[opensuse] Getting rid of "Marching Penguins"
Whenever I boot my notebook computer, after installing 10.2, I get those "Marching Penguins". While they may have been cute around Christmas, they're beginning to wear thin. Is there any simple way to get rid of them? Why on earth is there such a thing on something that should be used in business? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
James Knott wrote:
Whenever I boot my notebook computer, after installing 10.2, I get those "Marching Penguins". The screen is programmed to be randomly shown. While they may have been cute around Christmas, they're beginning to wear thin. Is there any simple way to get rid of them? That was answered on the Factory mailing list. It isn't too hard. It was also mentioned on this list a couple weeks ago. Why on earth is there such a thing on something that should be used in business?
You use Linux, it is all about choice. You can configure it whichever you choose. There is no "evil empire" that dictates what your boot screen looks like. My kids love it. -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.2 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
James Knott wrote:
Whenever I boot my notebook computer, after installing 10.2, I get those "Marching Penguins".
The screen is programmed to be randomly shown.
While they may have been cute around Christmas, they're beginning to wear thin. Is there any simple way to get rid of them?
That was answered on the Factory mailing list. It isn't too hard. It was also mentioned on this list a couple weeks ago.
I don't subscribe to the Factory mailing list. Why should it be necessary to subscribe to any mailing list to disable such a thing.
Why on earth is there such a thing on something that should be used in business?
You use Linux, it is all about choice. You can configure it whichever you choose. There is no "evil empire" that dictates what your boot screen looks like. My kids love it.
Your kids may love it, but many people don't. It's not appropriate for use in a business. So, how do I get rid of it? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 31 December 2006 13:07, James Knott wrote:
Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
James Knott wrote:
Whenever I boot my notebook computer, after installing 10.2, I get those "Marching Penguins".
The screen is programmed to be randomly shown.
While they may have been cute around Christmas, they're beginning to wear thin. Is there any simple way to get rid of them?
That was answered on the Factory mailing list. It isn't too hard. It was also mentioned on this list a couple weeks ago.
I don't subscribe to the Factory mailing list. Why should it be necessary to subscribe to any mailing list to disable such a thing.
you may not need to subscribe.. just search the archives.
Why on earth is there such a thing on something that should be used in business?
You use Linux, it is all about choice. You can configure it whichever you choose. There is no "evil empire" that dictates what your boot screen looks like. My kids love it.
Your kids may love it, but many people don't. It's not appropriate for use in a business.
I thought opensuse was a community edition ? I may be wrong but it definatley doesn't show up on SLES/SLED
So, how do I get rid of it?
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Jeffery Fernandez wrote:
On Sunday 31 December 2006 13:07, James Knott wrote:
Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
James Knott wrote:
Whenever I boot my notebook computer, after installing 10.2, I get those "Marching Penguins".
The screen is programmed to be randomly shown.
While they may have been cute around Christmas, they're beginning to wear thin. Is there any simple way to get rid of them?
That was answered on the Factory mailing list. It isn't too hard. It was also mentioned on this list a couple weeks ago.
I don't subscribe to the Factory mailing list. Why should it be necessary to subscribe to any mailing list to disable such a thing.
you may not need to subscribe.. just search the archives.
Assume I'm a user who doesn't know about mailing lists and is not interested in searching a mail list archive. How does he disable it? If he doesn't like the desktop image, it's easy enough to change. If he doesn't like KDE, he can chose Gnome during install or later. He doesn't have to search archives he doesn't know about, to find the answer. Why is it necessary to do that, to get rid of that penguin screen? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Dec 30, 2006, at 8:49 PM, James Knott wrote:
you may not need to subscribe.. just search the archives.
Assume I'm a user who doesn't know about mailing lists and is not interested in searching a mail list archive. How does he disable it? If he doesn't like the desktop image, it's easy enough to change. If he doesn't like KDE, he can chose Gnome during install or later. He doesn't have to search archives he doesn't know about, to find the answer. Why is it necessary to do that, to get rid of that penguin screen?
So in other words you're saying " I don't want to find the answer myself. I just want someone to tell me because I'm too lazy to look it up. " This doesn't work whether you're using Windows, MacOSX or Linux .. and quite frankly it makes a great many people in business environments or at home want to respond with GTMF. But since I'm feeling nice I'll GTMF for you .. and here it is and it was the first bloody link. http://homevellt.wordpress.com/2006/04/12/changing-the-grub-boot- screens/ Now please stop lecturing us on what is good for a business environment and what isn't .. because boot screens DO NOT qualify as something to worry about in this instance. There are a great many of us who have been in corporate environments for a great many years and what you're saying is complete CRAP .. it's a boot screen you see for a few seconds when you start your computer .. w00p! - Ben -- Envy, n: Wishing you'd been born with an unfair advantage instead of having to try and acquire one. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Benjamin Rosenberg wrote:
On Dec 30, 2006, at 8:49 PM, James Knott wrote:
you may not need to subscribe.. just search the archives.
Assume I'm a user who doesn't know about mailing lists and is not interested in searching a mail list archive. How does he disable it? If he doesn't like the desktop image, it's easy enough to change. If he doesn't like KDE, he can chose Gnome during install or later. He doesn't have to search archives he doesn't know about, to find the answer. Why is it necessary to do that, to get rid of that penguin screen?
So in other words you're saying " I don't want to find the answer myself. I just want someone to tell me because I'm too lazy to look it up. " This doesn't work whether you're using Windows, MacOSX or Linux .. and quite frankly it makes a great many people in business environments or at home want to respond with GTMF. But since I'm feeling nice I'll GTMF for you .. and here it is and it was the first bloody link.
