On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 01:33:00AM +0100, peter Nikolic wrote:

On Tuesday 26 Oct 2004 01:26, "António P.F.Ferreira de Almeida" wrote:

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On booting, makes my desktop much fan noise ... and only keeps silent when loading Win XP. Does Suse 9.1 also provide a way to control fan noise ?

Maybe Xp is shutting your fan down thus risking damage to your CPU :-)..

I really highly doubt that this is the case, as Microsoft have had enough problems legally, it's probably something like I have. In Linux my Laptop is usually going full blast on the fans, but in XP it doesn't. Maybe the processor runs in a mode in XP that makes it run in low power consumption mode, and SUSE isn't set up too do that?

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How come I got bitched out for having like 5 links in my signature too SUSE, Slackware, GNU, Cannibal Holocaust, the movie, and The Misfits page, yet no one says a thing about this small book of a signature? I was wasting bandwidth supposedly with mine because 5 links in plain text take up too much (Can't imagine what kind of a connection you'd have too have too say it wasted bandwidth with nothing but a few links) but nothing is wrong with this page full Rant that hardly makes sence.... Anyone who whined about mine care too explain?

You failed to let us know brand/model of the laptop and whet kernel you are running. Do you have powersaved running? Do you have acpi enabled? It might be that XP has some powersaving feature that starts the fan at low speed. Check the powersave features of Linux to see if you can mimic the behavior from XP. --          /Rikard --------------------------------------------------------------- Rikard Johnels          email   : rikjoh@norweb.se                         Web     : http://www.rikjoh.com                         Mob     : +46 735 05 51 01 PGP : ---------------------------------------------------------------

On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 10:20:31PM -0500, Andreas Philipp wrote:

El Lun 25 Oct 2004 22:12, Allen escribió:

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I was wasting bandwidth supposedly with mine because 5 links in plain text take up too much (Can't imagine what kind of a connection you'd have too have too say it wasted bandwidth with nothing but a few links) but nothing is wrong with this page full Rant that hardly makes sence.... Anyone who whined about mine care too explain?

No, but I would recommend you use a spell-checker.

Ficken Du, Arschloch Lecken Hoden Sac. Pop that in your .whatever and spell check it. Wow, I mean you found a WHOLE word spelled wrong because of ONE letter. Man, I spelled Sense "sence" in the middle of the night and I've only been up three days! Damn I'm such a terrible spelling ass too have made that typo.

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On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 12:30:57AM +0700, Matt T. wrote:

On Tuesday 26 October 2004 14:38, Allen wrote:

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On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 10:20:31PM -0500, Andreas Philipp wrote:

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El Lun 25 Oct 2004 22:12, Allen escribió:

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I was wasting bandwidth supposedly with mine because 5 links in plain text take up too much (Can't imagine what kind of a connection you'd have too have too say it wasted bandwidth with nothing but a few links) but nothing is wrong with this page full Rant that hardly makes sence.... Anyone who whined about mine care too explain?

No, but I would recommend you use a spell-checker.

Ficken Du, Arschloch Lecken Hoden Sac. Pop that in your .whatever and spell check it.

Hello list admin,

can this guy get removed from the list please.

Thanks, Matt

For what? I have off list fan mail for my sense of humor, you should try one. Maybe one day someone will buy you a personality or something. I got totally spanked for my Mutt question, called an idiot, and got attacks off list because people didn't actually read what I actually said, and so they attacked me. I didn't whine, are you saying I should have everyone who told me naughty things should be kicked off too? Or is it because I said a naughty word? Are you offended by that? Next time you have a shell open, type into your bash prompt "wtf is wtf" without the quotes. Will that have you writing and telling SUSE they are bad for having that? Freedom of speech was what Linux and GNU are based on, and it works both ways, if you don't like what I have too say, then don't read it.

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On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 11:49:32PM +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

The Tuesday 2004-10-26 at 16:56 -0400, Allen wrote:

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Next time you have a shell open, type into your bash prompt "wtf is wtf" without the quotes.

Whaaat? X'-)

Didn't have the foggiest idea it existed. I'm writing this down. X'-)

-- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

Yea man, the funny thing is though, it won't work as root. Log in as a regular user, and type wtf is wtf or wtf is lol or whatever else. SUSE 9.1 Professional is what I have here and it works, and the box next too me is Slackware 10 and it works there too.

