that I can check my mail from anywhere in the world, as long as I have a telnet connection. C. J. Tan On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, happycamper wrote:

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Netscape is fine, if you're always in X. I'm not. I use Pine alot and it's annoying when people send that html stuff. That's just me. I don't suggest that people should not send such stuff. I just know I have been deleting it.

On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, David Nelsen wrote:

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At 6/29/1998, you wrote:

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Please do not send any html/mime stuff to this list !

look at how it looks in mutt, the next mail this way wil be send to /dev/null without reading it

grtz Bouke

Or maybe Linux should get a contempory mail program. Does not Netscape mail do current mail formats?

Dave

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nils＠work.de

08:49

New subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date

I agree that html should not be used for email, but... What version are you using? Doesn't pine filter out html tags? (at least it beats using rtf) At 17:26 29.06.98 -0700, you wrote:

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Netscape is fine, if you're always in X. I'm not. I use Pine alot and it's annoying when people send that html stuff. That's just me. I don't suggest that people should not send such stuff. I just know I have been deleting it.

---------------------------------------------------------------------- <A HREF="http://privat.schlund.de/bartmoss/"><A HREF="http://privat.schlund.de/bartmoss/</A">http://privat.schlund.de/bartmoss/ ICQ UIN: 3322540 - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

hekate＠intergate.bc.ca

16:48

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No it doesn't. Obviously. It includes it as an attachment which I can't see and have to use a switch to see. Isn't it obvious that it doesn't or would I have commented? I guess you think people complain about the tags for the sound of their voices. Thanx for your help here as well, 'Nils'. Think. On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Nils Jeppe wrote:

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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:49:12 +0200 From: Nils Jeppe Reply-To: suse-linux-e@suse.com To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date

I agree that html should not be used for email, but... What version are you using? Doesn't pine filter out html tags?

(at least it beats using rtf)

At 17:26 29.06.98 -0700, you wrote:

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Netscape is fine, if you're always in X. I'm not. I use Pine alot and it's annoying when people send that html stuff. That's just me. I don't suggest that people should not send such stuff. I just know I have been deleting it.

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leonmcclatchey＠homemail.com

1 Jul 1 Jul

02:46

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Nils Jeppe wrote:

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I agree that html should not be used for email, but... What version are you using? Doesn't pine filter out html tags?

On those occasions that I have used Pine to look at the mail, whenever there was html involved, pine always told me to use v/s to save the file for viewing with another application:-) -- cya l8r Leon McClatchey leonmcclatchey@homemail.com Linux User 78912 (Linux Box) - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

hekate＠intergate.bc.ca

02:53

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That's my experience too. I think the point is, in general, that it's just annoying to send html. Sorry, suse-people, that this boring thread still lives!! I think it's been resolved. Let's move on, if it's not too impertinant to say. On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Leon McClatchey wrote:

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Nils Jeppe wrote:

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I agree that html should not be used for email, but... What version are you using? Doesn't pine filter out html tags?

On those occasions that I have used Pine to look at the mail, whenever there was html involved, pine always told me to use v/s to save the file for viewing with another application:-)

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hatridge＠straubing.baynet.de

30 Jun 30 Jun

17:54

New subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date

On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, happycamper wrote:

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Netscape is fine, if you're always in X. I'm not. I use Pine alot and it's annoying when people send that html stuff. That's just me. I don't suggest that people should not send such stuff. I just know I have been deleting it.

Hi all, I agree with you. I use pine because it's faster and takes up less HD. The html stuff is a pain in the wrong end. JIM ----------------------------------------- Jim Hatridge Germany hatridge@straubing.baynet.de M$ -- Ghostdriver* on the road to the future! (*German Slang for the guy driving on the wrong side of the road!) - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

schullersite＠NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de

01:21

New subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date

David Nelsen wrote:

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At 6/29/1998, you wrote:

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Please do not send any html/mime stuff to this list !

look at how it looks in mutt, the next mail this way wil be send to /dev/null without reading it

grtz Bouke

Or maybe Linux should get a contempory mail program. Does not Netscape mail do current mail formats?

Dave

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I think it has very little to do with how "contemporary" a mail format is. ASCII text is the standard for e-mail. HTML is the standard for W3 documents. -- Ken Schuller Network Systems Specialist NovaNET Learning, Inc. <hint> Take out the spam foil to reply via e-mail. </hint> Incidentally, I speak for me. That's all. No one else. Linux- the best things in life are free! (Or at least GPL'ed...) - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

satan3＠home.com

01:23

New subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date

That isn't the point. Some people prefer the console, some people don't even have x installed. Send your mom and best friend html all you want, but when you are sending a post to a public forum that is read by hundreds of users it is just plain rude to send html. David Nelsen wrote:

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Or maybe Linux should get a contempory mail program. Does not Netscape mail do current mail formats?