No, I'm not saying that at all. There are many customizing settings in Linux and other OS's. They are generally easy to find. On the other hand, this one supposedly provides instructions to edit a file, but when you attempt to do so, you can only see junk. The average person, the same average person who is capable of changing themes, desktop pictures etc., is not going to find the change to fix this. If someone wants to put some "cutsie" item in the OS, which many people may not care for, they can damn well provide an easy way to change it, so that someone who doesn't know where to find the answer doesn't have to search the internet. Make it a simple setting or at least provide reasonable instructions that work!. How would you like it, if the desktop was always some ugly picture, and there was no easy way to change it?
http://homevellt.wordpress.com/2006/04/12/changing-the-grub-boot-screens/
Now please stop lecturing us on what is good for a business environment and what isn't .. because boot screens DO NOT qualify as something to worry about in this instance. There are a great many of us who have been in corporate environments for a great many years and what you're saying is complete CRAP .. it's a boot screen you see for a few seconds when you start your computer .. w00p!
How do you know what is good for a business environment? Many want heavily customized systems. Many are conservative and don't care for such things. However, whatever the reason, there should be a reasonable method for changing it, not instructions that don't work. As for that URL, that page says Fedora. How is someone supposed to know about that and that it applies to SUSE? Why should it be so difficult for someone to find the instructions? They don't have to do so to change the desktop. Also, according to what I see on that page, some "adjustment" will be necessary to get it to work with SUSE. Now about the provided instructions. When at that screen you press F1 for "About". The instructions say "Edit gfxboot.cfg in /boot/message. Try and follow those directions to change it. How'd it go? Find the file yet? What's the point in providing instructions that are flat out wrong??? Once again, without performing far more searching than is reasonable, how does someone who hasn't read Factory list messages, know about how to change it? Is it in SUSE help? A man page? Is it anywhere on the system? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 30 December 2006 22:33, James Knott wrote: [...]
How do you know what is good for a business environment? Many want heavily customized systems. Many are conservative and don't care for such things. However, whatever the reason, there should be a reasonable method for changing it, not instructions that don't work.
As for that URL, that page says Fedora. How is someone supposed to know about that and that it applies to SUSE? Why should it be so difficult for someone to find the instructions? They don't have to do so to change the desktop. Also, according to what I see on that page, some "adjustment" will be necessary to get it to work with SUSE.
Now about the provided instructions. When at that screen you press F1 for "About". The instructions say "Edit gfxboot.cfg in /boot/message. Try and follow those directions to change it. How'd it go? Find the file yet? What's the point in providing instructions that are flat out wrong???
Once again, without performing far more searching than is reasonable, how does someone who hasn't read Factory list messages, know about how to change it? Is it in SUSE help? A man page? Is it anywhere on the system? =========== James, What's up with you? Too much coffee, been up too long, PMS? You're not usually this way when asking questions or answering them. What happened that put you in such a mood?
I would think you would understand that OpenSUSE is for the general masses, not necessarily for business. Usually SLES/SLED are reserved for business use and they are quite serious about business. When did it become bad to have a little fun with programming? If you really look deeply, you find a little human nature in every program. And how many people reboot their Linux systems? Eight seconds of marching penguins is going to ruin the concept of Linux? Just wondered and surprised at all this yelling from you. bye -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
BandiPat wrote:
On Saturday 30 December 2006 22:33, James Knott wrote: [...]
How do you know what is good for a business environment? Many want heavily customized systems. Many are conservative and don't care for such things. However, whatever the reason, there should be a reasonable method for changing it, not instructions that don't work.
As for that URL, that page says Fedora. How is someone supposed to know about that and that it applies to SUSE? Why should it be so difficult for someone to find the instructions? They don't have to do so to change the desktop. Also, according to what I see on that page, some "adjustment" will be necessary to get it to work with SUSE.
Now about the provided instructions. When at that screen you press F1 for "About". The instructions say "Edit gfxboot.cfg in /boot/message. Try and follow those directions to change it. How'd it go? Find the file yet? What's the point in providing instructions that are flat out wrong???
Once again, without performing far more searching than is reasonable, how does someone who hasn't read Factory list messages, know about how to change it? Is it in SUSE help? A man page? Is it anywhere on the system?
=========== James, What's up with you? Too much coffee, been up too long, PMS? You're not usually this way when asking questions or answering them. What happened that put you in such a mood?
One thing I've found with Linux is that someone will put in something they think is "cool" and then make it difficult or impossible for someone who disagrees to change. In this case, not is it not obvious how to change, but the provided instructions are wrong. Yet despite this, some here think that because they or their kids like something, I'm supposed to as well. While this may be minor issue, the fact remains that something that should be easy to change, isn't. And as I mentioned, that sort of thing may not be appreciated in the corporate world, where I have been directly involved in building and supporting customized systems. I don't have a problem with that sort of login screen appearing in the holiday period, but it shouldn't be default with incorrect instructions for changing. Perhaps if there'd been a choice of options available, as there is for so many other things in Linux, such as desktop themes etc. I guess part of the issue here is the attitude of some here seems to be "don't like it? tough."
I would think you would understand that OpenSUSE is for the general masses, not necessarily for business. Usually SLES/SLED are reserved for business use and they are quite serious about business. When did it become bad to have a little fun with programming? If you really look deeply, you find a little human nature in every program. And how many people reboot their Linux systems? Eight seconds of marching penguins is going to ruin the concept of Linux?
