[SLE] SuSE 7 Deluxe = Professional
To add to the confusion or perhaps to help relieve it: After looking up SuSE's German home page which explains in detail the contents of the new 7.0, my reading of this is the following: 1. The Professional version is what people here on the list have been referring to as "DeLuxe". It seems to be the same type of distribution that we have so far been getting, i.e., a 6-CD pack with lots of "stuff" (most of which I never actually used). 2. The Personal version is a scaled down one. The main differences seem to be: the professional version has KDE 2.0 (beta) whereas the personal version has still 1.1.2. This seems odd as I would have expected the professional version to go with a more tried and true system rather than the bleedign edge. Other stuff that the personal version does not include is: video conferencing software, LDAP server, server tools, auto installer, development tools, Java 2, beowulf clustering, and the know-how handbook. Indeed, probably most of this stuff is unnecessary for the casual home user. 3. The German web site also lists the new software that ends up in 7.0 compared to the 6.4 version. Unfortunately, it is not entirely clear which of the new packets make it into the Personal and the Professional versions. Best regards, Alex. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
there is a table on the .de site that lists the differences between personel/professional: http://www.suse.de/de/produkte/susesoft/linux/pers_vs_prof.html -- michael On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Alex Angerhofer wrote:
To add to the confusion or perhaps to help relieve it:
After looking up SuSE's German home page which explains in detail the contents of the new 7.0, my reading of this is the following:
1. The Professional version is what people here on the list have been referring to as "DeLuxe". It seems to be the same type of distribution that we have so far been getting, i.e., a 6-CD pack with lots of "stuff" (most of which I never actually used). 2. The Personal version is a scaled down one. The main differences seem to be: the professional version has KDE 2.0 (beta) whereas the personal version has still 1.1.2. This seems odd as I would have expected the professional version to go with a more tried and true system rather than the bleedign edge. Other stuff that the personal version does not include is: video conferencing software, LDAP server, server tools, auto installer, development tools, Java 2, beowulf clustering, and the know-how handbook. Indeed, probably most of this stuff is unnecessary for the casual home user. 3. The German web site also lists the new software that ends up in 7.0 compared to the 6.4 version. Unfortunately, it is not entirely clear which of the new packets make it into the Personal and the Professional versions.
Best regards, Alex.
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From my use of SuSE 6.4 i386, I believe that they go to a lot of trouble in maintaining their distribution, and writing YAST/YAST2 etc. I find
Hi all, Michael's link to the SuSE information was extremely useful. I believe that what SuSE are doing in splitting up the distribution into a personal & professional version is actually a very good thing. I believe that as the Linux OS begins to enter the mainstream, that this distinction will clearly become evident. The personal user will still get good value for money, with not too excessive documentation, while the professional user will be getting additional documentation and packages + additional support. these tools invaluable on my workstation - as a central manipulation centre. I rarely need to move into the configuration files themselves. It seems that many of the personal users are more concerned about price, and less on service - whilst the profesional user is more concerned about getting the system installed and working as smoothly, and quickly, as possible - ie. service... I believe that the SuSE distribution prices are still extremely reasonable - especially when compared to MS and Redhat (my goodness - why on earth does RedHat charge so much - I have not actually been that impressed with their distribution - SuSE is far more organised... and complete...) Anyway - just a few thoughts and my perspectives... I will continue to support SuSE as long as they continue to provide excellent distributions. Best regards, Des Aubery... (adTherm Technologies, East London, E.Cape, South Africa) Michael Galloway wrote:
there is a table on the .de site that lists the differences between personel/professional:
http://www.suse.de/de/produkte/susesoft/linux/pers_vs_prof.html
-- michael
On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Alex Angerhofer wrote:
To add to the confusion or perhaps to help relieve it:
After looking up SuSE's German home page which explains in detail the contents of the new 7.0, my reading of this is the following:
1. The Professional version is what people here on the list have been referring to as "DeLuxe". It seems to be the same type of distribution that we have so far been getting, i.e., a 6-CD pack with lots of "stuff" (most of which I never actually used). 2. The Personal version is a scaled down one. The main differences seem to be: the professional version has KDE 2.0 (beta) whereas the personal version has still 1.1.2. This seems odd as I would have expected the professional version to go with a more tried and true system rather than the bleedign edge. Other stuff that the personal version does not include is: video conferencing software, LDAP server, server tools, auto installer, development tools, Java 2, beowulf clustering, and the know-how handbook. Indeed, probably most of this stuff is unnecessary for the casual home user. 3. The German web site also lists the new software that ends up in 7.0 compared to the 6.4 version. Unfortunately, it is not entirely clear which of the new packets make it into the Personal and the Professional versions.
