[SLE] Re: It is outrageous...
I am curious as to how you can afford the most expensive version of the Windows OS ever to come out of Redmond, but you can't afford to download a free copy of any Linux ditro? JLK alann lopes wrote:
Relax my friend.. You're interpreting this incorrectly. You can connect to our Webcast with any recent version of Windows Media Player that you can get to run on any Mac or PC. Also, I love Linux and as soon as I have a chance and funds will setup an RA server so that the Linux community can also view our Webcast. For the time being this all I have the time and funds to provide.
alann
that you allow a connection only for W2K or IMac PC's to the streaming media at http://www.earthkam.ucsd.edu/~alopes/Webcast.html Users of other operating systems pay taxes too, you know, and much more than Bill Gates, who probably gets total write-offs. We also vote and until the Marxist turn this country into a one-party dictatorship let's at least have a semblence of fair play.
IMac has a very low market share and W2K isn't to be released until tomorrow, the 17th! Don't you want anyone to see what is happening?
What about a RealPlayer connection for Win95 or Linux? Let's level the playing field and stop allowing the 800 lb gorrilla to dictate terms.
Jerry Kreps 521 West Garber Avenue Lincoln, NE 68521
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Perhaps you don't realize that RA servers cost money, more money in fact than a WM server? Even if the prices were EQUAL, there is a much greater customer-satisfaction return with WM, since I've yet to fire up RealPlayer without it saying "Hey, there's an update and I can't play without it". That must happen like twice a week, so if you had to choose one, even if it costs MORE, WM is the route to go from a customer-satisfaction standpoint. D At 04:07 PM 2/17/00 -0600, Jerry L Kreps wrote:
I am curious as to how you can afford the most expensive version of the Windows OS ever to come out of Redmond, but you can't afford to download a free copy of any Linux ditro? JLK
alann lopes wrote:
Relax my friend.. You're interpreting this incorrectly. You can connect to our Webcast with any recent version of Windows Media Player that you can get to run on any Mac or PC. Also, I love Linux and as soon as I have a chance and funds will setup an RA server so that the Linux community can also view our Webcast. For the time being this all I have the time and funds to provide.
alann
that you allow a connection only for W2K or IMac PC's to the streaming media at http://www.earthkam.ucsd.edu/~alopes/Webcast.html Users of other operating systems pay taxes too, you know, and much more than Bill Gates, who probably gets total write-offs. We also vote and until the Marxist turn this country into a one-party dictatorship let's at least have a semblence of fair play.
IMac has a very low market share and W2K isn't to be released until tomorrow, the 17th! Don't you want anyone to see what is happening?
What about a RealPlayer connection for Win95 or Linux? Let's level the playing field and stop allowing the 800 lb gorrilla to dictate terms.
Jerry Kreps 521 West Garber Avenue Lincoln, NE 68521
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Hi Derek, I am well aware of Microsoft's attack on RealPlayer, modeled after their attack on Netscape. Another tatic to monopolize the internet, just like they monopolized the OS. I, for one, don't want to see M$ make the Internet their propriatary domain by default. If Alan were serious about leveling the playing field he could make his plight known and ask for dontations to create an RA server. I'd dontate. Wouldn't you? JLK "Derek J. Balling" wrote:
Perhaps you don't realize that RA servers cost money, more money in fact than a WM server?
Even if the prices were EQUAL, there is a much greater customer-satisfaction return with WM, since I've yet to fire up RealPlayer without it saying "Hey, there's an update and I can't play without it". That must happen like twice a week, so if you had to choose one, even if it costs MORE, WM is the route to go from a customer-satisfaction standpoint.
D
At 04:07 PM 2/17/00 -0600, Jerry L Kreps wrote:
I am curious as to how you can afford the most expensive version of the Windows OS ever to come out of Redmond, but you can't afford to download a free copy of any Linux ditro? JLK
alann lopes wrote:
Relax my friend.. You're interpreting this incorrectly. You can connect to our Webcast with any recent version of Windows Media Player that you can get to run on any Mac or PC. Also, I love Linux and as soon as I have a chance and funds will setup an RA server so that the Linux community can also view our Webcast. For the time being this all I have the time and funds to provide.
alann
that you allow a connection only for W2K or IMac PC's to the streaming media at http://www.earthkam.ucsd.edu/~alopes/Webcast.html Users of other operating systems pay taxes too, you know, and much more than Bill Gates, who probably gets total write-offs. We also vote and until the Marxist turn this country into a one-party dictatorship let's at least have a semblence of fair play.
