[opensuse] No IPv6 static address in network settings
I just noticed there's no way to manually assign an IPv6 static address in Yast Network Settings. It is possible to assign an IPv4 address. Is there something I'm missing? This is in openSUSE 42.2. Maybe it's time for some things to be updated. tnx jk -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
James Knott wrote:
I just noticed there's no way to manually assign an IPv6 static address in Yast Network Settings. It is possible to assign an IPv4 address. Is there something I'm missing? This is in openSUSE 42.2. Maybe it's time for some things to be updated.
I've been doing that at least since 12.3 - I don't see any problem, nor in Leap 42x. You assign a static IPv6 address the same way as an IPv4. Maybe a screenshot would help us understand where you see the problem? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (19.2°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/03/2017 03:33 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
James Knott wrote:
I just noticed there's no way to manually assign an IPv6 static address in Yast Network Settings. It is possible to assign an IPv4 address. Is there something I'm missing? This is in openSUSE 42.2. Maybe it's time for some things to be updated. I've been doing that at least since 12.3 - I don't see any problem, nor in Leap 42x. You assign a static IPv6 address the same way as an IPv4. Maybe a screenshot would help us understand where you see the problem?
Here's the screenshot on Google Drive. Notice it says IPv4 Address. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5LapMwk8iPrT09jQTZoUGYxaDQ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Op maandag 3 juli 2017 22:05:25 CEST schreef James Knott:
On 07/03/2017 03:33 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
James Knott wrote:
I just noticed there's no way to manually assign an IPv6 static address in Yast Network Settings. It is possible to assign an IPv4 address. Is there something I'm missing? This is in openSUSE 42.2. Maybe it's time for some things to be updated.
I've been doing that at least since 12.3 - I don't see any problem, nor in Leap 42x. You assign a static IPv6 address the same way as an IPv4. Maybe a screenshot would help us understand where you see the problem?
Here's the screenshot on Google Drive. Notice it says IPv4 Address. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5LapMwk8iPrT09jQTZoUGYxaDQ
Just enter an IPv6 address in the IP address field. The label is no longer used, but does not do any harm. -- fr.gr. member openSUSE Freek de Kruijf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/03/2017 05:06 PM, Freek de Kruijf wrote:
Op maandag 3 juli 2017 22:05:25 CEST schreef James Knott:
On 07/03/2017 03:33 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
James Knott wrote:
I just noticed there's no way to manually assign an IPv6 static address in Yast Network Settings. It is possible to assign an IPv4 address. Is there something I'm missing? This is in openSUSE 42.2. Maybe it's time for some things to be updated. I've been doing that at least since 12.3 - I don't see any problem, nor in Leap 42x. You assign a static IPv6 address the same way as an IPv4. Maybe a screenshot would help us understand where you see the problem? Here's the screenshot on Google Drive. Notice it says IPv4 Address. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5LapMwk8iPrT09jQTZoUGYxaDQ Just enter an IPv6 address in the IP address field.
That appears to work.
The label is no longer used, but does not do any harm.
Like I said, some things need to be updated. ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/03/2017 05:13 PM, James Knott wrote:
The label is no longer used, but does not do any harm. Like I said, some things need to be updated. ;-)
Actually, with IPv6 now becoming common, a few things need to be updated. I had to stop using openSUSE as a firewall, as I couldn't get it to work with DHCPv6-PD and setting up firewall rules for IPv6 was also an issue. I switched to pfSense for my firewall, which is much better on both counts. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
James Knott wrote:
On 07/03/2017 05:13 PM, James Knott wrote:
The label is no longer used, but does not do any harm. Like I said, some things need to be updated. ;-)
Actually, with IPv6 now becoming common, a few things need to be updated. I had to stop using openSUSE as a firewall, as I couldn't get it to work with DHCPv6-PD and setting up firewall rules for IPv6 was also an issue.