Dave

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nelsen＠telusplanet.net

02:57

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At 6/29/1998, you wrote:

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That isn't the point. Some people prefer the console, some people don't even have x installed. Send your mom and best friend html all you want, but when you are sending a post to a public forum that is read by hundreds of users it is just plain rude to send html.

I am sorry if I sent eye-strain email, but in this case it's not so much rude as ignorant. All email looks the same here as Eudora does whatever it does in the background. What's worse is I don't know how to regulate it's formatting. I'll refrain form posting until I get email figured out in Linux. Dave - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

satan3＠home.com

04:08

New subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date

David Nelsen wrote:

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I am sorry if I sent eye-strain email, but in this case it's not so much rude as ignorant. All email looks the same here as Eudora does whatever it does in the background. What's worse is I don't know how to regulate it's formatting. I'll refrain form posting until I get email figured out in Linux.

It's not exactly a capital offense. Sorry to jump all over you about it. Netscape allows you to toggle html mail off in both the windows and unix flavors, so I'm sure most emailer browser/composers do as well. -- ==================================================================== Michael Lankton <A HREF="http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org"><A HREF="http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org</A">http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org ==================================================================== - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

fmiller＠lightlink.com

1 Jul 1 Jul

01:02

New subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date

Michael Lankton wrote:

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David Nelsen wrote:

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I am sorry if I sent eye-strain email, but in this case it's not so much rude as ignorant. All email looks the same here as Eudora does whatever it does in the background. What's worse is I don't know how to regulate it's formatting. I'll refrain form posting until I get email figured out in Linux.

It's not exactly a capital offense. Sorry to jump all over you about it. Netscape allows you to toggle html mail off in both the windows and unix flavors, so I'm sure most emailer browser/composers do as well.

Eudora does provide the toggles, but I can't remember where they are in the setup. Fred - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

tanc＠cuug.ab.ca

30 Jun 30 Jun

04:13

New subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date

Anyone has a Windows machine with Eudora installed to help here? C. J. Tan On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, David Nelsen wrote:

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At 6/29/1998, you wrote:

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That isn't the point. Some people prefer the console, some people don't even have x installed. Send your mom and best friend html all you want, but when you are sending a post to a public forum that is read by hundreds of users it is just plain rude to send html.

I am sorry if I sent eye-strain email, but in this case it's not so much rude as ignorant. All email looks the same here as Eudora does whatever it does in the background. What's worse is I don't know how to regulate it's formatting. I'll refrain form posting until I get email figured out in Linux.

Dave

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beamanj＠novaquest.com

10:06

New subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Oracle 7.0 on Linux

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bouke＠xs4all.nl

10:30

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Op Mon, Jun 29, 1998 at 08:57:06PM -0600, schreef David Nelsen:

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At 6/29/1998, you wrote:

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That isn't the point. Some people prefer the console, some people don't even have x installed. Send your mom and best friend html all you want, but when you are sending a post to a public forum that is read by hundreds of users it is just plain rude to send html.

I am sorry if I sent eye-strain email, but in this case it's not so much rude as ignorant. All email looks the same here as Eudora does whatever it does in the background. What's worse is I don't know how to regulate it's formatting. I'll refrain form posting until I get email figured out in Linux.

Hi Dave, X-Sender: nelsen@mail.telusplanet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 and regular plain asci, you did it right anyway ;-) In Eudora switch on/off (i'm not sure) the tickbox in the options that disregards all styles before sending the email. That should fix your problem grtz Bouke -- <Iwan2> jan: welk os draai je? <janvt> W98 <Iwan2> jan: nee, ik vroeg niet welk virus! - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

hatridge＠straubing.baynet.de

17:58

New subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date

On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Bouke van der Voet wrote:

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X-Sender: nelsen@mail.telusplanet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1

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Bouke

Hi Bouke, Is a version of Eudora for Linux yet? Thanks JIM ----------------------------------------- Jim Hatridge Germany hatridge@straubing.baynet.de M$ -- Ghostdriver* on the road to the future! (*German Slang for the guy driving on the wrong side of the road!) - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

hekate＠intergate.bc.ca

19:16

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Last time I checked there wasn't one for unices. On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Jim Hatridge wrote:

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Is a version of Eudora for Linux yet?