IMac has a very low market share and W2K isn't to be released until tomorrow, the 17th! Don't you want anyone to see what is happening?
What about a RealPlayer connection for Win95 or Linux? Let's level the playing field and stop allowing the 800 lb gorrilla to dictate terms.
Jerry Kreps 521 West Garber Avenue Lincoln, NE 68521
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At 05:14 PM 2/17/00 -0600, Jerry L Kreps wrote:
I am well aware of Microsoft's attack on RealPlayer, modeled after their attack on Netscape. Another tatic to monopolize the internet, just like they monopolized the OS.
There's no "attack" on RealPlayer here actually. Fact -- RealNetworks makes their application the least user-friendly thing on the planet by constantly making it insist on upgrading itself. Fact -- RealNetworks has, from what I have been hearing, significantly increased their licensing costs over past years. I hate MS as much as the next guy, but if RealNetworks wants to put both barrels in their mouth and pull the trigger, that's their own business, and no fault of Microsoft's.
I, for one, don't want to see M$ make the Internet their propriatary domain by default. If Alan were serious about leveling the playing field he could make his plight known and ask for dontations to create an RA server. I'd dontate. Wouldn't you?
RealNetworks --- Proprietary Media Format Windows Media Player --- Proprietary Media Format Both are equally villainous in this situation, Jerry, just that Microsoft is smart enough NOT to commit economic suicide the way RealNetworks seems to be trying to. And no, actually, I wouldn't donate. I'd point out that there are streaming-MPEG standards out there, and that those are what should be used instead of a proprietary protocol. D -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
Just to add a little information to this string of comments, I read an article in Newsweek (I think) in December of 99. The article talked about all of the things that M$ owns or has a large part of (Control w/o us knowing). In this long list was: "Real Networks" M$ either owns the company or they have a big chunk of it. So it would seem that there is no compition at all, there is just another plan by M$ to control things... Robert On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Derek J. Balling wrote:
At 05:14 PM 2/17/00 -0600, Jerry L Kreps wrote:
I am well aware of Microsoft's attack on RealPlayer, modeled after their attack on Netscape. Another tatic to monopolize the internet, just like they monopolized the OS.
There's no "attack" on RealPlayer here actually.
Fact -- RealNetworks makes their application the least user-friendly thing on the planet by constantly making it insist on upgrading itself.
Fact -- RealNetworks has, from what I have been hearing, significantly increased their licensing costs over past years.
I hate MS as much as the next guy, but if RealNetworks wants to put both barrels in their mouth and pull the trigger, that's their own business, and no fault of Microsoft's.
I, for one, don't want to see M$ make the Internet their propriatary domain by default. If Alan were serious about leveling the playing field he could make his plight known and ask for dontations to create an RA server. I'd dontate. Wouldn't you?
RealNetworks --- Proprietary Media Format Windows Media Player --- Proprietary Media Format
Both are equally villainous in this situation, Jerry, just that Microsoft is smart enough NOT to commit economic suicide the way RealNetworks seems to be trying to.
And no, actually, I wouldn't donate. I'd point out that there are streaming-MPEG standards out there, and that those are what should be used instead of a proprietary protocol.
D
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Interesting, Robert! M$ also seems to have a stake in Apple, hence QuickTime. How do you spell monoply, children? JLK Robert Lyons wrote:
Just to add a little information to this string of comments, I read an article in Newsweek (I think) in December of 99. The article talked about all of the things that M$ owns or has a large part of (Control w/o us knowing). In this long list was:
"Real Networks"
M$ either owns the company or they have a big chunk of it. So it would seem that there is no compition at all, there is just another plan by M$ to control things...
Robert
On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Derek J. Balling wrote:
At 05:14 PM 2/17/00 -0600, Jerry L Kreps wrote:
I am well aware of Microsoft's attack on RealPlayer, modeled after their attack on Netscape. Another tatic to monopolize the internet, just like they monopolized the OS.
There's no "attack" on RealPlayer here actually.
