Re: [opensuse] Odd behavior of Eclipse CDT Galileo
On Monday 16 November 2009 23:20:02 you wrote:
Bogdan Cristea wrote:
I have installed the latest version of Eclipse CDT Galileo downloaded from Eclipse site. In openSUSE 11.2 with KDE 4.31, when I open a dialog window in Eclipse (e.g. in order to open a new perspective) and I press with the mouse the OK button nothing happens. However, the focus is set on OK button so pressing the enter key (from keyboard) triggers the desired action. This behavior seems to me very odd, but it's not consistent (sometime I can use the mouse). Do you have noticed a similar behavior ?
Interestingly I noticed something very similar with dialog boxes in RSSOwl, a feed reader based on Eclipse. I am using OS 11.2 x64.
~/jc
It could be a bug in java virtual machine, I'll let other people to confirm this. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bogdan Cristea wrote:
On Monday 16 November 2009 23:20:02 you wrote:
Bogdan Cristea wrote:
I have installed the latest version of Eclipse CDT Galileo downloaded from Eclipse site. In openSUSE 11.2 with KDE 4.31, when I open a dialog window in Eclipse (e.g. in order to open a new perspective) and I press with the mouse the OK button nothing happens. However, the focus is set on OK button so pressing the enter key (from keyboard) triggers the desired action. This behavior seems to me very odd, but it's not consistent (sometime I can use the mouse). Do you have noticed a similar behavior ? Interestingly I noticed something very similar with dialog boxes in RSSOwl, a feed reader based on Eclipse. I am using OS 11.2 x64.
~/jc
It could be a bug in java virtual machine, I'll let other people to confirm this.
Thanks for letting people know about this. Getting Eclipse to work well with openSuSE has become more difficult over time (it is not always easy on any platform), and when one gets it working as one likes, one tends to hang on to the working config as long as possible. As I have no intention of using KDE4 in the future, it would be interesting to know whether this issue appears when running Eclipse under any other desktop (as Eclipse/Sun Java are not QT based I would expect this to be a desktop independent issue, and it to occur on all desktops). I would prefer not to cripple one of my key tools by upgrading and finding out the hard way. This issue and the reported issues with the Thunderbird 3/Lightening Plugin are for me show stoppers, so 11.2 is going to be something I am going to hold off from, at least until I know the underlying problems are fixed. A few years a go I could upgrade between versions without too many problems, but it is of some concern that in more recent times I have felt it wise to skip a version because potential risks outweighed possible benefits. (10.1 and 10.3 come to mind here... I was somewhat forced to install 11.1 on a particular machine and would probably have skipped that version if circumstances had not dictated otherwise) - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksCewUACgkQasN0sSnLmgLUYACgnXWA4d8EOIgAogMQiN3bNpOj Fs4AoIM2mpwHCGLzFr0MjbdlmMLwUITU =naSn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 17 of November 2009 11:29:25 G T Smith wrote:
Bogdan Cristea wrote:
On Monday 16 November 2009 23:20:02 you wrote:
Bogdan Cristea wrote:
I have installed the latest version of Eclipse CDT Galileo downloaded from Eclipse site. In openSUSE 11.2 with KDE 4.31, when I open a dialog window in Eclipse (e.g. in order to open a new perspective) and I press with the mouse the OK button nothing happens. However, the focus is set on OK button so pressing the enter key (from keyboard) triggers the desired action. This behavior seems to me very odd, but it's not consistent (sometime I can use the mouse). Do you have noticed a similar behavior ?
Interestingly I noticed something very similar with dialog boxes in RSSOwl, a feed reader based on Eclipse. I am using OS 11.2 x64.
~/jc
It could be a bug in java virtual machine, I'll let other people to confirm this.
Thanks for letting people know about this. Getting Eclipse to work well with openSuSE has become more difficult over time
Trust me - deploying of eclipse is harder :-). It's a really big piece of a software with a NIH syndrome (SWT, OSGI) - and dependency on quickly changing things like xulrunner and gtk, so there will be problems forever. As a package maintainer I loved Netbeans, as they don't have a big problem.
(it is not always easy on any platform), and when one gets it working as one likes, one tends to hang on to the working config as long as possible.
As I have no intention of using KDE4 in the future, it would be interesting to know whether this issue appears when running Eclipse under any other desktop (as Eclipse/Sun Java are not QT based I would expect this to be a desktop independent issue, and it to occur on all desktops).
No, there's no dependency on KDE4 - this is a problem between Gtk/gdk in 11.2 and SWT in 3.5. I have some bug regarding Eclipse and KDE4, but did not read it yet - https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=556124
I would prefer not to cripple one of my key tools by upgrading and finding out the hard way.
The GTK_NATIVE_WINDOWS=true workaround fixes it - you don't need to update to 3.6. BTW: I'm again thinking to drop our eclipse package from Factory, because it takes a lot of effort and there are many unfixed issues. But if there's any volunteer would like to improve eclipse packaging in openSUSE, it'd be great. Regards Michal Vyskocil
This issue and the reported issues with the Thunderbird 3/Lightening Plugin are for me show stoppers, so 11.2 is going to be something I am going to hold off from, at least until I know the underlying problems are fixed.
