[opensuse] imap, thunderbird and roundcube
Hello, I have a curious problem with my mails. I have my own server with openSUSE (13.1), postfix, roundcube and imap/dovecot In Ropundcube, I have a "sent" folder and an "sent-archive" folder where I sorted the old sent mails by year in thunderbird, with the very same account, I only have one sent folder with all the mails in it. how is this possible? thanks jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sat, 11 Apr 2015 13:16:39 +0200 jdd jdd wrote:
Hello,
I have a curious problem with my mails.
I have my own server with openSUSE (13.1), postfix, roundcube and imap/dovecot
In Ropundcube, I have a "sent" folder and an "sent-archive" folder where I sorted the old sent mails by year
in thunderbird, with the very same account, I only have one sent folder with all the mails in it.
how is this possible?
thanks jdd
Hi jdd, Can't you select in TB which folders you want to subscribe to? regards, Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 11/04/2015 13:53, Carl Hartung a écrit :
Can't you select in TB which folders you want to subscribe to?
may be there where something like this -I beg I created the folders on the webmail- I just had to open the thunderbird dialog to have the folders updated -not even necessary to subscibe (I'm the only user, so subscribe to all) thanks jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/11/2015 08:46 AM, jdd wrote:
not even necessary to subscibe
In Thunderbird it *IS* necessary to subscribe to 'other' folders. I know this because I've set up a scheme similar to what you describe but for 'people' rather than year. Actually I have many accounts and on mailing list accounts like this one, yes I do archive by year as you describe. And YES USING THUNDERBIRD YOU HAVE TO EXPLICITLY SUBSCRIBE TO THOSE FOLDERS. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 11/04/2015 15:32, Anton Aylward a écrit :
On 04/11/2015 08:46 AM, jdd wrote:
not even necessary to subscibe
In Thunderbird it *IS* necessary to subscribe to 'other' folders.
when I openned the tool windows, the subsciption was already ticked. the main folder was only a folder to contain other folders (not possible to subcribe it). my guess is that I made the subsciption on the web mail (or have it done by roundcube), but th didn't see it until I openned the dialog. but I can't make test right now, I'm on the work of writing my presentation to osc15 :-) thanks jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/11/2015 09:36 AM, jdd wrote:
Le 11/04/2015 15:32, Anton Aylward a écrit :
On 04/11/2015 08:46 AM, jdd wrote:
not even necessary to subscibe
In Thunderbird it *IS* necessary to subscribe to 'other' folders.
when I openned the tool windows, the subsciption was already ticked.
DUH? Its not under the tools folder, its on a per account basis. To be fair, having done a google search, there is a LOT of outdated information about this. Some of it seems MS-Windows centric as well. This is the only article I found that comes close to the version of Thunderbird I've been using this year. I currently have T'Bird 31.6, but this has been the way it works from the 20-something under Linux. Of course you may have plugins/extensions that you haven't told us about which alter things. http://kb.siteground.com/how_to_subscribe_to_an_imap_folder_with_thunderbird... Please note: nothing to do with "Tools" and everything to do with the accounts in the left pane in 3-pane mode. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 11/04/2015 15:54, Anton Aylward a écrit :
Its not under the tools folder, its on a per account basis.
being french, I have no tool folder... but "tool" is a generic word. I open this window (right clic on the account, subscribe), and I found it exactly like this: http://dodin.org/owncloud/index.php/s/ZZ75qzDhv81bXQR jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/11/2015 10:09 AM, jdd wrote:
Le 11/04/2015 15:54, Anton Aylward a écrit :
Its not under the tools folder, its on a per account basis.
being french, I have no tool folder... but "tool" is a generic word.
It is also an item, in English, on the main menu bar. Which is how i interpreted your comment.
I open this window (right clic on the account, subscribe), and I found it exactly like this:
I don't read French but that looks like what I was thinking of. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Hallo Anton, op 11-04-15 om 15:32 schreef je:
On 04/11/2015 08:46 AM, jdd wrote:
not even necessary to subscibe
In Thunderbird it *IS* necessary to subscribe to 'other' folders.
It isn't.
I know this because I've set up a scheme similar to what you describe but for 'people' rather than year.
Actually I have many accounts and on mailing list accounts like this one, yes I do archive by year as you describe.
