[opensuse] [OT] British time
Perhaps someone in Great Britain will explain to me the usage "half eight" with regard to time. In German, "halb Acht" would mean 7:30. What does it mean in British English? Thanx to you who permit me to ask this OT question. --doug Blessed are the peacemakers ... for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M. Greeley -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 01 December 2007 06:24:14 Doug McGarrett wrote:
Perhaps someone in Great Britain will explain to me the usage "half eight" with regard to time. In German, "halb Acht" would mean 7:30. What does it mean in British English? half (past) eight = 0830 (or 2030). -- Andrew Johnson
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Doug McGarrett wrote:
Perhaps someone in Great Britain will explain to me the usage "half eight" with regard to time. In German, "halb Acht" would mean 7:30. What does it mean in British English?
Not sure about British English, but in math, half(eight) would equal four. *ducking* -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Doug McGarrett wrote:
Perhaps someone in Great Britain will explain to me the usage "half eight" with regard to time. In German, "halb Acht" would mean 7:30. What does it mean in British English?
Not sure about British English, but in math, half(eight) would equal four.
*ducking*
In the UK, "half eight" = 8:30 -- Tony Alfrey tonyalfrey@earthlink.net "I'd Rather Be Sailing" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 02 December 2007 18:21, Tony Alfrey wrote:
Not sure about British English, but in math, half(eight) would equal four.
*ducking*
In the UK, "half eight" = 8:30
IOTW: Two and a half hours before closing time. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 03 December 2007 03:32:22 Kai Ponte wrote:
On Sunday 02 December 2007 18:21, Tony Alfrey wrote:
Not sure about British English, but in math, half(eight) would equal four.
*ducking*
In the UK, "half eight" = 8:30
IOTW: Two and a half hours before closing time.
Outdated joke. Since 2005, people in England are free to get hammered 24 hours a day -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 03 December 2007, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Monday 03 December 2007 03:32:22 Kai Ponte wrote:
On Sunday 02 December 2007 18:21, Tony Alfrey wrote:
Not sure about British English, but in math, half(eight) would equal four.
*ducking*
In the UK, "half eight" = 8:30
IOTW: Two and a half hours before closing time.
Outdated joke. Since 2005, people in England are free to get hammered 24 hours a day
-- Madness takes its toll
yea great :-( .. Try living opposite a darn pub with extended opening hours it's a real darling taxi drivers that cant be bothered to got off there fat ar**s just sit outside with hand on horn button till there punter hears them , Cars get trashed by drunken drug infested morons . I have even seen one antisocial life form climb on the roof of a car and having a dump on the windscreen gee thanks pal . Close all pubs at 21:30 hours full stop . -- SuSE Linux 10.3-Alpha3. (Linux is like a wigwam - no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-12-03 at 16:26 -0000, peter nikolic wrote: ...
Close all pubs at 21:30 hours full stop .
No thanks! Then they will come to Spain on weekend booze non stop parties en masse! :-P - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHVGUdtTMYHG2NR9URAiL+AJ9jvQKMC2cdEVItak4eK5yosraM7gCghhpO NQFDxE6IvJ7SrSoVZlFF9k0= =cF/I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 03 December 2007 20:20:35 Carlos E. R. wrote:
No thanks! Then they will come to Spain on weekend booze non stop parties en masse! :-P That's one very good reason for slapping extra 'green' taxes on flights.
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On Monday 03 December 2007 15:47, Andrew Johnson wrote:
On Monday 03 December 2007 20:20:35 Carlos E. R. wrote:
No thanks! Then they will come to Spain on weekend booze non stop parties en masse!
:-P
That's one very good reason for slapping extra 'green' taxes on flights.
True, but western Europe is so tiny, they'll just take the train.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-12-03 at 15:53 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
No thanks! Then they will come to Spain on weekend booze non stop parties en masse!
:-P
That's one very good reason for slapping extra 'green' taxes on flights.
True, but western Europe is so tiny, they'll just take the train.