Fact -- RealNetworks makes their application the least user-friendly thing on the planet by constantly making it insist on upgrading itself.
Fact -- RealNetworks has, from what I have been hearing, significantly increased their licensing costs over past years.
I hate MS as much as the next guy, but if RealNetworks wants to put both barrels in their mouth and pull the trigger, that's their own business, and no fault of Microsoft's.
I, for one, don't want to see M$ make the Internet their propriatary domain by default. If Alan were serious about leveling the playing field he could make his plight known and ask for dontations to create an RA server. I'd dontate. Wouldn't you?
RealNetworks --- Proprietary Media Format Windows Media Player --- Proprietary Media Format
Both are equally villainous in this situation, Jerry, just that Microsoft is smart enough NOT to commit economic suicide the way RealNetworks seems to be trying to.
And no, actually, I wouldn't donate. I'd point out that there are streaming-MPEG standards out there, and that those are what should be used instead of a proprietary protocol.
D
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On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Jerry L Kreps wrote:
Interesting, Robert!
M$ also seems to have a stake in Apple, hence QuickTime. How do you spell monoply, children? JLK
This is ridiculous. M$ has a less than 1% stame in Apple. And M$ hates QT. No conspiracy theory here. In fact QuickTime Streaming Server is Open Source, supports rtp/rtsp ieee standards and has an open media format. I agree M$ is pretty close to evil. But you're going overboard when you imply they control Apple. -mab
Robert Lyons wrote:
Just to add a little information to this string of comments, I read an article in Newsweek (I think) in December of 99. The article talked about all of the things that M$ owns or has a large part of (Control w/o us knowing). In this long list was:
"Real Networks"
M$ either owns the company or they have a big chunk of it. So it would seem that there is no compition at all, there is just another plan by M$ to control things...
Robert
On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Derek J. Balling wrote:
At 05:14 PM 2/17/00 -0600, Jerry L Kreps wrote:
I am well aware of Microsoft's attack on RealPlayer, modeled after their attack on Netscape. Another tatic to monopolize the internet, just like they monopolized the OS.
There's no "attack" on RealPlayer here actually.
Fact -- RealNetworks makes their application the least user-friendly thing on the planet by constantly making it insist on upgrading itself.
Fact -- RealNetworks has, from what I have been hearing, significantly increased their licensing costs over past years.
I hate MS as much as the next guy, but if RealNetworks wants to put both barrels in their mouth and pull the trigger, that's their own business, and no fault of Microsoft's.
I, for one, don't want to see M$ make the Internet their propriatary domain by default. If Alan were serious about leveling the playing field he could make his plight known and ask for dontations to create an RA server. I'd dontate. Wouldn't you?
RealNetworks --- Proprietary Media Format Windows Media Player --- Proprietary Media Format
Both are equally villainous in this situation, Jerry, just that Microsoft is smart enough NOT to commit economic suicide the way RealNetworks seems to be trying to.
And no, actually, I wouldn't donate. I'd point out that there are streaming-MPEG standards out there, and that those are what should be used instead of a proprietary protocol.
D
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Michael Bartosh wrote:
On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Jerry L Kreps wrote:
Interesting, Robert!
M$ also seems to have a stake in Apple, hence QuickTime. How do you spell monoply, children? JLK
This is ridiculous. M$ has a less than 1% stame in Apple. And M$ hates QT. No conspiracy theory here. In fact QuickTime Streaming Server is Open Source, supports rtp/rtsp ieee standards and has an open media format.
I agree M$ is pretty close to evil. But you're going overboard when you imply they control Apple.
I used the word 'stake', not control. But neither you nor I know how much influence Bill Gates' $150M+ has had/is having in Apple's game plan. It may not be as much as I think it is but it certainly is not as little as you seem to imply. And the monopoly has already been proven in court. BTW, QuickTime is not open souce. Another streamer, called Darwin, is open source. And, even though it is supposed 'based' on QuickTime, we have no knowledge as to how broad that base is, since QuickTime code is propriatary. http://www.publicsource.apple.com/projects/streaming/
-mab
Robert Lyons wrote:
Just to add a little information to this string of comments, I read an article in Newsweek (I think) in December of 99. The article talked about all of the things that M$ owns or has a large part of (Control w/o us knowing). In this long list was:
"Real Networks"
M$ either owns the company or they have a big chunk of it. So it would seem that there is no compition at all, there is just another plan by M$ to control things...