Thanks

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chaos＠odn.de

10:11

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HihO...

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Please do not send any html/mime stuff to this list !

Or maybe Linux should get a contempory mail program. Does not Netscape mail do current mail formats?

i think the curent mail format is ascii... html is not the current mail format- it's the current web-format... - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

weissel＠jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de

14:47

New subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date

Hi! Trying to kill the keyboard, nelsen@telusplanet.net produced: [HTML in email(lists)]

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Or maybe Linux should get a contempory mail program. Does not Netscape mail do current mail formats?

So you say excel and word-x.x -Attachments and emails are no problem either, do you? Cause they are 'contemporary', too. Like Spam is. Like MS is. Heavens, you write to be understood[1], and if you talk in an Inuit-dialect, don't be shocked if most of the rest of the world won't understand a word of what you say. And don't come and say that for you all of the world has to learn your tongue, be it 'contemporary' or not. <FLAME mode=very_warm> As in 'contempory mail program' --- maybe get one that does not make lines like ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++ +++++++++++. cause that looks STUPID and is *hard* to the eyes and is annoying to boot. Or is that 'contemporary' nowadays? And just because it looks OK with your reader it *must* be OK with all others? Look at my one-shot .sig to know what I think about that! </FLAME> [1] I hope, else you write to annoy; in that case BE GONE. -Wolfgang -- "Anyone who slaps a 'this page is best viewed with Browser X' label on a Web page appears to be yearning for the bad old days, before the Web, when you had very little chance of reading a document written on another computer, another word processor, or another network." -Tim Berners-Lee, July 1996 - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

gecko＠benham.net

18:19

New subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date

<PRE> On 30-Jun-98 David Nelsen wrote:

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Or maybe Linux should get a contempory mail program. Does not Netscape mail do current mail formats?

<Personal Opinion> I chose not to read HTML-MAIL. I *like* the mail program I use (xfmail) that came with SuSE (well, I d/led an update of it) but it does not decode HTML tags embedded into Email Message. I *hate* netscape mail. ---------------------------------- <A HREF="http://benham.net/index.html"><A HREF="http://benham.net/index.html</A">http://benham.net/index.html -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS d+(-) s:+ a29 C++$ UL++>++++ P+++$ L++>++++ E? W+++$ N+(-) o? K- w+++$(--) O M-- V- PS-- PE++ Y++ PGP++ t+ 5 X R+ !tv b++++ DI+++ D++ G++>G+++ e h+ r* y+ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ ---------------------------------- </PRE> <A HREF="pgp00004.pgp"> PGP signature</A>

jonathan＠aracnet.net

1 Jul 1 Jul

03:07

New subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date

On 30-Jun-98 The Gecko wrote:

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Or maybe Linux should get a contempory mail program. Does not Netscape mail do current mail formats?

<Personal Opinion> I chose not to read HTML-MAIL. I *like* the mail program I use (xfmail) that came with SuSE (well, I d/led an update of it) but it does not decode HTML tags embedded into Email Message. I *hate* netscape mail.

Yes! I also like that I can delete Netscape for room if I want and not lose mail. I downloaded the update as well, but couldn't get it to run for the life of me. Did you need to get a new XForms library? Every time I ran with the new one installed (1.3), it ran the old one (1.2) --- jonathan@aracnet.net <A HREF="http://members.xoom.com/JMarkevich"><A HREF="http://members.xoom.com/JMarkevich</A">http://members.xoom.com/JMarkevich "Every time I think I know where it's at, they move it." - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

hekate＠intergate.bc.ca

03:59

New subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date

I downloaded and build Postilion the other day. If you want a mail program for X, you might want to try it. It seems to dock o.k. and it's quite nice looking. (Especially for WM users.) On Tue, 30 Jun 1998 jonathan@aracnet.net wrote:

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On 30-Jun-98 The Gecko wrote:

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Or maybe Linux should get a contempory mail program. Does not Netscape mail do current mail formats?

<Personal Opinion> I chose not to read HTML-MAIL. I *like* the mail program I use (xfmail) that came with SuSE (well, I d/led an update of it) but it does not decode HTML tags embedded into Email Message. I *hate* netscape mail.

Yes! I also like that I can delete Netscape for room if I want and not lose mail.

I downloaded the update as well, but couldn't get it to run for the life of me. Did you need to get a new XForms library? Every time I ran with the new one installed (1.3), it ran the old one (1.2)

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beamanj＠novaquest.com

06:22

New subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Starting programs/scripts upon booting

Hello all, I have written a few scripts that I would like to run when I boot the machine. I am sure that there is a simple way to do it...but I don't know how. Please help :-) - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

bb＠suse.com

30 Jun 30 Jun

00:34

New subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date

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Forgive me if this is an improper question - but do you have any idea about an approximate release date for 6.0?