A few years a go I could upgrade between versions without too many problems, but it is of some concern that in more recent times I have felt it wise to skip a version because potential risks outweighed possible benefits. (10.1 and 10.3 come to mind here... I was somewhat forced to install 11.1 on a particular machine and would probably have skipped that version if circumstances had not dictated otherwise)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Michal Vyskocil wrote:
On Tuesday 17 of November 2009 11:29:25 G T Smith wrote:
Bogdan Cristea wrote:
On Monday 16 November 2009 23:20:02 you wrote:
Bogdan Cristea wrote:
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~/jc It could be a bug in java virtual machine, I'll let other people to confirm this. Thanks for letting people know about this. Getting Eclipse to work well with openSuSE has become more difficult over time
Trust me - deploying of eclipse is harder :-). It's a really big piece of a software with a NIH syndrome (SWT, OSGI) - and dependency on quickly changing things like xulrunner and gtk, so there will be problems forever. As a package maintainer I loved Netbeans, as they don't have a big problem.
I can believe it. :-) In the time I have been using it, Eclipse has evolved from being a fairly straight forward tool where installation was case of unzipping and copying the directory structure to wherever, to something that much larger when one considers the range of plugins (about a 1000 ) that are available. The main problem is the inconsistencies in plug-in management, (e.g. the last time I looked at the QT plugin installation procedure it was not for the faint hearted), and for some reason I keep ending up with two different subversion clients which is a mild irritation. The UI/API politics between eclipse.org, IBM and SUN is just icing on the cake.... Netbeans is fine to a point for Java, but it does tend to produce Java code which can only be developed within a Netbeans environment unless you are very careful, and although I believe support for other languages is available its strength is Sun Java support. Its weakness is if you want to use Perl, C/C++, Python, or PHP as well, you may have some interesting fun. I really only use the SuSE material for the bit of scripting that integrates Eclipse into the SuSE environment, and get the rest from eclipse.org or in the past Yoxos, because in the past have run into trouble with third party plugins and SUSE versions of Eclipse.
under any other desktop (as Eclipse/Sun Java are not QT based I would expect this to be a desktop independent issue, and it to occur on all desktops).
No, there's no dependency on KDE4 - this is a problem between Gtk/gdk in 11.2 and SWT in 3.5. I have some bug regarding Eclipse and KDE4, but did not read it yet - https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=556124
I would prefer not to cripple one of my key tools by upgrading and finding out the hard way.
The GTK_NATIVE_WINDOWS=true workaround fixes it - you don't need to update to 3.6.
Useful to know... I am thinking about upgrading my copy of Eclipse if a couple quirks of the Perl Editor/Debugger have been fixed as a consequence...
BTW: I'm again thinking to drop our eclipse package from Factory, because it takes a lot of effort and there are many unfixed issues. But if there's any volunteer would like to improve eclipse packaging in openSUSE, it'd be great.
A bit radical as I believe SUSE was part of the original consortium that founded eclipse.org in 2001.... though I do not know whether it still has an input....
Regards Michal Vyskocil
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On Friday 20 of November 2009 14:13:33 G T Smith wrote:
Michal Vyskocil wrote: [snip] A bit radical as I believe SUSE was part of the original consortium that founded eclipse.org in 2001.... though I do not know whether it still has an input....
It was a Novell as I found [1], but it does not matter, if there's nobody can maintain it (and I'm not the one who can - there are time and also knowledge constraints to do it). [1] http://www.eclipse.org/org/press-release/feb2004foundationpr.html Regards Michal Vyskocil
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Michal Vyskocil wrote:
On Friday 20 of November 2009 14:13:33 G T Smith wrote:
Michal Vyskocil wrote: [snip] A bit radical as I believe SUSE was part of the original consortium that founded eclipse.org in 2001.... though I do not know whether it still has an input....
It was a Novell as I found [1], but it does not matter, if there's nobody can maintain it (and I'm not the one who can - there are time and also knowledge constraints to do it).
[1] http://www.eclipse.org/org/press-release/feb2004foundationpr.html
Regards Michal Vyskocil
Actually thinking more of... http://www.eclipse.org/org/pr.html before SuSE became part Novell and pre-dates [1] by three years... To be honest I am not sure whether the emphasis should be on handling compatibility of gtk libraries and Java so that SuSE specific issues become non-issues for eclipse and other non-SuSE applications which make use of them. Then for eclipse give instructions for downloading, installing and getting help on basic eclipse on the the wiki/help files (and see if a link can be arranged from eclipse.org) and leave issues with individual plugins to the plugin authors, (which is what the eclipse project tends to do anyway), and restrict SuSE support the installation and maintenance of a script that integrates eclipse into the SuSE environment. (In my early use of eclipse I had a crude script hack to do this, the current openSUSE script is a considerable improvement on that and is the only reason I use the openSUSE supplied rpm). Or spend a lot of time and effort in developing a specific openSUSE variant (essentially performing something eclipse.org already provide). For Perl and C/C++ developers the current alternative IDEs on Linux are not that good (possibly PHP, Python and WEB developers have the same problem, I do not know as I never work with these) especially if they are compared to Visual Studio. Eclipse has modules which supply specialist development capabilities for all these and others and is a very good functional alternative to VS. With Java one does have Netbeans as an alternative (and it is very competent alternative). - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksPtjwACgkQasN0sSnLmgKELwCg5brxbrrLNB0rRkrDYvY3+Tfl dn8AoI/tkudh7dY0iHMeHx3rj5pxt8xn =aBJ4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 20/11/09 10:13, G T Smith wrote:
A bit radical as I believe SUSE was part of the original consortium that founded eclipse.org in 2001....
Novell was, at that time, SUSE was not part of Novell as it is today. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
On 20/11/09 10:13, G T Smith wrote:
A bit radical as I believe SUSE was part of the original consortium that founded eclipse.org in 2001....
Novell was, at that time, SUSE was not part of Novell as it is today.
See response to michael... - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksPtkMACgkQasN0sSnLmgImBgCdFyzmVBDxsLTR4KRY96AI81Ej qCsAnicSlEQYSUS2Q3+LEqR1gth+y9hy =Hsf4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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