X'-) I don't think that would be feasible for a weekend. There is a train under the Channel, which I don't know how fast it is. Then they may take a TGV from Paris to the south... but the AVE from Barcelona to the north I don't know if it is still only on paper or under construction. A day traveling, at best, maybe two, and they'd be so travel tired that I don't think they would be on the mood for more booze. :-P And we didn't take into account the lunch expenses on the train, they may compensate for the flight taxes. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHVKNOtTMYHG2NR9URAvfkAJ9cgOunBNYjq6XetK0RsYInH5ySvACfS/RJ C6T3W6JOqdW7Hj/PWtnpDto= =HEdA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 03 December 2007 12:20, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Monday 2007-12-03 at 16:26 -0000, peter nikolic wrote:
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Close all pubs at 21:30 hours full stop .
No thanks! Then they will come to Spain on weekend booze non stop parties en masse! :-P
You know, this reminds me of Wisconsin (my home state) and Illinois. When I was growing up, Wisconsin's drinking age for beer was 18 (21 for other alcohol), while Illinois, just to the south (with Chicago near the northeast corner of the state) had a 21 minimum age for _all_ alcoholic beverages. There used to be ongoing vehicular carnage in the zone between southeastern Wisconsin and northeaster Illinois with kids from Illinois driving up to Wisconsin on weekends to party. Finally, in part under pressure from Illinois citizens and legislators, Wisconsin changed its drinking age to 21 for all alcoholic beverages.
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-12-03 at 16:05 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote: ...
from Illinois driving up to Wisconsin on weekends to party. Finally, in part under pressure from Illinois citizens and legislators, Wisconsin changed its drinking age to 21 for all alcoholic beverages.
Here (Spain) the... how do you say? the age to be of age? Ok, they are adults at 18, for all things: driving, drinking, voting, owning property, marrying, going to prisons (as inmates)... I believe there are some exceptions, like heavy load, dangerous substances (like gasoline), driving, that require two or three years of previous heavy load driving, I think. You can not drive a car not being of age, not even accompanied. And a few years back there was no minimum drinking age. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHVKYAtTMYHG2NR9URAuXDAKCG/NiaA+N4nt8esabAPa4FasGoJwCeMKOJ lZdM1bd6qvVDupCc1MVdfxM= =51Xc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 03 December 2007 16:57, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Monday 2007-12-03 at 16:05 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
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from Illinois driving up to Wisconsin on weekends to party. Finally, in part under pressure from Illinois citizens and legislators, Wisconsin changed its drinking age to 21 for all alcoholic beverages.
Here (Spain) the... how do you say? the age to be of age? Ok, they are adults at 18, for all things: driving, drinking, voting, owning property, marrying, going to prisons (as inmates)... I believe there are some exceptions, like heavy load, dangerous substances (like gasoline), driving, that require two or three years of previous heavy load driving, I think. You can not drive a car not being of age, not even accompanied.
Well, among the many ways in which the U.S. of A. (the best damned country ever or even possible, of course) is ... "confused" is the age of majority vs. the age at which one can legally purchase and consume alcohol. The age of majority, at which one is deemed able to give full consent, vote and be held to (almost) all standards of adulthood is 18. But one may not buy alcoholic beverages until one reaches age 21. What's more, we allow judges to decide whether minors may be tried (and sentenced) in criminal proceedings as adults. In fact, the age of majority in the U.S. was lowered from 21 to 18 under the argument that if you could be conscripted into military service at age 18, you should be made a full member of society at the same time. We've since suspended (though not truly eliminated) the draft, but the age of majority remains 18 and the legal drinking age remains 21. (Neuroscience, by the way, is now discovering that many parts of the brain, including those associated with moral agency, do not mature fully until one's later 20s!)
And a few years back there was no minimum drinking age.
Well, everyone knows Europeans countries and peoples are, as societies, adults, while the U.S.A. remains at best an adolescent. An adolescent with too much money, a charge card and very dangerous toys... Who knows how to classify the officially theocratic states...
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-12-03 at 17:35 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Well, among the many ways in which the U.S. of A. (the best damned country ever or even possible, of course) is ... "confused" is the age of majority vs. the age at which one can legally purchase and consume alcohol. The age of majority, at which one is deemed able to give full consent, vote and be held to (almost) all standards of adulthood is 18. But one may not buy alcoholic beverages until one reaches age 21.