The current info is, that there will be a public beta release late in october. I don't know if this beta will be available in the US, probably not. The final release will be late this year, in november or decamber... Ciao, BB -- Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873 bb@suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 <A HREF="http://www.suse.com"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com</A">http://www.suse.com Oakland CA, 94610 USA - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

avi＠bitsmart.com

03:07

Bodo Bauer wrote:

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and bug fixes the day after they release the distribution. Finally, the pamphlet they include with Red Hat is no match for the SuSE book, even if the English is broken in places.

We are working on this. I'm not sure if we'll have a better manual for the 5.3, but the 6.0 manual will definitly be edited by an anerican native english speaker.

If you call our hotline you'll talk with me and as i'M living in the US now, my english will get better too (at least I hope...:)

Bodo, First, it is hard to believe how fast your english improves once you start using it all the time...I know, I went through the same process. More importantly, while the english translation is not perfect I found the Suse manual to be the best in the business (I have experience with RH and Caldera's manuals.) Take care and welcome to the US of A. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Avi Schwartz avi@bitsmart.com - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

tanc＠cuug.ab.ca

26 Jun 26 Jun

05:38

Steve, I know that there is a version of Mathematica for Linux available. For office suite, you may want to take a look at ApplixWare or StarOffice or WordPerfect Office. I have ApplixWare installed on one of my machines for a few users but I don't use it myself -- I use LaTeX. Regards, C. J. Tan On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Steven T. Hatton wrote:

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Howard Arons wrote:

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NOT true, in my (limited, newbie) experience. The manual really pertains, at least in part, to versions older that 5.2. Of equal concern is the quality of the German -> English translation. Sometimes it's just funny but clear, but other times there's no hope of getting the meaning intended.

Technical support is poor to nonexistent, except for the folks (SuSE and others) on this list. Phone support isn't toll free (in the US) and is only available on Tue and Fri. E-mail support has not worked for me 2 out of 2 times.

Howard Arons -- Powered by SuSE Linux 5.2 -- kernel 2.0.33 Communications by Mutt 0.89 -

Howard,

Well, since I am usually the one to be posting about things I don't like, I guess I should take a moment to comment on what I do like. When I first got 5.1, I called the tech support number and found that they were available only during limited hours on Thursday. I bled all over the ppp setup until tech support Thursday. I got through to a guy who's english was almost exactly like that in the book. He got me fixed up and on my way in a matter of minutes. I expect that thier tech support will grow as the company grows. It is important that they grow with an eye toward maintaining quality. I have had other problems that I found overwhelming. These I have directed to this list. For the really important things I have received very good answers, in a timely manner. There are a few smaller issues that have gone unresolved.

I have found that as I learn more about Linux, I find experts here who know that much more than I. It is certainly this list that keeps me on the S.u.S.E. subscription list. I don't mind paying the money for the distribution. I believe it helps S.u.S.E. and Linux grow. If I remember correctly I have been using Linux for four months. I have an NT boot on this system that I rarely use anymore. When I port Mathematica over, and find an office product that is extensively compatible with M$ Office, I may slick the wasted NT partition and put it to good use.

The book could certainly benefit from the hand of a professional tech writer. It has been useful in many instances. I have found a few problems with XFree86, but overall I find this product amazingly well put together. When I find things I don't like I say so. I am nowhere near regretting the money that I have paid to S.u.S.E. I am sure they will improve the product as thier resources grow. If you look at the post I made a few hours before this one and read the stuff on InfoWorld's site, you will see that S.u.S.E. gets a very good thumbs up. This product is a winner and I'm happy to be associated with it.

steve

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fmiller＠lightlink.com

07:21

C. J. Kenneth Tan wrote:

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Steve,

I know that there is a version of Mathematica for Linux available. For office suite, you may want to take a look at ApplixWare or StarOffice or WordPerfect Office. I have ApplixWare installed on one of my machines for a few users but I don't use it myself -- I use LaTeX.