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On Wednesday 27 October 2004 04:45, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Allen [10-26-04 21:30]: ...

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Yea man, the funny thing is though, it won't work as root. Log in as a regular user, and type wtf is wtf or wtf is lol or whatever else. SUSE 9.1 Professional is what I have here and it works, and the box next too me is Slackware 10 and it works there too.

and you may add more acronyms by editing /usr/share/misc/acronyms, keeping the same text format.

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On Wednesday 27 October 2004 04:27, Allen wrote:

On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 11:49:32PM +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Tuesday 2004-10-26 at 16:56 -0400, Allen wrote:

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Next time you have a shell open, type into your bash prompt "wtf is wtf" without the quotes.

Whaaat? X'-)

Didn't have the foggiest idea it existed. I'm writing this down. X'-)

-- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

Yea man, the funny thing is though, it won't work as root.

Works as root for me? Suse 9.1 Pro ?

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On 27-Oct-04 Allen wrote:

On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 11:49:32PM +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Tuesday 2004-10-26 at 16:56 -0400, Allen wrote:

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Next time you have a shell open, type into your bash prompt "wtf is wtf" without the quotes.

Whaaat? X'-)

Didn't have the foggiest idea it existed. I'm writing this down. X'-)

-- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

Yea man, the funny thing is though, it won't work as root. Log in as a regular user, and type wtf is wtf or wtf is lol or whatever else. SUSE 9.1 Professional is what I have here and it works, and the box next too me is Slackware 10 and it works there too.

Well, I don't have either of those distributions running here. But when I tried it on the ones I have, I got

wtf is wtf bash: wtf: command not found

which, in its own way, is an appropriate response :) Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 [NB: New number!] Date: 27-Oct-04 Time: 10:51:16 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

On Wednesday 27 October 2004 09:27, Allen wrote:

On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 11:49:32PM +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Tuesday 2004-10-26 at 16:56 -0400, Allen wrote:

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Next time you have a shell open, type into your bash prompt "wtf is wtf" without the quotes.

Whaaat? X'-)

Didn't have the foggiest idea it existed. I'm writing this down. X'-)

-- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

Yea man, the funny thing is though, it won't work as root. Log in as a regular user, and type wtf is wtf or wtf is lol or whatever else. SUSE 9.1 Professional is what I have here and it works, and the box next too me is Slackware 10 and it works there too.

Well, Allen, *that* even I learned already ;-) Actually it was on of the very first things I learned when starting to play with Linux. I think I even saw it in a manual somewhere. Probably there was no foul language in there, which could have made me shy away LOL ;-) Now cool down again, and open a konsole. As root, in konsole, do a "whereis wtf". Then, still as root, in konsole, do a " echo $PATH". Compare the output! Here is an example from a SuSE 9.1 Pro installation: ~# whereis wtf wtf: /usr/games/wtf /usr/share/man/man6/wtf.6.gz ~# echo $PATH /usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/X11R6/bin As far as I know, a program / script can only run if it is in the path or if you call it with the complete path. Otherwise you get: "bash: wtf: command not found". HTH, Matt

On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 07:02:57AM +0200, Chadley Wilson wrote:

On Tuesday 26 October 2004 23:49, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Tuesday 2004-10-26 at 16:56 -0400, Allen wrote:

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Next time you have a shell open, type into your bash prompt "wtf is wtf" without the quotes.

Whaaat? X'-)

Didn't have the foggiest idea it existed. I'm writing this down. X'-)

Cool you just taught something,

I do what I can.

I managed to get into a boxing match with someone for placing "lol"

Heh, have you seen what I got for saying 3 words that I doubt half the people readin understood?

in a sentence, well in Afrikaans to call someone lol is an insult, lol is a term used to describe a posh tart who always complains about chipping her finger

nails. Now I have learned it means Laughing out loud.

If you ever go to Japan, when you finish eating, put the chop sticks in an X shape over the dish. No one will touch it.

Dude got any more cool tricks ?

Yes, but I'll end up getting yelled at for my language or something.

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On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 11:25:01PM +0200, Leendert Meyer wrote:

On Tuesday 26 October 2004 09:38, Allen wrote:

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*snip foul language*. Pop that in your .whatever and spell check it.

How do you know what I said was foul?