I thought the latter was okay, but I have not heard if we have anything for the prefix distribution. Around here, IPv6 is being dished out to customers, usually without telling them. I have had at least 3 cases where people suddenly had IPv6 addresses. For Joe Consumer it isn't a problem of course, but I had one yesterday who couldn't understand why his dynamic dns updates weren't working - well, he was asking to have an A record set to the address of the client - which defaulted to using IPv6. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.2°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/04/2017 01:29 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
James Knott wrote:
On 07/03/2017 05:13 PM, James Knott wrote:
The label is no longer used, but does not do any harm. Like I said, some things need to be updated. ;-) Actually, with IPv6 now becoming common, a few things need to be updated. I had to stop using openSUSE as a firewall, as I couldn't get it to work with DHCPv6-PD and setting up firewall rules for IPv6 was also an issue. I thought the latter was okay, but I have not heard if we have anything for the prefix distribution.
I had to add this to SuSEfirewall2 to get it to work: FW_FORWARD="2001:5c0:1108:3500::/56,2000::/3 \ 2000::/3,2001:5c0:1108:3500::/56" Also, it doesn't support separate rules for IPv4 & IPv6. PfSense makes a much better firewall.
Around here, IPv6 is being dished out to customers, usually without telling them. I have had at least 3 cases where people suddenly had IPv6 addresses. For Joe Consumer it isn't a problem of course, but I had one yesterday who couldn't understand why his dynamic dns updates weren't working - well, he was asking to have an A record set to the address of the client - which defaulted to using IPv6.
Did they not have IPv4 available too? Of course, you shouldn't need a dynamic DNS with IPv6, as your prefix should be static and you point the DNS to the MAC based addresses. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
James Knott wrote:
On 07/04/2017 01:29 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Around here, IPv6 is being dished out to customers, usually without telling them. I have had at least 3 cases where people suddenly had IPv6 addresses. For Joe Consumer it isn't a problem of course, but I had one yesterday who couldn't understand why his dynamic dns updates weren't working - well, he was asking to have an A record set to the address of the client - which defaulted to using IPv6.
Did they not have IPv4 available too?
Yes, but the client (wget) for the dyndns update defaults to the machine default, IPv6. I told them to add '-4' to wget.
Of course, you shouldn't need a dynamic DNS with IPv6, as your prefix should be static and you point the DNS to the MAC based addresses.
Is the prefix really meant to be static or is it like IPv4, best efforts? Anyway, they wanted the dyndns for their ipv4 address. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (25.9°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/04/2017 10:16 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Of course, you shouldn't need a dynamic DNS with IPv6, as your prefix
should be static and you point the DNS to the MAC based addresses. Is the prefix really meant to be static or is it like IPv4, best efforts? Anyway, they wanted the dyndns for their ipv4 address.
IPv6 uses "DUID" to map a router to an address block. As long as the DUID doesn't change, the address block shouldn't. Also, with my ISP, my IPv4 address is virtually static. It only changes when I change the hardware. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DHCPv6#DHCP_Unique_Identifier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
James Knott wrote:
On 07/04/2017 10:16 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Of course, you shouldn't need a dynamic DNS with IPv6, as your prefix
should be static and you point the DNS to the MAC based addresses. Is the prefix really meant to be static or is it like IPv4, best efforts? Anyway, they wanted the dyndns for their ipv4 address.
IPv6 uses "DUID" to map a router to an address block. As long as the DUID doesn't change, the address block shouldn't.
Maybe "shouldnt" is the keyword here: Looking through my logs just today (since midnight), I see one dyndns customer with at least two different blocks: 2001:db8:4035:325 2001:db8:4035:324 The lower half changes too: 150:70:173:11 150:70:173:12 150:70:173:14 150:70:173:6 150:70:173:7 150:70:173:43 150:70:173:46 150:70:173:49 150:70:173:53 150:70:173:59 I didn't expect addresses to change quite so fast. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (26.5°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-07-04 16:16, Per Jessen wrote:
James Knott wrote:
Of course, you shouldn't need a dynamic DNS with IPv6, as your prefix should be static and you point the DNS to the MAC based addresses.
Is the prefix really meant to be static or is it like IPv4, best efforts? Anyway, they wanted the dyndns for their ipv4 address.