Curious! :-)
(Neuroscience, by the way, is now discovering that many parts of the brain, including those associated with moral agency, do not mature fully until one's later 20s!)
Not surprising... which is probably one reason why best soldiers are so young, and politicians want to lower the voting age.
And a few years back there was no minimum drinking age.
Well, everyone knows Europeans countries and peoples are, as societies, adults, while the U.S.A. remains at best an adolescent. An adolescent with too much money, a charge card and very dangerous toys...
X'-) No, we Europeans are very varied, you find us in all kinds. Older, maybe, but we can and we are pretty daft often. But that would be entering politics, and that is an off topic I do not wish to enter: too controversial. - From the humorous comment on drinking sprees and drinking age we drifted into politics, so I think we should stop ourselves here ;-) So, back into drinking habits. When I was a kid (12?), the telly announced a wine that improved appetite (Vino Santa Catalina, I think). And it was given to kids. They tried it on me... and I found it gagging. So I grew skinny :-p Another one. Babies were given one of those rubber things to suck and shut up (I don't know the English name), which some people humidified with "anís" (anisette in French, perhaps), an alcoholic beverage very sweet with aniseed flavor. So the baby would shut up faster. Of course, parents doing that now would go to court or something. How times change! - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHVMe8tTMYHG2NR9URAvlNAJsF4fQfL83yFdf3Ax4UwtLhWjUjRwCfZerX zfM4jxZwQY2mMfsrkjKtMEY= =4pex -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Carlos E. R. pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
The Monday 2007-12-03 at 17:35 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Well, among the many ways in which the U.S. of A. (the best damned country ever or even possible, of course) is ... "confused" is the age of majority vs. the age at which one can legally purchase and consume alcohol. The age of majority, at which one is deemed able to give full consent, vote and be held to (almost) all standards of adulthood is 18. But one may not buy alcoholic beverages until one reaches age 21.
Curious! :-)
(Neuroscience, by the way, is now discovering that many parts of the brain, including those associated with moral agency, do not mature fully until one's later 20s!)
Not surprising... which is probably one reason why best soldiers are so young, and politicians want to lower the voting age.
And a few years back there was no minimum drinking age.
Well, everyone knows Europeans countries and peoples are, as societies, adults, while the U.S.A. remains at best an adolescent. An adolescent with too much money, a charge card and very dangerous toys...
X'-)
No, we Europeans are very varied, you find us in all kinds. Older, maybe, but we can and we are pretty daft often. But that would be entering politics, and that is an off topic I do not wish to enter: too controversial.
- From the humorous comment on drinking sprees and drinking age we drifted into politics, so I think we should stop ourselves here ;-)
So, back into drinking habits.
When I was a kid (12?), the telly announced a wine that improved appetite (Vino Santa Catalina, I think). And it was given to kids. They tried it on me... and I found it gagging. So I grew skinny :-p
Another one.
Babies were given one of those rubber things to suck and shut up (I don't know the English name)
pacifier
, which some people humidified with "anís" (anisette in French, perhaps), an alcoholic beverage very sweet with aniseed flavor. So the baby would shut up faster.
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"Ken" == Ken Schneider <suse-list3@bout-tyme.net> writes:
Ken> Carlos E. R. pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
Babies were given one of those rubber things to suck and shut up (I don't know the English name)
Ken> pacifier That is the American name; in English it is called a Dummy
, which some people humidified with "anís" (anisette in French, perhaps), an alcoholic beverage very sweet with aniseed flavor. So the baby would shut up faster.
Offering poppy seeds to suck replaced the earlier method of gin. ==John ffitch "This research is of insufficient standard" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
jpff wrote:
"Ken" == Ken Schneider <suse-list3@bout-tyme.net> writes:
Ken> Carlos E. R. pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
Babies were given one of those rubber things to suck and shut up (I don't know the English name)
Ken> pacifier
That is the American name; in English it is called a Dummy
I thought that referred to the president. ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org <http://www.openoffice.org> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
James Knott wrote:
jpff wrote:
That is the American name; in English it is called a Dummy
I thought that referred to the president. ;-) But England doesn't have a president... :-)
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On Mon, 2007-12-03 at 17:35 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Monday 03 December 2007 16:57, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Monday 2007-12-03 at 16:05 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
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from Illinois driving up to Wisconsin on weekends to party. Finally, in part under pressure from Illinois citizens and legislators, Wisconsin changed its drinking age to 21 for all alcoholic beverages.
