[opensuse] 12.2 on a Windows 7 machine
OK, I've been using Suse for about 15 years now, but I am not a network or systems guy. My education and background is in software. I've learned a lot about managing systems because I've had to and I don't mind learning. The changes from version to version can really throw me, for example, it took me weeks to get SAMBA working on the Linux end, but then it worked great (version 11.1). When I upgraded to 11.2, I saved the SAMBA data and copied it back in and it worked fine. With 12.1 it no longer works and I haven't been able to figure it out. I understand and accept the limits of Suse documentation and have learned a lot struggling with services, but on the other hand, after 15 years, I still don't understand what "routing" tables are or how they work, and I've read a lot on it. Those aren't my issues today, I just want to set your understanding of where I am and my own limitations. I want to setup my HP laptop for Windows 7 and Suse 12.2 dual boot. I would go completely Linux if I knew I could get everything, including camera and networking working. I also need at least one computer setup with Windows internet access for online setup of a couple of device configurations, including my entertainment center remote, which only works under Windows. I also have a lot of files on the laptop that I cannot risk losing, but I don't have any easy means to back them up, especially since SAMBA no longer works on my desktop system. That brings up the following: My laptop has only one partition of the type needed to load an bootable operating system. I forget the type, but when I tried to load Suse a year ago I trashed the computer and lost everything. Like some other things, I don't really understand this aspect really well. I can certainly setup up partitions otherwise and have been doing it for many years, including on Windows/Linux computers. Documentation says "just use gparted," but then no help from there, and again, I don't want to trash my computer with a mistake from limited knowledge. I know this is a common issue, and people who do understand all the issues together have some trouble getting it to work, but eventually do, but nobody gives a step-by-step, which shouldn't be that long a document, on how to prepare a system for loading Linux for dual boot. Like others on google searches, I can't find anything that makes sense and I just don't know enough to pull the trigger, and I don't really know how to acquire the knowledge because there are so many incomplete and conflicting essays on the subject. So, I'm asking: - Is there any help for SAMBA, especially changes since 11.2? That way I could back up my system and not be so worried. Otherwise, the home edition of Windows 7 is extremely restrictive about network connectivity. - Is there any comprehensive documentation for installing a dual boot system like I want to do? Thanks in advance, Jim -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Jim Sabatke <jsabatke@gmail.com> [10-15-12 23:52]: ...
- Is there any comprehensive documentation for installing a dual boot system like I want to do?
Have you considered installing single-boot linux and installing win7 in a virtualbox session? Works fine for me here and my system is mostly dedicated to photography. And I don't have to worry about virii. I save a session before installing or updating. If a problem arises, I just revert to the saved session. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 22:49:53 -0500 Jim Sabatke <jsabatke@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, I've been using Suse for about 15 years now, but I am not a network or systems guy. My education and background is in software. I've learned a lot about managing systems because I've had to and I don't mind learning. The changes from version to version can really throw me, for example, it took me weeks to get SAMBA working on the Linux end, but then it worked great (version 11.1). When I upgraded to 11.2, I saved the SAMBA data and copied it back in and it worked fine. With 12.1 it no longer works and I haven't been able to figure it out. I understand and accept the limits of Suse documentation and have learned a lot struggling with services, but on the other hand, after 15 years, I still don't understand what "routing" tables are or how they work, and I've read a lot on it. Those aren't my issues today, I just want to set your understanding of where I am and my own limitations.
I want to setup my HP laptop for Windows 7 and Suse 12.2 dual boot. I would go completely Linux if I knew I could get everything, including camera and networking working. I also need at least one computer setup with Windows internet access for online setup of a couple of device configurations, including my entertainment center remote, which only works under Windows. I also have a lot of files on the laptop that I cannot risk losing, but I don't have any easy means to back them up, especially since SAMBA no longer works on my desktop system.