And YES USING THUNDERBIRD YOU HAVE TO EXPLICITLY SUBSCRIBE TO THOSE FOLDERS.
Not! ;-) When you make a directory "foo", you are immediately subscribed to "foo". When you move a message to the archive for the first time, it is placed in a new directory. It has the name of the month, or the year, or 'other' - this depends on your preferences/options for archives. And yes, you are immediately subscribed to them. So Anton, obviously there is a not so obvious difference between your Thunderbird (setup) and mine... Could it depend on the mailserver? Harrie -- Harrie Baken | Tekstbureau TekstBaken Copy-editing - proofreading (Dutch) www.tekstbaken.nl Registered Linux user #366560 | openSUSE 13.2 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/11/2015 10:21 AM, Harrie Baken wrote:
So Anton, obviously there is a not so obvious difference between your Thunderbird (setup) and mine... Could it depend on the mailserver?
Quite possibly. I "automagically" get subscribed to inbox, sent, sent, drafts. on some account there is, again "automagically" an 'archives' folder created, but not with all my ISP/accounts. As I said, if I create a "People" folder and the names of people in sub-folders under that I have to quite explicitly enable each of them. I have one ISP that "automagically" ages my inbox to 'old messages'. Again, I have to explicitly enable that if I want to see it. So it seems to depend on what the ISP considers 'default' whether things like trash, junk and archives are present at all! One idiot ISP has both "Drafts" and "Draft" ! -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 11/04/2015 17:24, Anton Aylward a écrit :
One idiot ISP has both "Drafts" and "Draft" !
and sometime the like in other languages... but in my case it't not the case (I'm my own ISP). in the case we are discussing, the folders where created by hand, on roundcube (or squirrelmail, I have the two ones and don't remember), and probably subscribed on line, but not seen by thunderbird before I openned the windows seen on the published photo. but there are other weird things: I have an option in thunderbird to spread the automatic archive by date. This do not works (not even in th). Also I see in roundcube inbox files that are already deleted (they are greyed out http://dodin.org/owncloud/index.php/s/h9BK4DuOCDZqkGA you can see both in inbox and trashcan in fact these are mails deleted but not purged. They desapear completely if I "compact folders" in thunderbird. not a big deal jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/11/2015 01:11 PM, jdd wrote:
Le 11/04/2015 17:24, Anton Aylward a écrit :
One idiot ISP has both "Drafts" and "Draft" !
and sometime the like in other languages...
but in my case it't not the case (I'm my own ISP).
Er, no, not absolutely. You are using, you said, dovecote. that's OTS, not something you created. There's a 'standardization' to dovecote.
in the case we are discussing, the folders where created by hand,
in other words they were not default, or "automagically" created by the IPS(software)
roundcube (or squirrelmail, I have the two ones and don't remember), and probably subscribed on line, but not seen by thunderbird before I openned the windows seen on the published photo.
but there are other weird things: I have an option in thunderbird to spread the automatic archive by date. This do not works (not even in th).
Dunno. I see it on one and only one non-local account and it goes back to the beginning of the century, long before I created that account. I hold the ISP (or ISP's software or something specific about they way the configured it) to be responsible for this. Funny, another account at the same ISP doesn't have it. Or maybe you have to do something that triggers it. Ah, yes right, right click on the message then on 'Archive". Magic! But how does ... Oh, I see, if the message is from (I imported) the last century, then of course archive is by date.
in fact these are mails deleted but not purged. They disappear completely if I "compact folders" in thunderbird.
That, too, is a setting. You can have them disappear immediately or be moved to a trash folder, or you can specify where they get moved to on 'delete'. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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Le 11/04/2015 17:24, Anton Aylward a écrit :
One idiot ISP has both "Drafts" and "Draft" !
It may not be the ISP, but the clients used. And one of the clients is the webmail of the ISP. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlUpiI4ACgkQja8UbcUWM1yNcgEAn44gPJWDbFNAzOh5nVwvVgrW Afgw0DwVQSoVvN2WHgIA/1iuLC4P7mprarEUh303+1MyhIXOe+OUgjVLFKxj8f8E =EbHJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/11/2015 04:48 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2015-04-11 19:11, jdd wrote:
Le 11/04/2015 17:24, Anton Aylward a écrit :
One idiot ISP has both "Drafts" and "Draft" !