I read that some ISP give dynamic IPv6 addresses. In other words, some ISP give dynamic IPs in order to sell at a higher price the fixed addresses. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 07/04/2017 02:18 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Is the prefix really meant to be static or is it like IPv4, best
efforts? Anyway, they wanted the dyndns for their ipv4 address. I read that some ISP give dynamic IPv6 addresses. In other words, some ISP give dynamic IPs in order to sell at a higher price the fixed addresses.
That must be a Spain thing. There is no additional cost for any IPv6 addresses here. In fact, when I changed my cable modem, to get IPv6 last year, my bill went down by about $50/month (for Internet, TV & home phone). IPv6 addresses are so plentiful there's no point in charging for them. In fact, some people say ISPs should hand out /48 prefixes (I only have a /56) for 65K /64 prefixes. There are enough /48s available for every person on earth to have more than 5000 of them! Prior to getting IPv6 from my ISP, I had a /56 via tunnel for free. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-07-04 16:16, Per Jessen wrote:
James Knott wrote:
Of course, you shouldn't need a dynamic DNS with IPv6, as your prefix should be static and you point the DNS to the MAC based addresses.
Is the prefix really meant to be static or is it like IPv4, best efforts? Anyway, they wanted the dyndns for their ipv4 address.
I read that some ISP give dynamic IPv6 addresses. In other words, some ISP give dynamic IPs in order to sell at a higher price the fixed addresses.
I think every customer line will have a dynamic IPv6 network. It might be virtually fixed over months and years, but still dynamic per definition. An ISP charging for a fixed IPv6 subnet is a silly idea, but people are stupid, so maybe they can sell it. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (23.6°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/04/2017 11:58 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-07-04 16:16, Per Jessen wrote:
James Knott wrote:
Of course, you shouldn't need a dynamic DNS with IPv6, as your prefix should be static and you point the DNS to the MAC based addresses. Is the prefix really meant to be static or is it like IPv4, best efforts? Anyway, they wanted the dyndns for their ipv4 address. I read that some ISP give dynamic IPv6 addresses. In other words, some ISP give dynamic IPs in order to sell at a higher price the fixed addresses. I think every customer line will have a dynamic IPv6 network. It might be virtually fixed over months and years, but still dynamic per definition. An ISP charging for a fixed IPv6 subnet is a silly idea, but people are stupid, so maybe they can sell it.
Remember when I was wrestling with my router last year? I could only get a /64, which is worthless if you've got more than one subnet behind your router. It's perfectly conceivable for an ISP to charge for a /56, not because the should, but because they can. Same thing goes for static vs dynamic. It's not about common sense, it's about making money. BTW, I'm still running v4 only, with four natted subnets. Regards, Lew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/04/2017 03:11 PM, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
Remember when I was wrestling with my router last year? I could only get a /64, which is worthless if you've got more than one subnet behind your router. It's perfectly conceivable for an ISP to charge for a /56, not because the should, but because they can. Same thing goes for static vs dynamic. It's not about common sense, it's about making money. BTW, I'm still running v4 only, with four natted subnets.
If I were to use the modem/router as a router, I'd be limited to a /64. But with a separate router, I can get my choice up to a /56. One thing I tried setting up yesterday is a "Unique Local Address" network. ULAs are similar to RFC1918 addresses in that they can be routed, though not over the Internet. I created a /48 prefix by starting with "fd" and adding a 40 bit random number to it. With a 40 bit number, there are about 1.1 trillion /48 prefixes. I just configured pfSense to advertise the network and all IPv6 capable devices can use it, in addition the usual global addresses. The prefix I use is fd48:1a37:2160::/48, but don't tell anyone because it's secret! ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
James Knott wrote:
On 07/04/2017 03:11 PM, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
Remember when I was wrestling with my router last year? I could only get a /64, which is worthless if you've got more than one subnet behind your router. It's perfectly conceivable for an ISP to charge for a /56, not because the should, but because they can. Same thing goes for static vs dynamic. It's not about common sense, it's about making money. BTW, I'm still running v4 only, with four natted subnets.
If I were to use the modem/router as a router, I'd be limited to a /64. But with a separate router, I can get my choice up to a /56.
One thing I tried setting up yesterday is a "Unique Local Address" network. ULAs are similar to RFC1918 addresses in that they can be routed, though not over the Internet.