Here (Spain) the... how do you say? the age to be of age? Ok, they are adults at 18, for all things: driving, drinking, voting, owning property, marrying, going to prisons (as inmates)... I believe there are some exceptions, like heavy load, dangerous substances (like gasoline), driving, that require two or three years of previous heavy load driving, I think. You can not drive a car not being of age, not even accompanied.
Well, among the many ways in which the U.S. of A. (the best damned country ever or even possible, of course) is ... "confused" is the age of majority vs. the age at which one can legally purchase and consume alcohol. The age of majority, at which one is deemed able to give full consent, vote and be held to (almost) all standards of adulthood is 18. But one may not buy alcoholic beverages until one reaches age 21.
What's more, we allow judges to decide whether minors may be tried (and sentenced) in criminal proceedings as adults.
In fact, the age of majority in the U.S. was lowered from 21 to 18 under the argument that if you could be conscripted into military service at age 18, you should be made a full member of society at the same time. We've since suspended (though not truly eliminated) the draft, but the age of majority remains 18 and the legal drinking age remains 21.
(Neuroscience, by the way, is now discovering that many parts of the brain, including those associated with moral agency, do not mature fully until one's later 20s!)
And a few years back there was no minimum drinking age.
Well, everyone knows Europeans countries and peoples are, as societies, adults, while the U.S.A. remains at best an adolescent. An adolescent with too much money, a charge card and very dangerous toys...
Who knows how to classify the officially theocratic states...
-- Cheers,
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On Tuesday 04 December 2007 01:57, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Here (Spain) the... how do you say? the age to be of age? Ok, they are adults at 18, for all things: driving, drinking, voting, owning property, marrying, going to prisons (as inmates)... I believe there are some exceptions, like heavy load, dangerous substances (like gasoline), driving, that require two or three years of previous heavy load driving, I think. You can not drive a car not being of age, not even accompanied.
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Hi I live in the Netherlands, and we can drink beer and buy weed at 16. We have to wait to 18 to drive though. I would say this is a good sequence. The "drinking till you drop" has been tried before you are allowed to drive a car, and everyone knows where their limits are by then. Most do not care about these limits, but they know the effects of alcohol. Then again: my country is so small you can reach about everyone while walking backwards on your hands on broken glass while blindfolded, so there is no great need to be allowed to drive a car between 16 and 18. I do not know enough of neuroscience to say wether it's wise to drink a shitload at 16. It apears to be wise to be allowed to buy weed. The Carver (something in between a motorcicle and a car) is verry cool and could only be invented in a country where weed is allowed (Top Gear said it). Neil On Dec 4, 2007 4:24 PM, James Hatridge <James.Hatridge@gmx.de> wrote:
On Tuesday 04 December 2007 01:57, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Here (Spain) the... how do you say? the age to be of age? Ok, they are adults at 18, for all things: driving, drinking, voting, owning property, marrying, going to prisons (as inmates)... I believe there are some exceptions, like heavy load, dangerous substances (like gasoline), driving, that require two or three years of previous heavy load driving, I think. You can not drive a car not being of age, not even accompanied.
I got my first driving license at 14 in Arkansas.
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On Tue, 2007-12-04 at 16:45 +0100, Neil wrote:
Hi
I live in the Netherlands, and we can drink beer and buy weed at 16. We have to wait to 18 to drive though. I would say this is a good sequence. The "drinking till you drop" has been tried before you are allowed to drive a car, and everyone knows where their limits are by then. Most do not care about these limits, but they know the effects of alcohol. Then again: my country is so small you can reach about everyone while walking backwards on your hands on broken glass while blindfolded, so there is no great need to be allowed to drive a car between 16 and 18. I do not know enough of neuroscience to say wether it's wise to drink a shitload at 16. It apears to be wise to be allowed to buy weed. The Carver (something in between a motorcicle and a car) is verry cool and could only be invented in a country where weed is allowed (Top Gear said it).