Best regards, Alex.
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Hi, On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Des Aubery wrote:
I believe that what SuSE are doing in splitting up the distribution into a personal & professional version is actually a very good thing.
Well, it was a tough decision - thanks for your support :)
It seems that many of the personal users are more concerned about price, and less on service - whilst the profesional user is more concerned about getting the system installed and working as smoothly, and quickly, as possible - ie. service...
I believe that the SuSE distribution prices are still extremely reasonable - especially when compared to MS and Redhat (my goodness - why on earth does RedHat charge so much - I have not actually been that impressed with their distribution - SuSE is far more organised... and complete...)
And I would also like to add, that the price of the SuSE distibution has been _constant_ for more than 4 years now (IIRC), even though we added new packages (until we hit the 6 CD limit) and also improved the documentation with each release. Bye, LenZ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Lenz Grimmer SuSE GmbH mailto:grimmer@suse.de Schanzaeckerstr. 10 http://www.suse.de/~grimmer/ 90443 Nuernberg, Germany With foxes we must play the fox. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
I would like to say that the SuSE distro is my favorite and if the price goes up a little I wont mind. I know that even though a lot of the packages are free for download off the internet. It isn't free to compile them, make sure they don't conflict with existing packages and make sure the dependencies are installed when a package is installed. I enjoy this added benifit that SuSE has worked hard to provide. I also don't mind paying so that I can support SuSE. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
"David Trotz" <dtrotzjr@inreach.com> wrote:
I would like to say that the SuSE distro is my favorite and if the price goes up a little I wont mind. I know that even though a lot of the packages are free for download off the internet. It isn't free to compile them, make sure they don't conflict with existing packages and make sure the dependencies are installed when a package is installed. I enjoy this added benifit that SuSE has worked hard to provide. I also don't mind paying so that I can support SuSE.
Yes, I agree wholeheartedly. Looking forward to another great version soon. /Dee -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
On Tue, 01 Aug 2000, you wrote:
"David Trotz" <dtrotzjr@inreach.com> wrote:
I would like to say that the SuSE distro is my favorite and if the price goes up a little I wont mind. I know that even though a lot of the packages are free for download off the internet. It isn't free to compile them, make sure they don't conflict with existing packages and make sure the dependencies are installed when a package is installed. I enjoy this added benifit that SuSE has worked hard to provide. I also don't mind paying so that I can support SuSE.
Yes, I agree wholeheartedly. Looking forward to another great version soon.
I also agree. But with some reservations. With the old versions there was no doubt as to what I would buy. Now I have a decision to make. To buy the personal, or the pro version.. Hmmmmmm. Heads it's personal, Tails it's pro... Darn, that didn't work, even with best two out of three.... Now where's that dartboard..... Mike -- -------------------------------------------------------- for a great linux portal try http://www.freezer-burn.org home: http://www.an-netz.de/home/bcomber -------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Yup I agree... Even with our falling Aussie dollar it is still cheap. I don't have time to test all this stuff and download it and put it all together on CD erc. I trust SuSE to do that for me and and since 6.1 they haven't let me down. Even if the price doubled it would still be great value and still cheaper then Windows 2K. Chris On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:03:17 -0800 (AKDT), W.D.McKinney wrote:
"David Trotz" <dtrotzjr@inreach.com> wrote:
I would like to say that the SuSE distro is my favorite and if the price goes up a little I wont mind. I know that even though a lot of the packages are free for download off the internet. It isn't free to compile them, make sure they don't conflict with existing packages and make sure the dependencies are installed when a package is installed. I enjoy this added benifit that SuSE has worked hard to provide. I also don't mind paying so that I can support SuSE.