I thought ULAs were deprecated? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (21.4°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/04/2017 03:29 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
One thing I tried setting up yesterday is a "Unique Local Address"
network. ULAs are similar to RFC1918 addresses in that they can be routed, though not over the Internet. I thought ULAs were deprecated?
No, site local addresses were. ULAs replaced them. Incidentally, when I was at my uncle's a couple of weeks ago, I noticed his modem/router was handing out ULAs in the fc00::/8 range. Those aren't supposed to be used yet, because they require some central registry to co-ordinate prefixes. That registry isn't available yet, to my knowledge. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Lew Wolfgang wrote:
On 07/04/2017 11:58 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-07-04 16:16, Per Jessen wrote:
James Knott wrote:
Of course, you shouldn't need a dynamic DNS with IPv6, as your prefix should be static and you point the DNS to the MAC based addresses. Is the prefix really meant to be static or is it like IPv4, best efforts? Anyway, they wanted the dyndns for their ipv4 address. I read that some ISP give dynamic IPv6 addresses. In other words, some ISP give dynamic IPs in order to sell at a higher price the fixed addresses. I think every customer line will have a dynamic IPv6 network. It might be virtually fixed over months and years, but still dynamic per definition. An ISP charging for a fixed IPv6 subnet is a silly idea, but people are stupid, so maybe they can sell it.
Remember when I was wrestling with my router last year? I could only get a /64, which is worthless if you've got more than one subnet behind your router.
I don't recall your situation Lew, but splitting up a /64 locally is no big deal.
It's perfectly conceivable for an ISP to charge for a /56, not because the should, but because they can.
Right. I don't see much of a business case myself. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (21.4°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/04/2017 03:23 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
I don't recall your situation Lew, but splitting up a /64 locally is no big deal.
Actually, it breaks SLAAC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6#Stateless_address_autoconfiguration_.28SL... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
James Knott wrote:
On 07/04/2017 03:23 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
I don't recall your situation Lew, but splitting up a /64 locally is no big deal.
Actually, it breaks SLAAC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6#Stateless_address_autoconfiguration_.28SL...
Sure - I would expect anyone subnetting a /64 locally to be clever enough to run DHCP etc. I know of at least one local cable operator in Switzerland that started dishing out /96 long ago. Or /112 even. It was debated quite a bit in the network operator's group. I don't see any real point in it myself. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (18.6°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/05/2017 01:34 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
James Knott wrote:
On 07/04/2017 03:23 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
I don't recall your situation Lew, but splitting up a /64 locally is no big deal. Actually, it breaks SLAAC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6#Stateless_address_autoconfiguration_.28SL...
Sure - I would expect anyone subnetting a /64 locally to be clever enough to run DHCP etc. I know of at least one local cable operator in Switzerland that started dishing out /96 long ago. Or /112 even. It was debated quite a bit in the network operator's group. I don't see any real point in it myself.
Given there are enough /48s to give every person on earth over 5000 of them... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-07-04 21:23, Per Jessen wrote:
Lew Wolfgang wrote:
It's perfectly conceivable for an ISP to charge for a /56, not because the should, but because they can.
Right. I don't see much of a business case myself.
Oh, there is. They are greedy. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-07-04 21:23, Per Jessen wrote:
Lew Wolfgang wrote:
It's perfectly conceivable for an ISP to charge for a /56, not because the should, but because they can.
Right. I don't see much of a business case myself.
Oh, there is. They are greedy.
Greediness != business case. A business case means the costs of setting it up will be covered by the sales, with a profit. I simply don't see enough SOHOs or consumers wanting fixed IPv6 to make it worth an ISPs time. On the next level (bigger companies perhaps), they can get a /32 for about EUR1400/annum. (up to a /29 with no further documentation required). -- Per Jessen, Zürich (18.8°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-07-05 07:39, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-07-04 21:23, Per Jessen wrote:
Lew Wolfgang wrote:
It's perfectly conceivable for an ISP to charge for a /56, not because the should, but because they can.
Right. I don't see much of a business case myself.
Oh, there is. They are greedy.