Just wondered and surprised at all this yelling from you.
bye
I didn't know there was a law against using OpenSUSE for business use. Just before Christmas, I set up one box at work with OpenSUSE 10.2. We plan to use it for remote monitoring of communications systems (as soon as I get PPTP working on it). There are also many businesses for whom SLES or SLED may not be the right choice. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 09:04:42AM -0500, James Knott wrote:
BandiPat wrote:
On Saturday 30 December 2006 22:33, James Knott wrote: [...]
How do you know what is good for a business environment? Many want heavily customized systems. Many are conservative and don't care for such things. However, whatever the reason, there should be a reasonable method for changing it, not instructions that don't work.
As for that URL, that page says Fedora. How is someone supposed to know about that and that it applies to SUSE? Why should it be so difficult for someone to find the instructions? They don't have to do so to change the desktop. Also, according to what I see on that page, some "adjustment" will be necessary to get it to work with SUSE.
Now about the provided instructions. When at that screen you press F1 for "About". The instructions say "Edit gfxboot.cfg in /boot/message. Try and follow those directions to change it. How'd it go? Find the file yet? What's the point in providing instructions that are flat out wrong???
Once again, without performing far more searching than is reasonable, how does someone who hasn't read Factory list messages, know about how to change it? Is it in SUSE help? A man page? Is it anywhere on the system?
=========== James, What's up with you? Too much coffee, been up too long, PMS? You're not usually this way when asking questions or answering them. What happened that put you in such a mood?
One thing I've found with Linux is that someone will put in something they think is "cool" and then make it difficult or impossible for someone who disagrees to change. In this case, not is it not obvious how to change, but the provided instructions are wrong. Yet despite
vi /boot/grub/menu.lst /gfxmenu<return> dd:wq<return> Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 30 December 2006 20:59, Benjamin Rosenberg wrote:
Now please stop lecturing us on what is good for a business environment and what isn't .. because boot screens DO NOT qualify as something to worry about in this instance. There are a great many of us who have been in corporate environments for a great many years and what you're saying is complete CRAP .. it's a boot screen you see for a few seconds when you start your computer .. w00p!
First, drop the attitude. Then consider this scenario: your CEO calls you and says "I understand we've been using this Linux thing for the last eight years; I'd like to know more about it." When you explain that you run it not only on the servers in the machine room but also on your workstation and your laptop, he asks you to come to his office and show it to him. You grab your laptop bag, walk into his office, switch it on, and... first impressions are everything. I realize a lot of people actually like it (e.g. small children), but even at home, I find it silly. In any case, it's not well implemented; long menu lines extend past the "ice sheet" and f-key popup menus get corrupted if a penguin is in the area. I think the instructions for penguin neutralization bear repeating: (as root) cd /boot cp message message.original cd ~ mkdir temp cd temp cpio -iv < /boot/message [edit gfxboot.cfg and change to "penguin=0"] ls | cpio -ov > /boot/message You can always copy back message.original if you feel pangs of conscience at what you did to the penguins. I've just done it on three desktops and a laptop here at home, and it's easy and fast. I plan to do the same when I return to work after the holiday and finish upgrading our web servers and intranet to openSUSE 10.2. -- Glenn Holmer (Q-Link: ShadowM) http://www.lyonlabs.org/commodore/c64.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Glenn Holmer wrote:
I've just done it on three desktops and a laptop here at home, and it's easy and fast. I plan to do the same when I return to work after the holiday and finish upgrading our web servers and intranet to openSUSE 10.2.
I've just done that and it works fine. tnx Now, to solve that profile switch at boot problem. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006/12/31 07:00 (GMT-0600) Glenn Holmer apparently typed:
I think the instructions for penguin neutralization bear repeating:
(as root) cd /boot cp message message.original cd ~ mkdir temp cd temp cpio -iv < /boot/message [edit gfxboot.cfg and change to "penguin=0"] ls | cpio -ov > /boot/message
You can always copy back message.original if you feel pangs of conscience at what you did to the penguins.
I've just done it on three desktops and a laptop here at home, and it's easy and fast.
Easier and faster in /boot/grub/menu.lst, s/gfxmenu/#gfxmenu/. -- "Let your conversation be always full of grace." Colossians 4:6 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 31 December 2006 08:49, Felix Miata wrote:
Easier and faster in /boot/grub/menu.lst, s/gfxmenu/#gfxmenu/
...in which case you lose the graphic menu completely and revert to plain text. The method I outlined keeps the SUSE-themed graphic menu. -- Glenn Holmer (Q-Link: ShadowM) http://www.lyonlabs.org/commodore/c64.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006/12/31 09:10 (GMT-0600) Glenn Holmer apparently typed:
On Sunday 31 December 2006 08:49, Felix Miata wrote:
Easier and faster in /boot/grub/menu.lst, s/gfxmenu/#gfxmenu/
...in which case you lose the graphic menu completely and revert to plain text. The method I outlined keeps the SUSE-themed graphic menu.
So what business needs a fancy graphical boot screen anyway? That was sort of the original complaint anyway. No marching anything on a text screen. -- "Let your conversation be always full of grace." Colossians 4:6 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Felix Miata wrote:
On 2006/12/31 09:10 (GMT-0600) Glenn Holmer apparently typed:
On Sunday 31 December 2006 08:49, Felix Miata wrote:
Easier and faster in /boot/grub/menu.lst, s/gfxmenu/#gfxmenu/
...in which case you lose the graphic menu completely and revert to plain text. The method I outlined keeps the SUSE-themed graphic menu.
So what business needs a fancy graphical boot screen anyway? That was sort of the original complaint anyway. No marching anything on a text screen.