That brings up the following:
My laptop has only one partition of the type needed to load an bootable operating system. I forget the type, but when I tried to load Suse a year ago I trashed the computer and lost everything. Like some other things, I don't really understand this aspect really well. I can certainly setup up partitions otherwise and have been doing it for many years, including on Windows/Linux computers. Documentation says "just use gparted," but then no help from there, and again, I don't want to trash my computer with a mistake from limited knowledge. I know this is a common issue, and people who do understand all the issues together have some trouble getting it to work, but eventually do, but nobody gives a step-by-step, which shouldn't be that long a document, on how to prepare a system for loading Linux for dual boot. Like others on google searches, I can't find anything that makes sense and I just don't know enough to pull the trigger, and I don't really know how to acquire the knowledge because there are so many incomplete and conflicting essays on the subject. So, I'm asking:
- Is there any help for SAMBA, especially changes since 11.2? That way I could back up my system and not be so worried. Otherwise, the home edition of Windows 7 is extremely restrictive about network connectivity.
- Is there any comprehensive documentation for installing a dual boot system like I want to do?
Thanks in advance,
Jim Hi Have a stooge around the forum for articles, blogs and threads ;)
For example; http://forums.opensuse.org/content/112-swat-samba-web-administration-tool-se... You might also want to look at one of the forum admins site; http://www.swerdna.net.au/ -- Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890) openSUSE 12.2 (x86_64) Kernel 3.4.11-2.16-desktop up 8:33, 3 users, load average: 0.23, 0.16, 0.10 CPU Intel i5 CPU M520@2.40GHz | Intel Arrandale GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 11:12:13PM -0500, Malcolm wrote: [ 8< ]
Have a stooge around the forum for articles, blogs and threads ;)
For example; http://forums.opensuse.org/content/112-swat-samba-web-administration-tool-se...
You might also want to look at one of the forum admins site; http://www.swerdna.net.au/
Why not using the YaST Samba module? Does it need beeter documentation? Are there open defect reports? Cheers, Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team + SUSE Labs SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany
Thank you so much for your like to the SWAT site. The script worked easily and perfectly. My desktop Linux box is at 12.1, which is still a version SWAT supports; they haven't made changes to support 12.2 yet. That's really OK for that box as I run GIMP a lot and support and compatibility usually runs quite a bit behind. In fact, when I load the latest GIMP from the Suse site, and I really want the new version, it breaks the system pretty badly, but that's a discussion for another day. Now I need to find out if I can get away with making my fairly new HP laptop strictly a Linux box (if it is a challenge to make it dual boot). The only issues I see are: - Wireless support, which I have read is now well supported as of 12.2 (Broadcom 802.11 Wireless Adapter, builtin). - Built-in camera support, which isn't strictly something I have to have as it is a pretty crappy camera and I wouldn't mind adding a USB camera (I can't find any reference to the builtin camera model on the computer or online, but it's light gathering power is so poor I really need something else if I plan to use it.) - The ability to stop the touch-pad driver when a mouse is plugged in. The touch-pad is so ridiculously sensitive that it is useless. I'm sure that's an easy adjustment to make. So, any feedback on the wireless capability and it's ease of setup would be really appreciated. I am a little leery of online "oh, it's just an easy setup" because easy to some is hopeless to others. If I know it will work, I will go for it though. Thanks, Jim On 10/15/2012 11:12 PM, Malcolm wrote:
On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 22:49:53 -0500 Jim Sabatke <jsabatke@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, I've been using Suse for about 15 years now, but I am not a network or systems guy. My education and background is in software. I've learned a lot about managing systems because I've had to and I don't mind learning. The changes from version to version can really throw me, for example, it took me weeks to get SAMBA working on the Linux end, but then it worked great (version 11.1). When I upgraded to 11.2, I saved the SAMBA data and copied it back in and it worked fine. With 12.1 it no longer works and I haven't been able to figure it out. I understand and accept the limits of Suse documentation and have learned a lot struggling with services, but on the other hand, after 15 years, I still don't understand what "routing" tables are or how they work, and I've read a lot on it. Those aren't my issues today, I just want to set your understanding of where I am and my own limitations.
I want to setup my HP laptop for Windows 7 and Suse 12.2 dual boot. I would go completely Linux if I knew I could get everything, including camera and networking working. I also need at least one computer setup with Windows internet access for online setup of a couple of device configurations, including my entertainment center remote, which only works under Windows. I also have a lot of files on the laptop that I cannot risk losing, but I don't have any easy means to back them up, especially since SAMBA no longer works on my desktop system.