Greediness != business case. A business case means the costs of setting it up will be covered by the sales, with a profit. I simply don't see enough SOHOs or consumers wanting fixed IPv6 to make it worth an ISPs time. On the next level (bigger companies perhaps), they can get a /32 for about EUR1400/annum. (up to a /29 with no further documentation required).
Time will tell :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 07/05/2017 01:39 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-07-04 21:23, Per Jessen wrote:
Lew Wolfgang wrote:
It's perfectly conceivable for an ISP to charge for a /56, not because the should, but because they can. Right. I don't see much of a business case myself. Oh, there is. They are greedy. Greediness != business case. A business case means the costs of setting it up will be covered by the sales, with a profit. I simply don't see enough SOHOs or consumers wanting fixed IPv6 to make it worth an ISPs time. On the next level (bigger companies perhaps), they can get a /32 for about EUR1400/annum. (up to a /29 with no further documentation required).
All they have to do is honour DUID and the customer has a stable prefix. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-07-04 20:58, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-07-04 16:16, Per Jessen wrote:
James Knott wrote:
Of course, you shouldn't need a dynamic DNS with IPv6, as your prefix should be static and you point the DNS to the MAC based addresses.
Is the prefix really meant to be static or is it like IPv4, best efforts? Anyway, they wanted the dyndns for their ipv4 address.
I read that some ISP give dynamic IPv6 addresses. In other words, some ISP give dynamic IPs in order to sell at a higher price the fixed addresses.
I think every customer line will have a dynamic IPv6 network. It might be virtually fixed over months and years, but still dynamic per definition. An ISP charging for a fixed IPv6 subnet is a silly idea, but people are stupid, so maybe they can sell it.
Oh, Telefonica of Spain is very "clever". At the beginning, they handed out fixed IPv4s. At one moment, they switched to dynamic, and managed to sell that as an improvement. A bit later, they charged for fixed. Yes, they are very "clever". And I read somewhere that the intention is to sell fixed IPv6s. For the moment, they are doing nothing. They did a test somewhere, and the routers they use are IPv6 capable. I have seen no news of the test. And no, I guess the addresses will not be virtually fixed, because resetting the routers is enough to make them change the IPv4 address. My guess is they will do the same thing with IPv6. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
Op 04-07-17 om 15:55 schreef James Knott:
Did they not have IPv4 available too? Of course, you shouldn't need a dynamic DNS with IPv6, as your prefix should be static and you point the DNS to the MAC based addresses.
Can't resist to reply on that : The big two ISP's here in Belgium (Proximus and Telenet) do *NOT* provide a static prefix (at least to consumers). I asked when they would, they answered they won't do it. Now I'm back at EDPnet (a smaller ISP) which did provide a fixed prefix in the past. I don't know if that still is the case, though. I'll have to ask. Koenraad. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/06/2017 08:22 AM, Koenraad Lelong wrote:
Op 04-07-17 om 15:55 schreef James Knott:
Did they not have IPv4 available too? Of course, you shouldn't need a dynamic DNS with IPv6, as your prefix should be static and you point the DNS to the MAC based addresses.
Can't resist to reply on that : The big two ISP's here in Belgium (Proximus and Telenet) do *NOT* provide a static prefix (at least to consumers). I asked when they would, they answered they won't do it. Now I'm back at EDPnet (a smaller ISP) which did provide a fixed prefix in the past. I don't know if that still is the case, though. I'll have to ask.
With consumer IPv6, you can get "static" addresses by using a DUID. The ISP should assign the same prefix to the DUID. This is different from the business users where the address block is specifically assigned to them and routers configured for it. On IPv4, my address is virtually static, in that it doesn't change unless I change hardware. The same applies to the DUID and prefix. If I changed my router, for example, I would get a different DUID and prefix. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DHCPv6#DHCP_Unique_Identifier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-07-06 14:47, James Knott wrote:
On 07/06/2017 08:22 AM, Koenraad Lelong wrote:
Op 04-07-17 om 15:55 schreef James Knott:
Did they not have IPv4 available too? Of course, you shouldn't need a dynamic DNS with IPv6, as your prefix should be static and you point the DNS to the MAC based addresses.