Some companies may choose to put a corporate logo there. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 31 December 2006 20:02, James Knott wrote:
So what business needs a fancy graphical boot screen anyway? That was sort of the original complaint anyway. No marching anything on a text screen.
Some companies may choose to put a corporate logo there.
Heck, I picked up a second hand MB a while back, and the company's logo was on the bios boot splash. Had a heck of a time disabling that one. -- Powered by SuSE 10.0 Kernel 2.6.13 X86_64 KDE 3.4 Kmail 1.8 8:46pm up 10 days 4:38, 4 users, load average: 1.09, 1.12, 1.14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 14:02 -0500, James Knott wrote:
Felix Miata wrote:
On 2006/12/31 09:10 (GMT-0600) Glenn Holmer apparently typed:
On Sunday 31 December 2006 08:49, Felix Miata wrote:
Easier and faster in /boot/grub/menu.lst, s/gfxmenu/#gfxmenu/
...in which case you lose the graphic menu completely and revert to plain text. The method I outlined keeps the SUSE-themed graphic menu.
So what business needs a fancy graphical boot screen anyway? That was sort of the original complaint anyway. No marching anything on a text screen.
Some companies may choose to put a corporate logo there.
Which is why this is actually a good thread. Also, how they got it for the period of time that Marcus mentioned would be interesting, i.e. if this is Tuesday then use such and such for a boot screen. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
So what business needs a fancy graphical boot screen anyway? That was sort of the original complaint anyway. No marching anything on a text screen.
It makes you wonder why a business is not using a business product and also why they are installing 10.2 immediately after its been released - not a sensible thing to do particularly if it had a show stopper like 10.1 did with its new mono'ed download programs (and the 10.2 version is still not quite there) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 31 December 2006 13:11, ianseeks wrote:
It makes you wonder why a business is not using a business product and also why they are installing 10.2 immediately after its been released - not a sensible thing to do particularly if it had a show stopper like 10.1 did with its new mono'ed download programs (and the 10.2 version is still not quite there)
I was very active during the 10.2 alpha/beta phase, so I knew it was going to be a good release. We are between two large projects at work and I want 10.2 partly to get the latest Subversion and Berkeley DB (because we are switching from CVS). I would rather have that degree of freedom than be tied to the longer release cycle of SLES, and my boss trusts me with that decision. I've been using Linux since '95, so it's not like we need a lot of hand-holding. The only downside so far has been bug 219496, one of whose dupes had the comment "I don't see this as blocker as only smartarray controller are affected and that's more a typical sles hardware." But there's a workaround, so we're OK there. -- Glenn Holmer (Q-Link: ShadowM) http://www.lyonlabs.org/commodore/c64.html Stafford Masie -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Dec 31, 2006, at 7:00 AM, Glenn Holmer wrote:
On Saturday 30 December 2006 20:59, Benjamin Rosenberg wrote:
Now please stop lecturing us on what is good for a business environment and what isn't .. because boot screens DO NOT qualify as something to worry about in this instance. There are a great many of us who have been in corporate environments for a great many years and what you're saying is complete CRAP .. it's a boot screen you see for a few seconds when you start your computer .. w00p!
First, drop the attitude. Then consider this scenario: your CEO calls you and says "I understand we've been using this Linux thing for the last eight years; I'd like to know more about it." When you explain that you run it not only on the servers in the machine room but also on your workstation and your laptop, he asks you to come to his office and show it to him. You grab your laptop bag, walk into his office, switch it on, and... first impressions are everything.
Your right. First impressions are everything .. and if he couldn't figure out how to change the bootsplash then he should boot it in his cube/office prior to walking in the PHB's office. He gave attitude and was condensing so quite frankly I will not " drop the attitude ". If one is civil then you get civility out of me .. if one is a jackass .. well .. we can have that conversation. It's a bootscreen for the love of God and you'll never get me change my mind about how irrelevant it is because it can be changed after GTMFing a little .. not even a lot.
I realize a lot of people actually like it (e.g. small children), but even at home, I find it silly.
Agreed! I disable the gfxboot as one of the first things done after install. It's removing 2 rpm's so that it won't be able to DO the graphic boot splash. :D
I think the instructions for penguin neutralization bear repeating:
Why? So it can get archived so that he and his ilk can go look for it .. he and others have already said that GTMFing is to unreasonable and shouldn't have to be done. :/ -- Envy, n: Wishing you'd been born with an unfair advantage instead of having to try and acquire one. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 07:00 -0600, Glenn Holmer wrote:
On Saturday 30 December 2006 20:59, Benjamin Rosenberg wrote:
Now please stop lecturing us on what is good for a business environment and what isn't .. because boot screens DO NOT qualify as something to worry about in this instance. There are a great many of us who have been in corporate environments for a great many years and what you're saying is complete CRAP .. it's a boot screen you see for a few seconds when you start your computer .. w00p!
First, drop the attitude. Then consider this scenario: your CEO calls you and says "I understand we've been using this Linux thing for the last eight years; I'd like to know more about it." When you explain that you run it not only on the servers in the machine room but also on your workstation and your laptop, he asks you to come to his office and show it to him. You grab your laptop bag, walk into his office, switch it on, and... first impressions are everything.