Neil
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On Tuesday 04 December 2007 07:45, Neil wrote:
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I live in the Netherlands, ...
Every year that goes by I regret more and more not accepting the job offer that Philips (Apeldorn) made to me in the late 80s. RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2007-12-04 at 07:56 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Tuesday 04 December 2007 07:45, Neil wrote:
Hi
I live in the Netherlands, ...
Every year that goes by I regret more and more not accepting the job offer that Philips (Apeldorn) made to me in the late 80s.
Don't. If you did accept it, there is a more than fair chance you would be out of a job and got a drinking-habbit It a nice country I live in: Last couple of weeks it was several times in the news that a bunch of yougsters attended a drinking party and went on untill they pass out. Kids of 12 years old. Permanent brain damage. I would almost opt for the Scandinavian mechanism: extremely strict and horrible expensive. hw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On Tue, 2007-12-04 at 07:56 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Tuesday 04 December 2007 07:45, Neil wrote:
Hi
I live in the Netherlands, ...
Every year that goes by I regret more and more not accepting the job offer that Philips (Apeldorn) made to me in the late 80s.
Don't.
If you did accept it, there is a more than fair chance you would be out of a job and got a drinking-habbit
It a nice country I live in: Last couple of weeks it was several times in the news that a bunch of yougsters attended a drinking party and went on untill they pass out. Kids of 12 years old. Permanent brain damage.
I would almost opt for the Scandinavian mechanism: extremely strict and horrible expensive.
JOOI, I looked this up: http://www.eurocare.org/profiles/index.html http://www.eurocare.org/pdf/profiles/netherlands/netherlands.pdf http://www.eurocare.org/pdf/profiles/norway.pdf http://www.eurocare.org/pdf/profiles/finland.pdf http://www.eurocare.org/pdf/profiles/sweden.pdf http://www.eurocare.org/pdf/profiles/uk.pdf The rate of boozing does seem to be higher in the Netherlands. It's higher even than in the UK, though it did start out a lot lower. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 04 December 2007 16:38, Russell Jones wrote:
Hans Witvliet wrote:
On Tue, 2007-12-04 at 07:56 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Tuesday 04 December 2007 07:45, Neil wrote:
Hi
I live in the Netherlands, ...
Every year that goes by I regret more and more not accepting the job offer that Philips (Apeldorn) made to me in the late 80s.
Don't.
If you did accept it, there is a more than fair chance you would be out of a job and got a drinking-habbit
It a nice country I live in: Last couple of weeks it was several times in the news that a bunch of yougsters attended a drinking party and went on untill they pass out. Kids of 12 years old. Permanent brain damage.
I would almost opt for the Scandinavian mechanism: extremely strict and horrible expensive.
JOOI, I looked this up: http://www.eurocare.org/profiles/index.html
http://www.eurocare.org/pdf/profiles/netherlands/netherlands.pdf http://www.eurocare.org/pdf/profiles/norway.pdf http://www.eurocare.org/pdf/profiles/finland.pdf http://www.eurocare.org/pdf/profiles/sweden.pdf http://www.eurocare.org/pdf/profiles/uk.pdf
The rate of boozing does seem to be higher in the Netherlands. It's higher even than in the UK, though it did start out a lot lower.
Booze is very much cheaper in Spain and Italy than in either the Netherlands or the UK, and there public drunkenness is generally frowned on and binge drinking is relatively rare, despite being far less regulated. The key is that wine is seen as part of a meal and part of your nutrition, not classed as a drug with a capital 'D' and fussed over to the point where it acquires too high a social value. My pet theory is that it's the weather - generally awful here in the UK and in the Netherlands, generally far, far pleasanter in the Mediterranean. You may well feel like a nice cold beer on a sunny day, but you're far more likely to lock yourself in with a bottle of whisky when it goes dark at three thirty in the afternoon as it will here today :-( -- Fergus Wilde Chetham's Library Long Millgate Manchester M3 1SB Tel: 0161 834 7961 Fax: 0161 839 5797 http://www.chethams.org.uk -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2007-12-05 at 10:08 -0000, Fergus Wilde wrote:
The rate of boozing does seem to be higher in the Netherlands. It's higher even than in the UK, though it did start out a lot lower.