Can't resist to reply on that : The big two ISP's here in Belgium (Proximus and Telenet) do *NOT* provide a static prefix (at least to consumers). I asked when they would, they answered they won't do it. Now I'm back at EDPnet (a smaller ISP) which did provide a fixed prefix in the past. I don't know if that still is the case, though. I'll have to ask.
With consumer IPv6, you can get "static" addresses by using a DUID. The ISP should assign the same prefix to the DUID. This is different from the business users where the address block is specifically assigned to them and routers configured for it. On IPv4, my address is virtually static, in that it doesn't change unless I change hardware. The same applies to the DUID and prefix. If I changed my router, for example, I would get a different DUID and prefix.
My guess: they can do it, but they will not do it. ISPs will prefer to charge extra for anything that results in a static address. Simply because they can do it. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 07/06/2017 12:37 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
My guess: they can do it, but they will not do it. ISPs will prefer to charge extra for anything that results in a static address. Simply because they can do it.
Well, my ISP didn't charge me anything extra for IPv6 or a consistent prefix. In fact, when I changed modems last year, to enable IPv6, my bill (for Internet, TV & home phone) dropped by about $50/month, for pretty much the same services. You must have some really greedy ISPs there, considering IPv6 addresses are so plentiful. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-07-06 18:43, James Knott wrote:
On 07/06/2017 12:37 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
My guess: they can do it, but they will not do it. ISPs will prefer to charge extra for anything that results in a static address. Simply because they can do it.
Well, my ISP didn't charge me anything extra for IPv6 or a consistent prefix. In fact, when I changed modems last year, to enable IPv6, my bill (for Internet, TV & home phone) dropped by about $50/month, for pretty much the same services.
You must have some really greedy ISPs there, considering IPv6 addresses are so plentiful.
Indeed. I switched to fibre perhaps two years ago, I don't remember. I'm still paying a concept that is maintenance of the copper pair inside the and outside the house, including terminals - now moot on fibre. I have asked the company to remove that concept from my invoice. They say yes, of course, but a year later and several calls they keep doing it. Similarly for dropping the line from my holiday apartment. Another year and several calls. Yes, they are greedy. Most of the technical staff was fired, and instead they hired commercials. Everything is contracted externally, to people with no responsibility and no love for a well done job. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 2017-07-06 18:50, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-07-06 18:43, James Knott wrote:
On 07/06/2017 12:37 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
My guess: they can do it, but they will not do it. ISPs will prefer to charge extra for anything that results in a static address. Simply because they can do it.
Well, my ISP didn't charge me anything extra for IPv6 or a consistent prefix. In fact, when I changed modems last year, to enable IPv6, my bill (for Internet, TV & home phone) dropped by about $50/month, for pretty much the same services.
You must have some really greedy ISPs there, considering IPv6 addresses are so plentiful.
Indeed.
I switched to fibre perhaps two years ago, I don't remember. I'm still paying a concept that is maintenance of the copper pair inside the and outside the house, including terminals - now moot on fibre. I have asked the company to remove that concept from my invoice. They say yes, of course, but a year later and several calls they keep doing it.
Similarly for dropping the line from my holiday apartment. Another year and several calls.
Yes, they are greedy.
Correction, the maintenance service was indeed removed, but the monthly fee increased again so that I do not see the drop. They are also charging me about 1€/month for the call ID, and another for unconditional redirect service. Correction, 1.6€ each service. I think I will request a drop of speed from 300 to 100... :-/ -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
James Knott wrote:
On 07/06/2017 12:37 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
My guess: they can do it, but they will not do it. ISPs will prefer to charge extra for anything that results in a static address. Simply because they can do it.
Well, my ISP didn't charge me anything extra for IPv6 or a consistent prefix. In fact, when I changed modems last year, to enable IPv6, my bill (for Internet, TV & home phone) dropped by about $50/month, for pretty much the same services.
You must have some really greedy ISPs there, considering IPv6 addresses are so plentiful.
Perhaps in a telecomms market as restricted as the Spanish appear to be. Liberalisation seems to be decades behind. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (31.4°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Op 06-07-17 om 14:22 schreef Koenraad Lelong:
Op 04-07-17 om 15:55 schreef James Knott:
Did they not have IPv4 available too? Of course, you shouldn't need a dynamic DNS with IPv6, as your prefix should be static and you point the DNS to the MAC based addresses.