That brings up the following:
My laptop has only one partition of the type needed to load an bootable operating system. I forget the type, but when I tried to load Suse a year ago I trashed the computer and lost everything. Like some other things, I don't really understand this aspect really well. I can certainly setup up partitions otherwise and have been doing it for many years, including on Windows/Linux computers. Documentation says "just use gparted," but then no help from there, and again, I don't want to trash my computer with a mistake from limited knowledge. I know this is a common issue, and people who do understand all the issues together have some trouble getting it to work, but eventually do, but nobody gives a step-by-step, which shouldn't be that long a document, on how to prepare a system for loading Linux for dual boot. Like others on google searches, I can't find anything that makes sense and I just don't know enough to pull the trigger, and I don't really know how to acquire the knowledge because there are so many incomplete and conflicting essays on the subject. So, I'm asking:
- Is there any help for SAMBA, especially changes since 11.2? That way I could back up my system and not be so worried. Otherwise, the home edition of Windows 7 is extremely restrictive about network connectivity.
- Is there any comprehensive documentation for installing a dual boot system like I want to do?
Thanks in advance,
Jim Hi Have a stooge around the forum for articles, blogs and threads ;)
For example; http://forums.opensuse.org/content/112-swat-samba-web-administration-tool-se...
You might also want to look at one of the forum admins site; http://www.swerdna.net.au/
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On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 06:55:28 -0500 Jim Sabatke <jsabatke@gmail.com> wrote: <snip>
Now I need to find out if I can get away with making my fairly new HP laptop strictly a Linux box (if it is a challenge to make it dual boot). The only issues I see are:
- Wireless support, which I have read is now well supported as of 12.2 (Broadcom 802.11 Wireless Adapter, builtin). - Built-in camera support, which isn't strictly something I have to have as it is a pretty crappy camera and I wouldn't mind adding a USB camera (I can't find any reference to the builtin camera model on the computer or online, but it's light gathering power is so poor I really need something else if I plan to use it.) - The ability to stop the touch-pad driver when a mouse is plugged in. The touch-pad is so ridiculously sensitive that it is useless. I'm sure that's an easy adjustment to make.
So, any feedback on the wireless capability and it's ease of setup would be really appreciated. I am a little leery of online "oh, it's just an easy setup" because easy to some is hopeless to others. If I know it will work, I will go for it though.
Thanks,
<snip> Hi Have a look on the forum, wireless section, hardware section for the camera... the forum can be accessed via nntp as well, but I suggest you post on your wireless device there to catch the eye of our resident kernel wireless developer. A udev rule could be run for the touchpad to disable, but there should be configuration options in your Desktop to change the sensitivity etc? -- Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890) openSUSE 12.2 (x86_64) Kernel 3.4.11-2.16-desktop up 12:44, 5 users, load average: 0.03, 0.08, 0.06 CPU Intel i5 CPU M520@2.40GHz | Intel Arrandale GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Jim Sabatke <jsabatke@gmail.com> [10-19-12 07:56]: ...
Now I need to find out if I can get away with making my fairly new HP laptop strictly a Linux box (if it is a challenge to make it dual boot). The only issues I see are: ... The ability to stop the touch-pad driver when a mouse is plugged in. The touch-pad is so ridiculously sensitive that it is useless. I'm sure that's an easy adjustment to make.
Disabling touch-pad when mouse is connected is easy, synaptiks has an option for this. I haven't noticed a problem with sensitivity so cannot advise there. ps. Please trim quotes and post inline or at the bottom. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_list_netiquette#Quoting http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_list_netiquette#Use_bottom-posting_o... tks -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
It would appear that on Oct 19, Jim Sabatke did say:
Subject: Re: Re: 12.2 on a Windows 7 machine
Now I need to find out if I can get away with making my fairly new HP laptop strictly a Linux box (if it is a challenge to make it dual boot). The only issues I see are:
As a dedicated multi-booter, I want to say that dual booting shouldn't be a challenge if it's done right... I'll explain what I mean below.