Booze is very much cheaper in Spain and Italy than in either the Netherlands or the UK, and there public drunkenness is generally frowned on and binge drinking is relatively rare, despite being far less regulated. The key is that wine is seen as part of a meal and part of your nutrition, not classed as a drug with a capital 'D' and fussed over to the point where it acquires too high a social value.
That was correct; it is changing.
My pet theory is that it's the weather - generally awful here in the UK and in the Netherlands, generally far, far pleasanter in the Mediterranean. You may well feel like a nice cold beer on a sunny day, but you're far more likely to lock yourself in with a bottle of whisky when it goes dark at three thirty in the afternoon as it will here today :-(
Young people now want drinks with high alcoholic content, which are quite expensive if bought at a discotheque or equivalent dancing music bar, which were the favourite places for the young to go; some times these places use "faked" distilled beverages ("garrafón"), bad quality and maybe dangerous (methylated?). The result over the years was that young people changed to buy the drinks by the bottle in supermarkets, and made their own drinking parties ("botellón") in parks and streets till "early" hours, to the desperation of the neighbors (very noisy during the night, dirty streets later, plus damaged property). Customs change... this kind of public drinking, specially by the very young, its becoming, no, has become, a bad problem here, too. The regulations are getting closer to what they have "up north". - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHVoiStTMYHG2NR9URArymAJ4/CGuTeKKby/qF2m/219PsNSFuIQCeKOAs HJAyn++LXqEAMhE2wmMRBbQ= =5xnu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
It a nice country I live in: Last couple of weeks it was several times in the news that a bunch of yougsters attended a drinking party and went on untill they pass out. Kids of 12 years old. Permanent brain damage.
I would almost opt for the Scandinavian mechanism: extremely strict and horrible expensive.
In Scandinavia they just drink a lot of homedistilled stuff. This isn't checked, so the numbers don't account for it. I truely belive the amount of drinking is connected to other things then wether it is legal ( /expensive). Things like the duration of night and the welfare of the people is far more important. People in Scandinavia are (on average) happy in the summer, and get depressed in the winter. This resuls in a drinking problem in the winter. Kids can get to alcohol, wether they are allowed or not. It's the parents who are responsible for the drinking habits of kids. A parent hosting a party for kids with alcohol is responsible for the brain damage in all the kids. It's just a little hard to check. It is becoming a kind of fashion to drink till you drop at low ages (it's called something like "comatosedrinking"). Neil -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Neil wrote:
It is becoming a kind of fashion to drink till you drop at low ages (it's called something like "comatosedrinking").
as a matter of fact, whatever the adults try to do, many youngs (mostly boys) have a suicide attitude at a time or an other. They act like if they tryed to desctruct themselves. this can be drinking, driving as fools... they always find a way to do so. In France nowaday, schoolboys play to strangle themselve nearly to death (and alas, sometime they die) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2007-12-05 at 11:06 +0100, jdd wrote:
It is becoming a kind of fashion to drink till you drop at low ages (it's called something like "comatosedrinking").
as a matter of fact, whatever the adults try to do, many youngs (mostly boys) have a suicide attitude at a time or an other. They act like if they tryed to desctruct themselves.
this can be drinking, driving as fools... they always find a way to do so. In France nowaday, schoolboys play to strangle themselve nearly to death (and alas, sometime they die)
Can it be a filtering mechanism for the human species? Only the "apt" and "sober" survive? Better they die young than when a family depends on them? What a thought :( - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHVoR4tTMYHG2NR9URAnzUAJwK65+hQ3T7NFBvvp0PZeI4LWuyvQCeOdRW cBpnhuu0Rbj+kM387HGSxD8= =rNXz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Can it be a filtering mechanism for the human species? Only the "apt" and "sober" survive? Better they die young than when a family depends on them? What a thought :(
Stafford Beer made the interesting suggestion that instead of cars being fitted with seat belts, they should be fitted with a row of spikes along the dashboard. Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, Dave Howorth wrote:
Stafford Beer made the interesting suggestion that instead of cars being fitted with seat belts, they should be fitted with a row of spikes along the dashboard.