Robert
On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Derek J. Balling wrote:
At 05:14 PM 2/17/00 -0600, Jerry L Kreps wrote:
I am well aware of Microsoft's attack on RealPlayer, modeled after their attack on Netscape. Another tatic to monopolize the internet, just like they monopolized the OS.
There's no "attack" on RealPlayer here actually.
Fact -- RealNetworks makes their application the least user-friendly thing on the planet by constantly making it insist on upgrading itself.
Fact -- RealNetworks has, from what I have been hearing, significantly increased their licensing costs over past years.
I hate MS as much as the next guy, but if RealNetworks wants to put both barrels in their mouth and pull the trigger, that's their own business, and no fault of Microsoft's.
I, for one, don't want to see M$ make the Internet their propriatary domain by default. If Alan were serious about leveling the playing field he could make his plight known and ask for dontations to create an RA server. I'd dontate. Wouldn't you?
RealNetworks --- Proprietary Media Format Windows Media Player --- Proprietary Media Format
Both are equally villainous in this situation, Jerry, just that Microsoft is smart enough NOT to commit economic suicide the way RealNetworks seems to be trying to.
And no, actually, I wouldn't donate. I'd point out that there are streaming-MPEG standards out there, and that those are what should be used instead of a proprietary protocol.
D
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Actually I have contracted with Apple recently, and probably know a lot more about QTSS's roots than you think. More I cannot say, but I can say this: If you don't htink QTSS= Darwin Streamin Server then perhaps you should read the documentation a little better. Or perhaps you should sit at an OS X Server machine and compile it and compare the binaries. Or perhaps you should read the APSL. In fact if QTSS /doesn't/ = Darwin than Apple could be held legally accountable for breaking their own license. Sure M$'s monopoly has been proven in court. But the original poster was referring specifically to a situation where only QT and RP were supported- as if QT has a thing in the world to do with M$'s monopoly, other than signifigantly weakening it in the streaming media space (and practically preventing it in the desktop media space). And I can assure you that M$'s financial stake has virtually nothing to do with the influence they probably have with Apple. In fact I could name 5 or 6 acquaintences of mine that when put together have a slightly larger stake in Apple than MS. MS's influence over Apple centers around the fact that if Office were not produced for the MAc, Apple would face a huge challenge to their survuval. This is way OT. Whatever. I'm done. But I suggest you examine the situation first hand before you comment out of hand about something you have not personally dealt with. -mab On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Jerry L Kreps wrote:
Michael Bartosh wrote:
On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Jerry L Kreps wrote:
Interesting, Robert!
M$ also seems to have a stake in Apple, hence QuickTime. How do you spell monoply, children? JLK
This is ridiculous. M$ has a less than 1% stame in Apple. And M$ hates QT. No conspiracy theory here. In fact QuickTime Streaming Server is Open Source, supports rtp/rtsp ieee standards and has an open media format.
I agree M$ is pretty close to evil. But you're going overboard when you imply they control Apple.
I used the word 'stake', not control. But neither you nor I know how much influence Bill Gates' $150M+ has had/is having in Apple's game plan. It may not be as much as I think it is but it certainly is not as little as you seem to imply. And the monopoly has already been proven in court.
BTW, QuickTime is not open souce. Another streamer, called Darwin, is open source. And, even though it is supposed 'based' on QuickTime, we have no knowledge as to how broad that base is, since QuickTime code is propriatary. http://www.publicsource.apple.com/projects/streaming/
-mab
Robert Lyons wrote:
Just to add a little information to this string of comments, I read an article in Newsweek (I think) in December of 99. The article talked about all of the things that M$ owns or has a large part of (Control w/o us knowing). In this long list was:
"Real Networks"
M$ either owns the company or they have a big chunk of it. So it would seem that there is no compition at all, there is just another plan by M$ to control things...
Robert
On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Derek J. Balling wrote:
At 05:14 PM 2/17/00 -0600, Jerry L Kreps wrote:
I am well aware of Microsoft's attack on RealPlayer, modeled after their attack on Netscape. Another tatic to monopolize the internet, just like they monopolized the OS.