And you have of course had the presence of mind to customize your splash screen to show something that will wow the d00d. Not to be snarky about this, but think about it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Dec 31, 2006, at 11:43 AM, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 07:00 -0600, Glenn Holmer wrote:
On Saturday 30 December 2006 20:59, Benjamin Rosenberg wrote:
Now please stop lecturing us on what is good for a business environment and what isn't .. because boot screens DO NOT qualify as something to worry about in this instance. There are a great many of us who have been in corporate environments for a great many years and what you're saying is complete CRAP .. it's a boot screen you see for a few seconds when you start your computer .. w00p!
First, drop the attitude. Then consider this scenario: your CEO calls you and says "I understand we've been using this Linux thing for the last eight years; I'd like to know more about it." When you explain that you run it not only on the servers in the machine room but also on your workstation and your laptop, he asks you to come to his office and show it to him. You grab your laptop bag, walk into his office, switch it on, and... first impressions are everything.
And you have of course had the presence of mind to customize your splash screen to show something that will wow the d00d. Not to be snarky about this, but think about it.
EXACTLY! :) We could nitpick this to death. I mean what if you've put a custom picture in for your KDM/GDM splash, a wallpaper or whatever .. will you have time to disable all of that? Quite frankly if my boss discounted Linux because he saw my Superman GDM splash .. then he shouldn't be in charge of a group of tech geeks. :D But then again the director in my department has Harley icons, Harley wallpapers and a stupid little engine sound when he empties his Recycle Bin .. and as I've said I work for a pretty decent size CLEC. :D Again, if the environment that one works in is that snotty about such things then disable the gfxboot ALL together .. make it as plain jane as possible by removing the RPM's that make the system able to even have pretty bootscreens. It's pretty simple. OH! That's right .. he didn't want to figure out how to change it so he'd not want to figure out which RPM's he'd have to remove. Damn! Forgot about that. ;D -- Envy, n: Wishing you'd been born with an unfair advantage instead of having to try and acquire one. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I would have to agree with that, first impressions is everything when it comes to showing off linux, really it doesn't matter what environment you are in. If you have something that can catch someones eye because how good it looks and the added bonus of it running perfectly, they are mort than likely to be impressed with it and want it themself. Its more of an advertisement thing than anything else in my option, yes i know after a while it gets old but think about someone who has never seen it before. On Sunday 31 December 2006 12:43, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 07:00 -0600, Glenn Holmer wrote:
On Saturday 30 December 2006 20:59, Benjamin Rosenberg wrote:
Now please stop lecturing us on what is good for a business environment and what isn't .. because boot screens DO NOT qualify as something to worry about in this instance. There are a great many of us who have been in corporate environments for a great many years and what you're saying is complete CRAP .. it's a boot screen you see for a few seconds when you start your computer .. w00p!
First, drop the attitude. Then consider this scenario: your CEO calls you and says "I understand we've been using this Linux thing for the last eight years; I'd like to know more about it." When you explain that you run it not only on the servers in the machine room but also on your workstation and your laptop, he asks you to come to his office and show it to him. You grab your laptop bag, walk into his office, switch it on, and... first impressions are everything.
And you have of course had the presence of mind to customize your splash screen to show something that will wow the d00d. Not to be snarky about this, but think about it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Adam Jimerson wrote:
I would have to agree with that, first impressions is everything when it comes to showing off linux, really it doesn't matter what environment you are in. If you have something that can catch someones eye because how good it looks and the added bonus of it running perfectly, they are mort than likely to be impressed with it and want it themself. Its more of an advertisement thing than anything else in my option, yes i know after a while it gets old but think about someone who has never seen it before.
I'd much rather have our beloved 'yote finally getting a good grip on roadrunner. :) Fred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 30 December 2006 18:07, James Knott wrote:
Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
James Knott wrote:
Whenever I boot my notebook computer, after installing 10.2, I get those "Marching Penguins".
The screen is programmed to be randomly shown.
While they may have been cute around Christmas, they're beginning to wear thin. Is there any simple way to get rid of them?
That was answered on the Factory mailing list. It isn't too hard. It was also mentioned on this list a couple weeks ago.
I don't subscribe to the Factory mailing list. Why should it be necessary to subscribe to any mailing list to disable such a thing.
Why on earth is there such a thing on something that should be used in business?
You use Linux, it is all about choice. You can configure it whichever you choose. There is no "evil empire" that dictates what your boot screen looks like. My kids love it.
Your kids may love it, but many people don't. It's not appropriate for use in a business.
Why not? What kind of boring business you in anyway? :)
So, how do I get rid of it?
Don't boot from the DVD? -- kai - theperfectreign@yahoo.com www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com www.filesite.org || www.donutmonster.com wo ist der ort für den ehrlichsten kuss ich weiss, dass ich ihn für uns finden muss... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Kai Ponte wrote:
On Saturday 30 December 2006 18:07, James Knott wrote:
Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
James Knott wrote:
Whenever I boot my notebook computer, after installing 10.2, I get those "Marching Penguins". The screen is programmed to be randomly shown.
While they may have been cute around Christmas, they're beginning to wear thin. Is there any simple way to get rid of them? That was answered on the Factory mailing list. It isn't too hard. It was also mentioned on this list a couple weeks ago. I don't subscribe to the Factory mailing list. Why should it be necessary to subscribe to any mailing list to disable such a thing.
Why on earth is there such a thing on something that should be used in business? You use Linux, it is all about choice. You can configure it whichever you choose. There is no "evil empire" that dictates what your boot screen looks like. My kids love it. Your kids may love it, but many people don't. It's not appropriate for use in a business.
Why not?
What kind of boring business you in anyway? :)
So, how do I get rid of it?
Don't boot from the DVD?