Please mind your language and your attitude. They do not belong here.

I'm going too on the simple fact that you're the first person too say that in a respectful way. I know you get the respect you're earning, but again, it's not like some of the people here were nice too me with what they said too. I was told worse things here than what I said back, and no one ever said the other should watch his mouth. I know it seems like I'm an asshole, but I'm really not. I don't try too be, but I do try for button pushing... Which I'm not sure why really, heh. I help more people than I annoy, and I do go out of my way on websites I visit too help someone with computer problems, but I'm not trying too make it seem like I'm an Angel either, I'm not. I just want too point out I do help people on and off the list more than I annoy them. I'm not as bad as I seem. If someone here was drunk and read the things I say they would probably laugh. The list just seems way too serious, and it kind of scares me that people are so serious all the time. Guys: I'm not trying too piss you off, I'm trying too make you loosen up a bit. When you're this serious all the time, the only thing you'll get out of it is valium and a risk of heart problems. Relax, enjoy your life, and only be serious when you are forced too be, like at work. Computers are only work if you make them out too be, just like life is what you make of it. OK, I'm done lol, heh. I can't be that offensive, I've met Richard Stallman and Talked and watched, Linus Torvalds speak, and they both have a great sense of humor about them which is one reason I love Linux and GNU, they aren't serious about it and joke a lot. That may not mean anything to some of you, but the fact that they do have a funny sense of humor, means a lot too me. They are great guys and great coders, and they make me laugh and I make them laugh. If I calm my language and TRY too make myself a little more presentable, will you guys not attack me and call me worse names than what I've said, and try not being so serious all the time, and have a little fun? I mean I can try and find the mails I got where I got called worse things than that, but I'm quite sure they were deleted, as they were hurtful things, and no one stopped them.

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On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 01:15:34PM +0700, Matt T. wrote:

On Wednesday 27 October 2004 04:57, Allen wrote:

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On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 11:25:01PM +0200, Leendert Meyer wrote:

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On Tuesday 26 October 2004 09:38, Allen wrote:

So you *did* get the point! May be not all hope is lost!

.... Are you offended by TV, Magazines and books too? Nothing I said would have been bleeped out on any TV. Hmm, I think I'll give BITCHX a try later and see wtf wtf is wth will do on my bash shell. And while I'm at it, I'll read about that Compiler that Richard Stallman was originally going to make into GCC The Free University Compiler Kit Or FUCK for short. Heh, it's a free FUCK. (Look it up, me telling you it exists won't make you believe me any.)

So why do you annoy them? Again inappropriate language?

No, even the Republicans I talk to don't mind my language. I could more than prove I have a medical condition that MAKES me swear more, but then again, it's not like I should bother, you won't believe me.

Many many on this list do. Without that I see them using inappropriate language.

Can you look one person straight in the face and say you've never said a swear word? If you say yes you're either telling a lie, which is worse than swearing, or you've never gotten kicked in the Genitals playing a sport.

This has nothing to do with your inappropriate language.

It does however have a lot to do with a reason.

I do not agree that it is humor to use words like you used: "*snip foul language*. Pop that in your .whatever and spell check it."

This is called an opinion. Whenever someone says C Group A will love it and group B will yell at you for it. You can't tell me no one has ever once yelled at you.

It is typical for children to start to smile, more or less shy, when they start to grasp the meaning of them.

Here it is not appropriate, we did pass that age already.

Technically as I'm 21, I can get away with this in Court. A Judge in Cali recently let a teenager off the hook for his violent crimes because it's been proven the brain isn't developed enough, and doesn't release chemicals for "Self Control" until the age of 30. I have 9 years of this to go.

Also, where was *your* sense on humor, when you did read the "spellcheck" post? May be he was just "trying too make you loosen up a bit", to use your own words. Or is it that the word spellcheck is not foul enough to be funny?

.... I'm not even going too try here. It pisses me off too see someone make an assumption...Whoops, I said assumption, it has the word ass in it, I'm swearing again!

For me, *that* was funny!

You like Bob Sagat don't you?

Come on, what's wrong with you?

Uhhh, excuse me? Who died and left you King?

foul language and humor are not the same.

I never said they were, but I've never seen a funny TV show without swearing. I'll just blame society like everyone else. All in the Family says a lot of cuss words, and that is an old classic. Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me..... Did your school miss that one or is there some reason a word can somehow offend someone?

real humor does not need foul language, and as far as I know, the humor of the persons you name here is not known as being based on foul language.