Can't resist to reply on that : The big two ISP's here in Belgium (Proximus and Telenet) do *NOT* provide a static prefix (at least to consumers). I asked when they would, they answered they won't do it. Now I'm back at EDPnet (a smaller ISP) which did provide a fixed prefix in the past. I don't know if that still is the case, though. I'll have to ask.
Koenraad.
Hi, I just asked. They state : since I have a dynamic ipv4-address, I have also a dynamic ipv6 prefix. But then I rebooted my modem. I got a new ipv4 address, but the ipv6 prefix is the same. It's also the same prefix since I got ipv6 a few weeks ago. So, what am I to believe ? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/06/2017 03:20 PM, Koenraad Lelong wrote:
Op 06-07-17 om 14:22 schreef Koenraad Lelong:
Op 04-07-17 om 15:55 schreef James Knott:
Did they not have IPv4 available too? Of course, you shouldn't need a dynamic DNS with IPv6, as your prefix should be static and you point the DNS to the MAC based addresses.
Can't resist to reply on that : The big two ISP's here in Belgium (Proximus and Telenet) do *NOT* provide a static prefix (at least to consumers). I asked when they would, they answered they won't do it. Now I'm back at EDPnet (a smaller ISP) which did provide a fixed prefix in the past. I don't know if that still is the case, though. I'll have to ask.
Koenraad.
Hi, I just asked. They state : since I have a dynamic ipv4-address, I have also a dynamic ipv6 prefix. But then I rebooted my modem. I got a new ipv4 address, but the ipv6 prefix is the same. It's also the same prefix since I got ipv6 a few weeks ago. So, what am I to believe ?
I wouldn't be surprised if they're using DUID to keep your prefix consistent. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
James Knott wrote:
On 07/06/2017 03:20 PM, Koenraad Lelong wrote:
Op 06-07-17 om 14:22 schreef Koenraad Lelong:
Op 04-07-17 om 15:55 schreef James Knott:
Did they not have IPv4 available too? Of course, you shouldn't need a dynamic DNS with IPv6, as your prefix should be static and you point the DNS to the MAC based addresses.
Can't resist to reply on that : The big two ISP's here in Belgium (Proximus and Telenet) do *NOT* provide a static prefix (at least to consumers). I asked when they would, they answered they won't do it. Now I'm back at EDPnet (a smaller ISP) which did provide a fixed prefix in the past. I don't know if that still is the case, though. I'll have to ask.
Koenraad.
Hi, I just asked. They state : since I have a dynamic ipv4-address, I have also a dynamic ipv6 prefix. But then I rebooted my modem. I got a new ipv4 address, but the ipv6 prefix is the same. It's also the same prefix since I got ipv6 a few weeks ago. So, what am I to believe ?
That they dish out addresses and try to give you the same one, when possible. Best effort policy.
I wouldn't be surprised if they're using DUID to keep your prefix consistent.
The DUID is certainly used in a DHCP6 setup, it seems reasonable that it should also be used for dishing out an ipv6 prefix. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (21.4°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Op maandag 3 juli 2017 23:13:11 CEST schreef James Knott:
On 07/03/2017 05:06 PM, Freek de Kruijf wrote:
Op maandag 3 juli 2017 22:05:25 CEST schreef James Knott:
On 07/03/2017 03:33 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
James Knott wrote:
I just noticed there's no way to manually assign an IPv6 static address in Yast Network Settings. It is possible to assign an IPv4 address. Is there something I'm missing? This is in openSUSE 42.2. Maybe it's time for some things to be updated.
I've been doing that at least since 12.3 - I don't see any problem, nor in Leap 42x. You assign a static IPv6 address the same way as an IPv4. Maybe a screenshot would help us understand where you see the problem?
Here's the screenshot on Google Drive. Notice it says IPv4 Address. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5LapMwk8iPrT09jQTZoUGYxaDQ
Just enter an IPv6 address in the IP address field.
That appears to work.
The label is no longer used, but does not do any harm.
Like I said, some things need to be updated. ;-)
Do like Freek: step up start improving stuff. -- Gertjan Lettink, a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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