How would that make a difference? - Since I have installed 10.2 on my machine I have seen nothing else but the X-mas screen (OK It has only been 4 days). I have never seen the "X-mas egg" on the betas I was running. - I guess the easiest way to disable it would be to put grub into text mode or replace the /boot/message stuff (cpio archive) but as I don't intend to reboot this machine as often i will just live with it. - I guess a simple flag or an alternative /boot/message file which is more enterprise like on the install media would be a nice option to stop these arguments. Best regards Hubba -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 30 December 2006 22:32, Hubertus A. Haniel wrote:
Kai Ponte wrote:
On Saturday 30 December 2006 18:07, James Knott wrote:
Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
James Knott wrote:
Whenever I boot my notebook computer, after installing 10.2, I get those "Marching Penguins".
The screen is programmed to be randomly shown.
While they may have been cute around Christmas, they're beginning to wear thin. Is there any simple way to get rid of them? [...]
Since I have installed 10.2 on my machine I have seen nothing else but the X-mas screen (OK It has only been 4 days). I have never seen the "X-mas egg" on the betas I was running. -
I recall seeing the Christmas splash on several older versions at various times.
I guess the easiest way to disable it would be to put grub into text mode or replace the /boot/message stuff (cpio archive) but as I don't intend to reboot this machine as often i will just live with it.
That's what I did for several servers that don't have monitors connected....
- I guess a simple flag or an alternative /boot/message file which is more enterprise like on the install media would be a nice option to stop these arguments.
...but for my own system I'd like to see the glitz more often. If there a way to explicitly turn on the Christmas display? I looked in my /boot and there are no *.xpm or *.xpm.gz files per the previously posted web page directions. Where does SuSE keep the Christmas boot screen? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Dec 30, 2006, at 10:32 PM, Ken Jennings wrote:
...but for my own system I'd like to see the glitz more often. If there a way to explicitly turn on the Christmas display? I looked in my /boot and there are no *.xpm or *.xpm.gz files per the previously posted web page directions. Where does SuSE keep the Christmas boot screen?
Ken, I screwed up in that previous post. Please visit this link to get instructions for the boot splash. Sorry about that. :) http://susewiki.org/index.php?title=Changing_the_GRUB_background - Ben -- Envy, n: Wishing you'd been born with an unfair advantage instead of having to try and acquire one. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Benjamin Rosenberg wrote:
On Dec 30, 2006, at 10:32 PM, Ken Jennings wrote:
...but for my own system I'd like to see the glitz more often. If there a way to explicitly turn on the Christmas display? I looked in my /boot and there are no *.xpm or *.xpm.gz files per the previously posted web page directions. Where does SuSE keep the Christmas boot screen?
Ken,
I screwed up in that previous post. Please visit this link to get instructions for the boot splash. Sorry about that. :)
Right, well, you go and stand in the corner for an hour young man! That should teach you to mislead people on such a critical matter! :-) Cheers. -- In a period of great joy and pleasure you are comforted by the thought that tragedy is just around the corner. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Dec 30, 2006, at 10:56 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
Benjamin Rosenberg wrote:
On Dec 30, 2006, at 10:32 PM, Ken Jennings wrote:
...but for my own system I'd like to see the glitz more often. If there a way to explicitly turn on the Christmas display? I looked in my / boot and there are no *.xpm or *.xpm.gz files per the previously posted web page directions. Where does SuSE keep the Christmas boot screen? Ken, I screwed up in that previous post. Please visit this link to get instructions for the boot splash. Sorry about that. :)
Right, well, you go and stand in the corner for an hour young man! That should teach you to mislead people on such a critical matter!
:-)
Thank you! Thank you for calling me a *young* man. You have a wonderful 2007. Cheers! -Ben -- Envy, n: Wishing you'd been born with an unfair advantage instead of having to try and acquire one. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Benjamin Rosenberg wrote:
On Dec 30, 2006, at 10:56 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
Benjamin Rosenberg wrote:
On Dec 30, 2006, at 10:32 PM, Ken Jennings wrote:
...but for my own system I'd like to see the glitz more often. If there a way to explicitly turn on the Christmas display? I looked in my /boot and there are no *.xpm or *.xpm.gz files per the previously posted web page directions. Where does SuSE keep the Christmas boot screen? Ken, I screwed up in that previous post. Please visit this link to get instructions for the boot splash. Sorry about that. :)
Right, well, you go and stand in the corner for an hour young man! That should teach you to mislead people on such a critical matter!
:-)
Thank you! Thank you for calling me a *young* man. You have a wonderful 2007.
Anyone aged 39 years or less is "young". (My uncle who is close to 80 now has been 39 yo for many years :-) .) BTW, that fix mentioned in the link you gave mentions that the new file *must* be a jpeg file. However, the Marching Penguins is an animated picture which means that it is not a jpeg - unless what I read about jpegs is wrong. So how can I put my own animated pix as the boot piccy? Cheers. -- In a period of great joy and pleasure you are comforted by the thought that tragedy is just around the corner. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
BTW, that fix mentioned in the link you gave mentions that the new file *must* be a jpeg file. However, the Marching Penguins is an animated picture which means that it is not a jpeg - unless what I read about jpegs is wrong. So how can I put my own animated pix as the boot piccy? I can't really answer your question directly, but the background is
Basil Chupin wrote: pback.jpg, an 800x600 jpeg picture. How Steffan got the animation on it I really don't know (and doubt I could read the sources to understand not being a programmer). -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.2 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 31 December 2006 08:15, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
BTW, that fix mentioned in the link you gave mentions that the new file *must* be a jpeg file. However, the Marching Penguins is an animated picture which means that it is not a jpeg - unless what I read about jpegs is wrong. So how can I put my own animated pix as the boot piccy?