It may not be the ISP, but the clients used. And one of the clients is the webmail of the ISP.
I don't think so. I don't use webmail. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-04-11 22:50, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 04/11/2015 04:48 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2015-04-11 19:11, jdd wrote:
Le 11/04/2015 17:24, Anton Aylward a écrit :
One idiot ISP has both "Drafts" and "Draft" !
It may not be the ISP, but the clients used. And one of the clients is the webmail of the ISP.
I don't think so. I don't use webmail.
Me neither, but the ISPs usually set it up. Before you connect the first time, you get a default set of folders. Then Thunderbird creates its own set, kmail another, etc. And the folders name can be localized in different languages, case or spelling if the clients you use do it that way. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlUpi1AACgkQja8UbcUWM1wvWgEAhyD3cfC4HZdvgiZWKFnBaj6d pUFaZsOom2SXrGmXGbsA/2rVq02Xb6UPeyOsV/rJAsXwniBG0fSfWYdS6gNb5I41 =CWHM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 11/04/2015 23:00, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
On 2015-04-11 22:50, Anton Aylward wrote:
I don't think so. I don't use webmail.
Me neither, but the ISPs usually set it up. Before you connect the
I usually don't, but two days ago I had to send a mail from a computer that's not mine and had no other solution (no other network connection, not even cell phone one :-) so I discovered the problem :-) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-04-11 16:21, Harrie Baken wrote:
When you make a directory "foo", you are immediately subscribed to "foo".
If you create it with Th., yes. If you create it with another tool Th., knows noting about it or ignores it. In the case of Dovecot, the subscriptions are stored in a plain text folder stored at the root of each account, named ".subscriptions". It is not a local Thunderbird configuration, but global (for all clients of the same account). Some clients display all folders, subscribed or not (Pine). - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlUph54ACgkQja8UbcUWM1x/tQD/YSYhmIj0Q2yogXjE0u7SiNvc oQhU166928qMerKqdPEA/jR2z1Yxok7mMmTgUtuOyyWDXDFV5b7kg+P4u0G8yf5e =V1FB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2015-04-11 16:21, Harrie Baken wrote:
When you make a directory "foo", you are immediately subscribed to "foo".
If you create it with Th., yes. If you create it with another tool Th., knows noting about it or ignores it.
You just have subscribe manually, that's all. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (13.1°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/12/2015 05:09 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
You just have subscribe manually, that's all.
... And its "bleedin' obvious, ain't it" so why are we wasting e-ink on this? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
jdd wrote:
In Ropundcube, I have a "sent" folder and an "sent-archive" folder where I sorted the old sent mails by year
in thunderbird, with the very same account, I only have one sent folder with all the mails in it.
how is this possible?
There's another possible answer to this question other than TB's subscription settings: virtual folders. Outhouse(look) has them and I thought TB-3+ had them -- where you can describe a folder via a 'filter', and it appears in the folder list as a normal folder (likely with some decoration). (Hmmm....what's roundcube?...) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 16/04/2015 23:14, Linda Walsh a écrit :
jdd wrote:
In Ropundcube, I have a "sent" folder and an "sent-archive" folder where I sorted the old sent mails by year
in thunderbird, with the very same account, I only have one sent folder with all the mails in it.
how is this possible?
There's another possible answer to this question other than TB's subscription settings: virtual folders.
Outhouse(look) has them and I thought TB-3+ had them -- where you can describe a folder via a 'filter', and it appears in the folder list as a normal folder (likely with some decoration).
no idea what it is :-(
(Hmmm....what's roundcube?...)
a webmail. I used squirrellmail, but squir have (had?) encoding problems, so I installed roundcube http://roundcube.net/ but the problem, here, is that there are at least three software involved: postfix, dovecot (the imap server) and roundcube... jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/11/2015 06:16 AM, jdd wrote:
I have my own server with openSUSE (13.1), postfix, roundcube and imap/dovecot
jdd, Be particular about your roundcube setup and particular about the directory permissions. roundcube is a favorite webapp to exploit by the bad guys. For a while it was so full of holes with was looked upon with skepticism. It has probably gotten much tighter, but be aware it will be probed repeatedly for weaknesses. (squirrelmail has been a good alternative if you have problems with roundcube (svn version)) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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