You'd hope to God that nobody ever ran in the back of you.... Mark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Maccy wrote:
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, Dave Howorth wrote:
Stafford Beer made the interesting suggestion that instead of cars being fitted with seat belts, they should be fitted with a row of spikes along the dashboard.
You'd hope to God that nobody ever ran in the back of you....
Well, all that would do is press you further into your seat, causing at worst, neck problems -- the same result as you get now when someone runs into the rear end of your car. It's the person who rear-ends you who would meet the dashboard with its spikes. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Aaron Kulkis wrote:
Maccy wrote:
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, Dave Howorth wrote:
Stafford Beer made the interesting suggestion that instead of cars being fitted with seat belts, they should be fitted with a row of spikes along the dashboard.
You'd hope to God that nobody ever ran in the back of you....
Well, all that would do is press you further into your seat, causing at worst, neck problems -- the same result as you get now when someone runs into the rear end of your car.
It's the person who rear-ends you who would meet the dashboard with its spikes. Provided there was nothing in front of you. In which case the car, after being accelerated by the impulse from the car behind, would come to a sudden stop. You, however, would keep going 'till you hit the dashboard, steering column, windscreen, the passenger in front, etc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Russell Jones wrote:
Aaron Kulkis wrote:
Maccy wrote:
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, Dave Howorth wrote:
Stafford Beer made the interesting suggestion that instead of cars being fitted with seat belts, they should be fitted with a row of spikes along the dashboard.
You'd hope to God that nobody ever ran in the back of you....
Well, all that would do is press you further into your seat, causing at worst, neck problems -- the same result as you get now when someone runs into the rear end of your car.
It's the person who rear-ends you who would meet the dashboard with its spikes. Provided there was nothing in front of you. In which case the car, after being accelerated by the impulse from the car behind, would come to a sudden stop. You, however, would keep going 'till you hit the dashboard, steering column, windscreen, the passenger in front, etc.
There are these things called seat belts.... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
Russell Jones wrote:
Aaron Kulkis wrote:
Maccy wrote:
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, Dave Howorth wrote:
Stafford Beer made the interesting suggestion that instead of cars being fitted with seat belts, they should be fitted with a row of spikes along the dashboard.
You'd hope to God that nobody ever ran in the back of you....
Well, all that would do is press you further into your seat, causing at worst, neck problems -- the same result as you get now when someone runs into the rear end of your car.
It's the person who rear-ends you who would meet the dashboard with its spikes. Provided there was nothing in front of you. In which case the car, after being accelerated by the impulse from the car behind, would come to a sudden stop. You, however, would keep going 'till you hit the dashboard, steering column, windscreen, the passenger in front, etc.
There are these things called seat belts....
You may want to read the original post again... "Stafford Beer made the interesting suggestion that INSTEAD of cars being fitted with seat belts, they should be fitted with a row of spikes" Mark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 05 December 2007 11:10, Dave Howorth wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Can it be a filtering mechanism for the human species? Only the "apt" and "sober" survive? Better they die young than when a family depends on them? What a thought :(
Stafford Beer made the interesting suggestion that instead of cars being fitted with seat belts, they should be fitted with a row of spikes along the dashboard.
A popular view among motorcyclists, in fact - probably the only way you'll stop Volvos pulling out in front of you at junctions :-)
Cheers, Dave
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On Tuesday 04 December 2007 16:11, Hans Witvliet wrote:
On Tue, 2007-12-04 at 07:56 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Tuesday 04 December 2007 07:45, Neil wrote:
Hi
I live in the Netherlands, ...
Every year that goes by I regret more and more not accepting the job offer that Philips (Apeldorn) made to me in the late 80s.
Don't.