I can't really answer your question directly, but the background is pback.jpg, an 800x600 jpeg picture. How Steffan got the animation on it I really don't know (and doubt I could read the sources to understand not being a programmer).
On the opensuse-factory list, Steffen explained the process for disabling or modifying the screen. The /boot/message file in an archive with the graphics etc. # mkdir foo - creates a working directory # cd foo # cpio -i /boot/message - find all files in the working directory and create a new /boot/message archive from them. I haven't tried to change the graphics, but panim.jpg contains the various penguin figues for animation, pback.jpg is the background etc. Should be straightforward (if you have any drawing skill!) Cheers Pete -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Dec 31, 2006, at 1:26 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
Benjamin Rosenberg wrote:
Anyone aged 39 years or less is "young". (My uncle who is close to 80 now has been 39 yo for many years :-) .)
BTW, that fix mentioned in the link you gave mentions that the new file *must* be a jpeg file. However, the Marching Penguins is an animated picture which means that it is not a jpeg - unless what I read about jpegs is wrong. So how can I put my own animated pix as the boot piccy?
Not sure as I turn ALL that stuff off directly after install by remove the rpm's that make it possible to have the gfxboot. I wouldn't care if it was a picture of Warren Buffet the "conservative" business guy or daffy duck. ;D Cheers! Happy New Year to all. -- Envy, n: Wishing you'd been born with an unfair advantage instead of having to try and acquire one. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Kai Ponte wrote:
On Saturday 30 December 2006 18:07, James Knott wrote:
Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
James Knott wrote:
Whenever I boot my notebook computer, after installing 10.2, I get those "Marching Penguins".
The screen is programmed to be randomly shown.
While they may have been cute around Christmas, they're beginning to wear thin. Is there any simple way to get rid of them?
That was answered on the Factory mailing list. It isn't too hard. It was also mentioned on this list a couple weeks ago.
I don't subscribe to the Factory mailing list. Why should it be necessary to subscribe to any mailing list to disable such a thing.
Why on earth is there such a thing on something that should be used in business?
You use Linux, it is all about choice. You can configure it whichever you choose. There is no "evil empire" that dictates what your boot screen looks like. My kids love it.
Your kids may love it, but many people don't. It's not appropriate for use in a business.
Why not?
What kind of boring business you in anyway? :)
Many businesses like to customize their systems. Some do not care for such "frivolous" things.
So, how do I get rid of it?
Don't boot from the DVD?
I'm not booting from the DVD. I'm booting from the installed system. In fact, I didn't even use the DVD for the install. I did a network install from the ISO file. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 30 December 2006 19:36, James Knott wrote:
Kai Ponte wrote:
On Saturday 30 December 2006 18:07, James Knott wrote:
Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
James Knott wrote:
Whenever I boot my notebook computer, after installing 10.2, I get those "Marching Penguins".
The screen is programmed to be randomly shown.
While they may have been cute around Christmas, they're beginning to wear thin. Is there any simple way to get rid of them?
That was answered on the Factory mailing list. It isn't too hard. It was also mentioned on this list a couple weeks ago.
I don't subscribe to the Factory mailing list. Why should it be necessary to subscribe to any mailing list to disable such a thing.
Why on earth is there such a thing on something that should be used in business?
You use Linux, it is all about choice. You can configure it whichever you choose. There is no "evil empire" that dictates what your boot screen looks like. My kids love it.
Your kids may love it, but many people don't. It's not appropriate for use in a business.
Why not?
What kind of boring business you in anyway? :)
Many businesses like to customize their systems. Some do not care for such "frivolous" things.
Remind me never to work wherever it is you're at. :)
So, how do I get rid of it?
Don't boot from the DVD?
I'm not booting from the DVD. I'm booting from the installed system. In fact, I didn't even use the DVD for the install. I did a network install from the ISO file.
Um, okay. I thought it only showed up on the DVD. My apologies. I hadn't seen it except when booting from the DVD, on the rare occasion I would do such a thing. -- kai - theperfectreign@yahoo.com www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com www.filesite.org || www.donutmonster.com wo ist der ort für den ehrlichsten kuss ich weiss, dass ich ihn für uns finden muss... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Kai Ponte wrote:
Many businesses like to customize their systems. Some do not care for such "frivolous" things.
Remind me never to work wherever it is you're at. :)
Actually, where I am currently is fine. I have lots of time to play with Linux. However, in previous positions, I have built custom desktops and also supported them. Some companies lock things down so much, users can't change anything. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 31 December 2006 05:12, James Knott wrote:
Kai Ponte wrote:
Many businesses like to customize their systems. Some do not care for such "frivolous" things.
Remind me never to work wherever it is you're at. :)
Actually, where I am currently is fine. I have lots of time to play with Linux. However, in previous positions, I have built custom desktops and also supported them. Some companies lock things down so much, users can't change anything.
Tell me about it! We're going live Tuesday with a massive system, which has been pushed out to about 1000 (Wintendo) desktops. Some are so locked down that the system just doesn't work. We've been working through this for weeks now. (sigh) OTOH, I once wrote an imaging front-end for a Sheriff department here in SoCal. http://www.filesite.org/viewtopic.php?t=173 The interface was to an IMS database, DB2 database (both on AS390's) and a SQL Server database. When determining if results were found, I put a default "not found" message: "No results found - Bummer." When I gave a demo, the "bummer" message came up, as I had forgotten to remove it. I instantly apologized and told the administrative staff I'd remove the message. They told me to leave it in, as they "needed some humor in the department." AFAIK, it is still there today. -- kai - theperfectreign@yahoo.com www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com www.filesite.org || www.donutmonster.com wo ist der ort für den ehrlichsten kuss ich weiss, dass ich ihn für uns finden muss... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2006-12-31 at 16:09 -0800, Kai Ponte wrote:
Server database. When determining if results were found, I put a default "not found" message: "No results found - Bummer."