Yes, I agree wholeheartedly. Looking forward to another great version soon.
/Dee
<FONT COLOR=000000 DEFAULT="COLOR"><FONT FACE="Arial" DEFAULT="FACE"><FONT SIZE="2" POINTSIZE="10" DEFAULT="SIZE">Yup I agree... Even with our falling Aussie dollar it is still cheap. I don't have time to test all this stuff and download it and put it all together on CD erc. I trust SuSE to do that for me and and since 6.1 they haven't let me down. Even if the price doubled it would still be great value and still cheaper then Windows 2K. Chris On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:03:17 -0800 (AKDT), W.D.McKinney wrote:
"David Trotz" <<FONT COLOR=0000ff><U>dtrotzjr@inreach.com<FONT COLOR=000000 DEFAULT="COLOR"></U>> wrote:
I would like to say that the SuSE distro is my favorite and if the price goes up a little I wont mind. I know that even though a lot of the packages are free for download off the internet. It isn't free to compile them, make sure they don't conflict with existing packages and make sure the dependencies are installed when a package is installed. I enjoy this added benifit that SuSE has worked hard to provide. I also don't mind paying so that I can support SuSE.
Yes, I agree wholeheartedly. Looking forward to another great version soon.
/Dee
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Mike wrote:
I also agree. But with some reservations. With the old versions there was no doubt as to what I would buy. Now I have a decision to make. To buy the personal, or the pro version.. Hmmmmmm. Heads it's personal, Tails it's pro... Darn, that didn't work, even with best two out of three.... Now where's that dartboard.....
You'd probably want the upgrade version, which is the prof. edition with no manuals. -- Michael Hasenstein http://www.suse.de/~mha/ SuSE Linux AG, Nuernberg (Germany) SuSE Inc., Oakland, California (US) -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
On Tue, 01 Aug 2000, you wrote:
Mike wrote:
I also agree. But with some reservations. With the old versions there was no doubt as to what I would buy. Now I have a decision to make. To buy the personal, or the pro version.. Hmmmmmm. Heads it's personal, Tails it's pro... Darn, that didn't work, even with best two out of three.... Now where's that dartboard.....
You'd probably want the upgrade version, which is the prof. edition with no manuals.
See, now you've added one more choice. ;-))Hows a guy every going to get it right?? If the upgrade is available in the states, I'll probably do that. If not, I do know where your office is.. ;-)) Mike -- -------------------------------------------------------- for a great linux portal try http://www.freezer-burn.org home: http://www.an-netz.de/home/bcomber -------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Michael Hasenstein wrote:
Mike wrote:
You'd probably want the upgrade version, which is the prof. edition with no manuals.
-- Michael Hasenstein http://www.suse.de/~mha/
I cut my Linux teeth on SuSE over three years ago, and over that timeframe I just keep coming back to SuSE, having tried out every other distro out there. SuSE has consistently not only improved their product but, moreso than other distros, seems to keep a trained eye on quality control and stability for the overall package. I've built boxen that Windows couldn't run properly on, I've recently tried Mandrake again (7.1) and the graphical install just kept freezing up (not to mention the fact that many apps seem to run unstable on a carefully configured Athlon box), and in all cases, with every box I've built, SuSE ran like a dream. Not to say there isn't some self-configuration involved, but that's to be expected with any distro and that's what brought most of us to Linux in the first place. What I've always enjoyed about SuSE is that the configuration tools and scripts are logically structured and well-documented (well, maybe I've grown accustomed to YaST ;-)....YaST2 just doesn't thrill me yet); I've really never ran into a problem that I couldn't solve by reading the documentation or asking on this list or just poking around til I fixed it. I like the idea of an upgrade package for the Professional version...just what those of us who *have* to buy every version have been looking for. We probably have too many manuals anyway (time to recycle!), so why not save some trees?? ;-) Looking forward to the Professional upgrade version here in the States. Thanks again, SuSE! Tom Snell -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
But one VERY important question, that I think that most of you forgot ? When could we expect a SuSE 7.0 (Personal or Professional) to be released to buy it ? August ? September ? Eduardo. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
At 09:53 AM 8/1/00 +0200, Des Aubery wrote:
Hi all,
Michael's link to the SuSE information was extremely useful.