There's no "attack" on RealPlayer here actually.
Fact -- RealNetworks makes their application the least user-friendly thing on the planet by constantly making it insist on upgrading itself.
Fact -- RealNetworks has, from what I have been hearing, significantly increased their licensing costs over past years.
I hate MS as much as the next guy, but if RealNetworks wants to put both barrels in their mouth and pull the trigger, that's their own business, and no fault of Microsoft's.
I, for one, don't want to see M$ make the Internet their propriatary domain by default. If Alan were serious about leveling the playing field he could make his plight known and ask for dontations to create an RA server. I'd dontate. Wouldn't you?
RealNetworks --- Proprietary Media Format Windows Media Player --- Proprietary Media Format
Both are equally villainous in this situation, Jerry, just that Microsoft is smart enough NOT to commit economic suicide the way RealNetworks seems to be trying to.
And no, actually, I wouldn't donate. I'd point out that there are streaming-MPEG standards out there, and that those are what should be used instead of a proprietary protocol.
D
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Michael Bartosh wrote:
Actually I have contracted with Apple recently, and probably know a lot more about QTSS's roots than you think. More I cannot say, but I can say this:
If you don't htink QTSS= Darwin Streamin Server then perhaps you should read the documentation a little better. Or perhaps you should sit at an OS X Server machine and compile it and compare the binaries. Or perhaps you should read the APSL. In fact if QTSS /doesn't/ = Darwin than Apple could be held legally accountable for breaking their own license.
Thanks for the insider information, and for clearing me up on this.
Sure M$'s monopoly has been proven in court. But the original poster was referring specifically to a situation where only QT and RP were supported- as if QT has a thing in the world to do with M$'s monopoly, other than signifigantly weakening it in the streaming media space (and practically preventing it in the desktop media space).
I was the orginal poster, and my concern was that access to the streaming data was only available via QT or M$. But, like I said, thanks for setting me straight on this matter.
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It's not just a matter of the cost of the OS... The RA server is not cheap... I plan to try to get RA to donate a server to the EarthKAM project... I really feel bad that I'm excluding the Linux community, especially since I've been using Linux since the late 80s and truly LOVE what it stands for... However, I was able to put this WMP server together for the $99 cost of a Happaugue WinTV card... Every other piece of equipment in this Webcast has been donated to the EarthKAM project. EarthKAM lives mostly by corporate donations. If it wasn't for the generosity the companies like Sun, 3Com, Intel, IBM, just to mention a few, EarthKAM would not exist... It's sometimes challenging to say the least, fortunately many people believe in what EarthKAM is doing. We now have engaged over 10,000 students in classrooms around the world and we will continue to expand once we get our camera in the International Space Station. The fact that EarthKAM can excite young minds around the world to do science is what keeps me going... It's certainly NOT because of my salary!!! So I do the best I can the cheapest way I can with what we can get donated... Once again, I apologize for excluding the Linux community from the EarthKAM webcast, but I promise that I will do my best to have an alternative by EarthKAM's next mission. Thank you all very much for your support -- alann
I am curious as to how you can afford the most expensive version of the Windows OS ever to come out of Redmond, but you can't afford to download a free copy of any Linux ditro? JLK
alann lopes wrote:
Relax my friend.. You're interpreting this incorrectly. You can connect to our Webcast with any recent version of Windows Media Player that you can get to run on any Mac or PC. Also, I love Linux and as soon as I have a chance and funds will setup an RA server so that the Linux community can also view our Webcast. For the time being this all I have the time and funds to provide.
alann
that you allow a connection only for W2K or IMac PC's to the streaming media at http://www.earthkam.ucsd.edu/~alopes/Webcast.html Users of other operating systems pay taxes too, you know, and much more than Bill Gates, who probably gets total write-offs. We also vote and until the Marxist turn this country into a one-party dictatorship let's at least have a semblence of fair play.
IMac has a very low market share and W2K isn't to be released until tomorrow, the 17th! Don't you want anyone to see what is happening?
What about a RealPlayer connection for Win95 or Linux? Let's level the playing field and stop allowing the 800 lb gorrilla to dictate terms.
Jerry Kreps 521 West Garber Avenue Lincoln, NE 68521
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