If you did accept it, there is a more than fair chance you would be out of a job and got a drinking-habbit
It a nice country I live in: Last couple of weeks it was several times in the news that a bunch of yougsters attended a drinking party and went on untill they pass out. Kids of 12 years old. Permanent brain damage.
I would almost opt for the Scandinavian mechanism: extremely strict and horrible expensive.
After the First World War in the US, they took what appeared the logical step and outlawed the admittedly toxic and often socially and medically damaging substance, alcohol, altogether. You can probably justify such a step if you are of an authoritarian bent that permits of the idea that the state can and should criminalise behaviour that harms us. But I suspect most of our US friends will agree that the result of prohibition was not that US society became more sober, industrious, and comprised largely of people with splendidly healthy livers, but that organised crime was handed a leg up so massive that eighty years later the effects are still being felt. You cannot legislate for good intent.
hw
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2007-12-05 at 10:03 -0000, Fergus Wilde wrote: ...
You cannot legislate for good intent.
No... laws are later twisted into things the legislators never thought would happen when they wrote the thing. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHVoUBtTMYHG2NR9URAsoZAKCStpPOYTM2JuCrOMT2xSHzFbtpKwCfczc+ YYhAJJbbSYHrw0kB3tgWlbY= =dRbf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Randall R Schulz schreef:
On Tuesday 04 December 2007 07:45, Neil wrote:
Hi
I live in the Netherlands, ...
Every year that goes by I regret more and more not accepting the job offer that Philips (Apeldorn) made to me in the late 80s.
A few years later they decided to lay off their whole computer branch, Randall. Now maybe, if they could have enlisted you ... who knows. :-) -- Jos van Kan registered Linux user #152704 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 04 December 2007 08:30, Jos van Kan wrote:
Randall R Schulz schreef:
On Tuesday 04 December 2007 07:45, Neil wrote:
Hi
I live in the Netherlands, ...
Every year that goes by I regret more and more not accepting the job offer that Philips (Apeldorn) made to me in the late 80s.
A few years later they decided to lay off their whole computer branch, Randall. Now maybe, if they could have enlisted you ... who knows. :-)
OK. I'll relinquish my regret. But wouldn't I have acquired the right to work throughout the EU? I heard there's considerable need for programming talent over there these days.
-- Jos van Kan
RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 03 December 2007 07:05:50 pm Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Monday 03 December 2007 12:20, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Monday 2007-12-03 at 16:26 -0000, peter nikolic wrote:
...
Close all pubs at 21:30 hours full stop .
No thanks! Then they will come to Spain on weekend booze non stop parties en masse! :-P
You know, this reminds me of Wisconsin (my home state) and Illinois. When I was growing up, Wisconsin's drinking age for beer was 18 (21 for other alcohol), while Illinois, just to the south (with Chicago near the northeast corner of the state) had a 21 minimum age for _all_ alcoholic beverages. There used to be ongoing vehicular carnage in the zone between southeastern Wisconsin and northeaster Illinois with kids from Illinois driving up to Wisconsin on weekends to party. Finally, in part under pressure from Illinois citizens and legislators, Wisconsin changed its drinking age to 21 for all alcoholic beverages.
That wasn't only Wisconsin and Illinois. It was New Jersey and New York also. New Jersey was an age 21 State for alcohol. New York was 18 for any alcohol. I was a NJ police officer back then and I can vouch for the carnage along the roads coming back from New York State. They didn't change New York to 21 for many years until after I left there. Bob S -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Randall R Schulz wrote:
There used to be ongoing vehicular carnage in the zone between southeastern Wisconsin and northeaster Illinois with kids from Illinois driving up to Wisconsin on weekends to party. Finally, in part under pressure from Illinois citizens and legislators, Wisconsin changed its drinking age to 21 for all alcoholic beverages.
There's a similar flow along the causeway from Saudi to Bahrain on a Thursday night but the cars are all Mercedes, the occupants are older and the bars have more gold plate. Not sure how much carnage afterwards; there are hotels for sleeping it off. Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On Sunday 02 December 2007 18:21, Tony Alfrey wrote:
In the UK, "half eight" = 8:30
IOTW: Two and a half hours before closing time.
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