I believe that what SuSE are doing in splitting up the distribution into a personal & professional version is actually a very good thing.
I believe that as the Linux OS begins to enter the mainstream, that this distinction will clearly become evident. The personal user will still get good value for money, with not too excessive documentation, while the professional user will be getting additional documentation and packages + additional support.
From my use of SuSE 6.4 i386, I believe that they go to a lot of trouble in maintaining their distribution, and writing YAST/YAST2 etc. I find these tools invaluable on my workstation - as a central manipulation centre. I rarely need to move into the configuration files themselves.
It seems that many of the personal users are more concerned about price, and less on service - whilst the profesional user is more concerned about getting the system installed and working as smoothly, and quickly, as possible - ie. service...
Yeah you right, but eliminating some books on the personal edition is not too good for me, because actually those who use personnal edition will be those who need more documentation and not vice versa. For example, in RedHat Standard 6.2, RedHat only bundled it with one book (installation guide), and not with the reference and getting started guide. I believe the one who need reference and getting started guide will be those who are new users, and not the proffesional users, and new users will be likely those who buy the standard edition. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Hi, On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Alex Angerhofer wrote:
To add to the confusion or perhaps to help relieve it:
After looking up SuSE's German home page which explains in detail the contents of the new 7.0, my reading of this is the following:
1. The Professional version is what people here on the list have been referring to as "DeLuxe". It seems to be the same type of distribution that we have so far been getting, i.e., a 6-CD pack with lots of "stuff" (most of which I never actually used).
Yes, exactly.
2. The Personal version is a scaled down one. The main differences seem to be: the professional version has KDE 2.0 (beta) whereas the personal version has still 1.1.2. This seems odd as I would have expected the professional version to go with a more tried and true system rather than the bleedign edge.
In fact, the Professional version ships both, KDE 1.1.2 _and_ 2.0 (beta).
Other stuff that the personal version does not include is: video conferencing software, LDAP server, server tools, auto installer, development tools, Java 2, beowulf clustering, and the know-how handbook. Indeed, probably most of this stuff is unnecessary for the casual home user.
Yes, the Personal edition contains less packages so the newbie won't be too confused.
3. The German web site also lists the new software that ends up in 7.0 compared to the 6.4 version. Unfortunately, it is not entirely clear which of the new packets make it into the Personal and the Professional versions.
I will ask the marketing people, if they can add a detailed list of packages for the personal edition as well. Bye, LenZ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Lenz Grimmer SuSE GmbH mailto:grimmer@suse.de Schanzaeckerstr. 10 http://www.suse.de/~grimmer/ 90443 Nuernberg, Germany With foxes we must play the fox. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Surely KDE 2.0 is what we'd all want, I know I do. Mike On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Alex Angerhofer wrote:
To add to the confusion or perhaps to help relieve it:
After looking up SuSE's German home page which explains in detail the contents of the new 7.0, my reading of this is the following:
1. The Professional version is what people here on the list have been referring to as "DeLuxe". It seems to be the same type of distribution that we have so far been getting, i.e., a 6-CD pack with lots of "stuff" (most of which I never actually used). 2. The Personal version is a scaled down one. The main differences seem to be: the professional version has KDE 2.0 (beta) whereas the personal version has still 1.1.2. This seems odd as I would have expected the professional version to go with a more tried and true system rather than the bleedign edge. Other stuff that the personal version does not include is: video conferencing software, LDAP server, server tools, auto installer, development tools, Java 2, beowulf clustering, and the know-how handbook. Indeed, probably most of this stuff is unnecessary for the casual home user. 3. The German web site also lists the new software that ends up in 7.0 compared to the 6.4 version. Unfortunately, it is not entirely clear which of the new packets make it into the Personal and the Professional versions.
Best regards, Alex.
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