- Wireless support, which I have read is now well supported as of 12.2 (Broadcom 802.11 Wireless Adapter, builtin).
I can't offer much advice on that part, considering my "wireless" experience is limited to ONE laptop on which I had to resort to an external USB wireless adapter due to being unable to get the built-in broadcom adapter to work {even with the Vista that came preinstalled}
- The ability to stop the touch-pad driver when a mouse is plugged in. The touch-pad is so ridiculously sensitive that it is useless. I'm sure that's an easy adjustment to make.
On this I MAY be able to offer some help. As long as that touchpad is synaptics compatible. I myself have serious issues with the sensitivity of the synaptics touchpad on my Gateway laptop. For me the ideal is to disable all "tapping" and virtual "scrollwheel" functions. But I couldn't make sense out of the complex rule configurations that were supposedly necessary. That is until I discovered a scriptable command line utility called synclient. It's designed for making instant changes on the fly. The settings don't survive rebooting, but I've found that adding synclient line(s) in my $HOME/.xinitrc file works well for me. synaptics itself has a LOT of options (try "man synaptics" to learn about them.) But since your talking about "disabling" it...: - - - - - - - - -< s n i p >- - - - - - - - - - Option "TouchpadOff" "integer" Switch off the touchpad. Valid values are: 0 Touchpad is enabled 1 Touchpad is switched off 2 Only tapping and scrolling is switched off Property: "Synaptics Off" - - - - - - - - -< s n i p >- - - - - - - - - - You could turn toggle the features you want on and off one the fly with a couple of user scripts, or just type the commands (While the X server is running) One thing though the syntax of synclient is slightly different from synaptics option statements... instead of: Option "TouchpadOff" "integer" The syntax for synclient is: synclient TouchpadOff="integer" IE: to totaly disable the touchpad: synclient TouchpadOff=1 To completely re-enable: synclient TouchpadOff=0 Speaking for myself just putting: synclient TouchpadOff=2 in any script that runs on X initialization does wonders for me... - - - - - - - - -< s n i p >- - - - - - - - - - Now back to the concept of dual booting: I'll admit I haven't had to set up an "Windows 7" for dualbooting yet. But For a while there I thought I was going to get a new laptop and looked into it. If this HP laptop is still a Windows 7 machine then as long as you make sure you don't trash the windows 7 "loader" in the process of adding Linux,you should be OK. I found a tutorial on how to do this with ubuntu: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/9059/dual-boot-your-pre-installed-windows-7-c... And the only part that seems different from setting up dual boot with Vista was the repartioning because it seems the Windows 7 loader is on a separate partition. And it appears that the partitioning tool in the ubuntu 9.10 installer can deal with it. But I'd be inclined to pre-partition with gparted. Which should show a small first partition of something like 100 Meg, that it will likely call /dev/sda1. Be careful not to change that one. Most likely the rest of the hard drive will be one big partition (/dev/sda2) Which is what you resize (shrink) to make room for Linux. {Though it's a good idea to use some partition backup tool such as clonezilla to backup this /dev/sda2 to a usb drive first...} You could stop there if OpenSuSE's installer has a "use free space" option Or you can go ahead and make Linux and swap partitions with gparted. And tell the installer to use custom preformated partitions. in which case you need to tell it where to mount those Linux partitions. Then go ahead and let it put grub on the mbr. It should automatically include a menu choice to boot windows by chainloading the 1st partition which grub will call (hd0,0) except I think grub2 calls it (hd0,1)... On the other hand, if you already replaced windows 7 with OpenSuSE, planning to reinstall Win 7 as the second choice, well now would be a good time to find out if you can learn to cut the cord and run a pure OpenSuSE box. I hope this helps... -- | --- ___ | <0> <-> | ^ JtWdyP | ~\___/~ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Jim Sabatke wrote:
My laptop has only one partition of the type needed to load an bootable operating system.
Why is there only one? Generally, you can resize the existing partition and create new ones for Linux. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 8:16 AM, James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
Jim Sabatke wrote:
My laptop has only one partition of the type needed to load an bootable operating system.
Why is there only one? Generally, you can resize the existing partition and create new ones for Linux.