Heh, see the compiler lines above. And ohhh! Linus said SCO were smoking Crack! That's a drug reference! Naughty!

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If I calm my language and TRY too make myself a little more presentable,

I see, so you *do* know that there is a problem with your attitude and your language. May be not all hope is lost!

Actually there isn't. You and 3 people I've met in life are the only people I've ever seen that were bothered by something I said. No one else, including my boss, teachers, and anyone else, has ever been like that over me. And it's not like I sugar coat shit at school.

I did not send you any mail, I did not call you any names or whatever. Same is probably true for 99.9 % of the list members here.

Why exactly have you put this much effort in over me? I mean damn it, you people are all like "oh no he talks like everyone else except doesn't sugar coat it vote him off the island!"..... Right... So just because you don't like what I said I should get booted? How about if I did that too you in real life? I don't like how you said there was something wrong with my attitude, what if I had you deported for that? If you're as old as you sound you should know by now that people aren't always going to agree with you or like what you say and you can't just get rid of everything you don't like. Diversity brings disorder, and America is a prime example. The Country I live in was founded on the fact that people should be able to say whatever they want, and if you don't like it you stay the hell in England. If you don't like me, and you don't like my attitude, ignore me, I don't go out of my way to attack you. Hmm, I don't like what you said, get out of the internet. See that doesn't work does it? You don't like what I say so a whole 3 people are trying too have me banned. Same thing, not working.

This needs a fresh start. For one, you quote half of what I say, and then reply "laughing" like you find it funny that you somehow think I am bothered by it. Now that my little prank is over, I have to say you would be one of the easiest victims of Social Engineering I've ever met. Don't bother with a reply, I'm done. Like I honestly act like that or someting, heh.

On Wednesday 27 October 2004 17:55, Matt T. wrote:

On Thursday 28 October 2004 02:29, Allen wrote:

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This needs a fresh start. For one, you quote half of what I say,

oops, did I cut out anything important?

Like you think anything I've sad was important.

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Now that my little prank is over, I have to say you would be one of the easiest victims of Social Engineering I've ever met.

This I don't get, why that? Did I tell you my password? Can't remember that!

It's not what you get, it's how far you get. Social Engineering isn't getting a password, and you'd have too be pretty ignorant too believe it.

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Don't bother with a reply, I'm done. Like I honestly act like that or someting, heh.

And again, this is too much for me, I do not get your point.

That's because quite frankly you appear stupid. Anyway, I only replied too set a record straight on Social Engineering. I bet you think DDOS is a hacker attack too huh?

On Tuesday 26 October 2004 10:10 pm, Allen wrote:

On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 01:15:34PM +0700, Matt T. wrote:

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On Wednesday 27 October 2004 04:57, Allen wrote:

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On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 11:25:01PM +0200, Leendert Meyer wrote:

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On Tuesday 26 October 2004 09:38, Allen wrote:

So you *did* get the point! May be not all hope is lost!

.... Are you offended by TV, Magazines and books too? Nothing I said would have been bleeped out on any TV.

Hmm, I think I'll give BITCHX a try later and see wtf wtf is wth will do on my bash shell. And while I'm at it, I'll read about that Compiler that Richard Stallman was originally going to make into GCC The Free University Compiler Kit Or FUCK for short. Heh, it's a free FUCK. (Look it up, me telling you it exists won't make you believe me any.)

Now that was funny:-)!

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So why do you annoy them? Again inappropriate language?

No, even the Republicans I talk to don't mind my language. I could more than prove I have a medical condition that MAKES me swear more, but then again, it's not like I should bother, you won't believe me.

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Many many on this list do. Without that I see them using inappropriate language.

Can you look one person straight in the face and say you've never said a swear word? If you say yes you're either telling a lie, which is worse than swearing, or you've never gotten kicked in the Genitals playing a sport.

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This has nothing to do with your inappropriate language.

It does however have a lot to do with a reason.

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I do not agree that it is humor to use words like you used: "*snip foul language*. Pop that in your .whatever and spell check it."

This is called an opinion. Whenever someone says C Group A will love it and group B will yell at you for it. You can't tell me no one has ever once yelled at you.