[snip] If you ever use StarOffice, you'll never use anything else again. I bought the distribution......WELL worth it! I'm moving in the direction of removing ALL MS from our systems at work, and StarOffice will replace MS Office. Fred -- Fred A. Miller, Systems Administrator Cornell Univ. Press Services fmiller@lightlink.com fm@cupserv.org - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

northsky＠deckard.coldfish.com.suse.de

20:35

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If you ever use StarOffice, you'll never use anything else again. I bought the distribution......WELL worth it! I'm moving in the direction of removing ALL MS from our systems at work, and StarOffice will replace MS Office. Hmm. I haven't had such luck. I've found StarOffice slow and crash-prone. Twice as slow as MSOffice95 and significantly more crashes. It is just

On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Fred A. Miller wrote: like using Office 98 on a 386 with <=8MB RAM! On a machine with 24, it takes a shamefully long time to load, to even get itself together and start looking for X! It takes up an immense amount of space -- a Microsoft amount of space, and will often stop responding and occasionally just bomb out when I try to perform some given operation. With as much swap as I have, it shouldn't do this at all. I can't even fathom the pain if I were running Enlightenment. - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

lsayre＠integrityonline13.com

22:22

Fred A. Miller wrote:

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C. J. Kenneth Tan wrote:

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Steve,

I know that there is a version of Mathematica for Linux available. For office suite, you may want to take a look at ApplixWare or StarOffice or WordPerfect Office. I have ApplixWare installed on one of my machines for a few users but I don't use it myself -- I use LaTeX.

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If you ever use StarOffice, you'll never use anything else again. I bought the distribution......WELL worth it! I'm moving in the direction of removing ALL MS from our systems at work, and StarOffice will replace MS Office.

Fred

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Is StarOffice 4.0 as slow on yours system as on mine? Granted it works well, but it takes about a minute just for the opening StarOffice screen to show up on my system, which has a Matrox Millenium and a Cyrix P200+ processor. Nothing else is even near as slow. ----------------------------------------------- Man's mind is his basic tool of survival! Lawrence Sayre ----------------------------------------------- - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Lawrence Sayre wrote:

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Is StarOffice 4.0 as slow on yours system as on mine? Granted it works well, but it takes about a minute just for the opening StarOffice screen to show up on my system, which has a Matrox Millenium and a Cyrix P200+ processor. Nothing else is even near as slow.

OK..I have the following hardware presently: AMD-K6 300Mhz CPU 192megs PC-100 ram Seagte Baracuda 4.1gig SCSI Adapetc 2940UW Matrox Millenium I 8meg (Accelx 3.1) StarOffice 4.0 loaded the splash screen in 6 seconds and came up with the full screen in 13 seconds. This after I had opened it earlier today and it much longer the first time. Regards -Dee W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=- deem@wdm.com No claim to fame, just saved by Grace. - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

punt＠gte.net

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Well, I agree. Star Office is slow on my machine (AMD 200K6, IBM ultra Wide SCSI drive with adaptec 2940 UW. Applixware is significantly faster, plus prints to my printer (Star only does PS, yea I know I can configure gs or aspfilter, but I don't have to do anything for Applixware for my DJ-550c)!

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Is StarOffice 4.0 as slow on yours system as on mine? Granted it works well, but it takes about a minute just for the opening StarOffice screen to show up on my system, which has a Matrox Millenium and a Cyrix P200+ processor. Nothing else is even near as slow.

W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=- deem@wdm.com No claim to fame, just saved by Grace.

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On 26/06/98, 22:22:17, Lawrence Sayre wrote regarding Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] What does SuSE stand for?:

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Is StarOffice 4.0 as slow on yours system as on mine? Granted it works well, but it takes about a minute just for the opening StarOffice screen to show up on my system, which has a Matrox Millenium and a Cyrix P200+ processor. Nothing else is even near as slow.

I just timed the launch of Soffice on my PP200MMX w/128MB RAM and a 9ms screaming EIDE matrox HD. It took ~18 seconds. I had a lot of problems with this product when I was using it to write a rather long paper. The biggest problem was figuring out how to use it. The help files are rather cryptic. Another problem I had was with the wysiwyg fonts. I recently applied the sp3 to my install and have not had that problem since. There was the dreaded PS/2 bug that seems to have been fixed. Another big PITA was that the indices for TOC, index, and page numbering quite often got mixed up. There are some nice features in this product. As a mater of fact I am writing this mail with Soffice. I'm not sold or unsold on it. I like the approach the company uses toward development and support. They are a bit weak on follow-through, at least on the English side. There seems to be no documentation on the product written in English. The cross platform nature of the product is VERY attractive. I guess one can get that with WP as well. I believe that Applex is also cross platform. I ran the test version of Applex for a while. It seemed pretty well put together. The drawing tool was really sweet. I am not really sure where to invest my efforts as far as office suites go in Linux. I like Soffice and I hope it continues to grow. Linux users certainly can't beat the price. Steve - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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