That seems to be getting harder. I bought a new laptop for the office about a year ago. Came with Win7 and a 250GB drive. I expected to be able to shrink that from within Win7 way down. It refused to shrink below 160GB. No idea why. I also don't recall if the openSUSE installer will even try to shrink the NTFS version that is created by Win7. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/16/2012 07:58 AM, Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 8:16 AM, James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
Jim Sabatke wrote:
My laptop has only one partition of the type needed to load an bootable operating system.
Why is there only one? Generally, you can resize the existing partition and create new ones for Linux.
That seems to be getting harder. I bought a new laptop for the office about a year ago. Came with Win7 and a 250GB drive. I expected to be able to shrink that from within Win7 way down. It refused to shrink below 160GB.
No idea why. I also don't recall if the openSUSE installer will even try to shrink the NTFS version that is created by Win7.
Greg
Is 160 gig the minimum disk size for Windows 7? I bought a Win 7 laptop with 360 gig drive and Windows shrunk it's partition down to 180 with no issues. 160 gig is about the size of the hard drive, as I recall, in my Dell Duo netbook/tablet with Win 7 Home Premium on it. -- “The only difference between death and taxes is that death doesn't get worse every time Congress meets.” — Will Rogers _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-10-16 15:26, Billie Walsh wrote:
On 10/16/2012 07:58 AM, Greg Freemyer wrote:
No idea why. I also don't recall if the openSUSE installer will even try to shrink the NTFS version that is created by Win7.
Is 160 gig the minimum disk size for Windows 7? I bought a Win 7 laptop with 360 gig drive and Windows shrunk it's partition down to 180 with no issues. 160 gig is about the size of the hard drive, as I recall, in my Dell Duo netbook/tablet with Win 7 Home Premium on it.
No, I could shrink my W7 much further. I think it said something like 20 gigs, but I left much more. But I had to use the boot rescue native of the laptop to "reinstall" windows fresh without any updates or modifications (or backup aka restore points), so that there are no unmovable files in the middle of the partition. That's the reason it refuses to shrink further. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlB9ZpQACgkQIvFNjefEBxp0aACg2iy19aOREpQDoxKQqwqBiWIJ wG8AoMZbnuqKQRKDlow4iU0qkoSyBBvM =pmZk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Jim Sabatke wrote:
My laptop has only one partition of the type needed to load an bootable operating system.
- a couple of years back, i did need ms windows for 1 app - running ms windows on VirtualBox, then, was Totally satisfactory - my idea is that IF one needs ms windows , then best run it on Virtual Machine with Linux foundation. regards Ellan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 8:16 AM, James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
Jim Sabatke wrote:
My laptop has only one partition of the type needed to load an bootable operating system.
Why is there only one? Generally, you can resize the existing partition and create new ones for Linux. That seems to be getting harder. I bought a new laptop for the office about a year ago. Came with Win7 and a 250GB drive. I expected to be able to shrink that from within Win7 way down. It refused to shrink below 160GB.
No idea why. I also don't recall if the openSUSE installer will even try to shrink the NTFS version that is created by Win7.
Greg
I don't know why that happened. On my ThinkPad, I was able to shrink the Windows 7 partition to 90 GB. I used the built in Windows utility to shrink it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2012-10-16 08:58 (GMT-0400) Greg Freemyer composed:
I bought a new laptop for the office about a year ago. Came with Win7 and a 250GB drive. I expected to be able to shrink that from within Win7 way down. It refused to shrink below 160GB.
No idea why.
The why is about "unmovable" files. The more installed RAM, the bigger they are. Turn off paging and hibernation before rebooting to do the shrink and the problem files should be gone or (re)movable, allowing shrinking to a much smaller fraction of the original size. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/15/2012 11:49 PM, Jim Sabatke wrote:
I also need at least one computer setup with Windows internet access for online setup of a couple of device configurations, including my entertainment center remote, which only works under Windows.
For the record I am able to program my Logitec Harmony on linux using an open source util and a browser. (not wine + the windows app) If It's Harmony and if you want, I'll detail that. It's on a different laptop at home. It's ubuntu though so I won't have suse rpm's to point to. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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