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It is typical for children to start to smile, more or less shy, when they start to grasp the meaning of them.

Here it is not appropriate, we did pass that age already.

Technically as I'm 21, I can get away with this in Court. A Judge in Cali recently let a teenager off the hook for his violent crimes because it's been proven the brain isn't developed enough, and doesn't release chemicals for "Self Control" until the age of 30. I have 9 years of this to go.

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Also, where was *your* sense on humor, when you did read the "spellcheck" post? May be he was just "trying too make you loosen up a bit", to use your own words. Or is it that the word spellcheck is not foul enough to be funny?

.... I'm not even going too try here. It pisses me off too see someone make an assumption...Whoops, I said assumption, it has the word ass in it, I'm swearing again!

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For me, *that* was funny!

You like Bob Sagat don't you?

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Come on, what's wrong with you?

Uhhh, excuse me? Who died and left you King?

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foul language and humor are not the same.

I never said they were, but I've never seen a funny TV show without swearing. I'll just blame society like everyone else. All in the Family says a lot of cuss words, and that is an old classic. Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me..... Did your school miss that one or is there some reason a word can somehow offend someone?

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real humor does not need foul language, and as far as I know, the humor of the persons you name here is not known as being based on foul language.

Heh, see the compiler lines above. And ohhh! Linus said SCO were smoking Crack! That's a drug reference! Naughty!

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If I calm my language and TRY too make myself a little more presentable,

I see, so you *do* know that there is a problem with your attitude and your language. May be not all hope is lost!

Actually there isn't. You and 3 people I've met in life are the only people I've ever seen that were bothered by something I said. No one else, including my boss, teachers, and anyone else, has ever been like that over me. And it's not like I sugar coat shit at school.

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I did not send you any mail, I did not call you any names or whatever. Same is probably true for 99.9 % of the list members here.

Why exactly have you put this much effort in over me? I mean damn it, you people are all like "oh no he talks like everyone else except doesn't sugar coat it vote him off the island!".....

Right... So just because you don't like what I said I should get booted? How about if I did that too you in real life? I don't like how you said there was something wrong with my attitude, what if I had you deported for that?

If you're as old as you sound you should know by now that people aren't always going to agree with you or like what you say and you can't just get rid of everything you don't like. Diversity brings disorder, and America is a prime example. The Country I live in was founded on the fact that people should be able to say whatever they want, and if you don't like it you stay the hell in England. If you don't like me, and you don't like my attitude, ignore me, I don't go out of my way to attack you.

Hmm, I don't like what you said, get out of the internet. See that doesn't work does it? You don't like what I say so a whole 3 people are trying too have me banned. Same thing, not working.

On Tuesday 26 October 2004 05:12, Allen wrote:

On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 01:33:00AM +0100, peter Nikolic wrote:

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On Tuesday 26 Oct 2004 01:26, "António P.F.Ferreira de Almeida" wrote:

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On booting, makes my desktop much fan noise ... and only keeps silent when loading Win XP. Does Suse 9.1 also provide a way to control fan noise ?

Maybe Xp is shutting your fan down thus risking damage to your CPU :-)..

I really highly doubt that this is the case, as Microsoft have had enough problems legally, it's probably something like I have. In Linux my Laptop is usually going full blast on the fans, but in XP it doesn't. Maybe the processor runs in a mode in XP that makes it run in low power consumption mode, and SUSE isn't set up too do that?

Firstly the type of noise the fan makes is important, is a noise of an of balance fan, because that could mean that the fan is dirty, open your pc peal off the sticker either on top or bottom of the cooler fan and apply two drop of 3in1 oil, if it is a noise where the fan spins at high speed then stops, check your power management in the bios, could be your setting are set a bit to sensitive, in other words your max temp might be set a bit low, thus the bios will try and regulate the temp by increasing the fan speed, Although the OS can control the fan speeds the bios does the job until the service or deamon is loaded by the OS. If you have one of those utils in XPlease it may be causing the fan the spin up when it is loaded, check it config and see if there is any thing in there to prevent it. Alternatively it could just be a bug in which case look for a different util or the latestest version if you don't already have it. Cheers -- Chadley Wilson Redhat Certified Technician Cert Number: 603004708291270 Pinnacle Micro Manufacturers of Proline Computers ==================================== Exercise freedom, Use LINUX =====================================