When I gave a demo, the "bummer" message came up, as I had forgotten to remove it. I instantly apologized and told the administrative staff I'd remove the message. They told me to leave it in, as they "needed some humor in the department."
Programmers seem to have a "funny" sense of humour. I remember reading a report about a book in the old PC Magazine; I don't remember if it was undocumented windows or undocumented dos. It seems a programmer had to put a goto statement in the code and named the label something like "icantbelieveihadtouseagotostatement" or some thing like that ;-) - -- A programmer was found dead this evening in his shower. In his hand he still held a shampoo bottle. The label read thus: "apply, rub, rinse, repeat". Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFmF5XtTMYHG2NR9URAr29AKCCk+/dQduAASCySoCZuYR89M6DJACeNLz2 e/VO7JAsquXCKyLl22UNRJU= =4MVr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 31 December 2006 20:05, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Sunday 2006-12-31 at 16:09 -0800, Kai Ponte wrote:
Server database. When determining if results were found, I put a default "not found" message: "No results found - Bummer."
When I gave a demo, the "bummer" message came up, as I had forgotten to remove it. I instantly apologized and told the administrative staff I'd remove the message. They told me to leave it in, as they "needed some humor in the department."
Programmers seem to have a "funny" sense of humour. I remember reading a report about a book in the old PC Magazine; I don't remember if it was undocumented windows or undocumented dos. It seems a programmer had to put a goto statement in the code and named the label something like "icantbelieveihadtouseagotostatement" or some thing like that ;-)
A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away we had a controller program for a in-house database in the Air Force that had to clean itself up nicely if the rest of the application was signalled to die. It was an independent process not related as parent or child, but logically considered superior to the applications. The function to do this located the controller process, put the PID in a variable called "daBoss", and issued kill( daBoss, ...); It was very popular during the code review. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
James Knott wrote:
I don't subscribe to the Factory mailing list. Nor do I. Why should it be necessary to subscribe to any mailing list to disable such a thing.
Your kids may love it, but many people don't. Like I said, it is all about choice. It was programmed to be random (default config), showing up more often during Christmas time. It will become more seldom on its own. I read the previous thread here and turned mine on all the time for my home machines (I think it is a great
It isn't. I said nothing about subscribing, only that the answer was there. Subscribing now would not get you the answer, since that was some time ago. You asked for the answer on this mailing list, which had that question asked and answered a couple of weeks ago. You are also a member of this list already, but obviously did not pay attention to that answer. Your penalty is to search in the archives, either this one to find the link to the Factory list where the answer came from the SUSE programmer that made it, or to search there. No subscription necessary. piece of work). I could have disabled it entirely.
It's not appropriate for use in a business.
A boot screen? What business using Linux boots often enough for it to matter?
So, how do I get rid of it?
From Steffen's email on the Factory list (Since you obviously do not want to take the time to search for it yourself, but would rather debate it).
# mkdir foo # cd foo # cpio -i
# edit something
# find | cpio -o >/boot/message You edit gfxboot.cfg, for your case, replacing -1 with 0.
-- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.2 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag, 31. Dezember 2006 02:34 schrieb Joe Morris (NTM):
James Knott wrote:
Whenever I boot my notebook computer, after installing 10.2, I get those "Marching Penguins".
The screen is programmed to be randomly shown.
I dont think so. I've seen nothing but those since I installed my machine (Maybe its because i did the install on december 24th?) bye, MH -- gpg key fingerprint: 5F64 4C92 9B77 DE37 D184 C5F9 B013 44E7 27BD 763C -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 12:35:46PM +0100, Mathias Homann wrote:
Am Sonntag, 31. Dezember 2006 02:34 schrieb Joe Morris (NTM):
James Knott wrote:
Whenever I boot my notebook computer, after installing 10.2, I get those "Marching Penguins".
The screen is programmed to be randomly shown.
I dont think so. I've seen nothing but those since I installed my machine (Maybe its because i did the install on december 24th?)
During the Christmas holidays it will happen every time I think. After new year you will likely not see it anymore. And who cares about the GRUB splashscreen? It is shown for 1 second before I hit return when booting my machine once a day. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 12:42 +0100, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 12:35:46PM +0100, Mathias Homann wrote:
Am Sonntag, 31. Dezember 2006 02:34 schrieb Joe Morris (NTM):
James Knott wrote:
Whenever I boot my notebook computer, after installing 10.2, I get those "Marching Penguins".
The screen is programmed to be randomly shown.
I dont think so. I've seen nothing but those since I installed my machine (Maybe its because i did the install on december 24th?)
During the Christmas holidays it will happen every time I think.
After new year you will likely not see it anymore.
And who cares about the GRUB splashscreen? It is shown for 1 second before I hit return when booting my machine once a day.
Ciao, Marcus
Indeed Marcus! However, booting once a day? I assume these are kernel development machines? Only that would justify booting that often! ;-) My own server (mail, updates, repo, web etc) has an uptime nearly 900 days. And that was only because of a ciy wide black-out. Only justification of watching the grub splash, is when using notebooks... Hans -- pgp-id: 926EBB12 pgp-fingerprint: BE97 1CBF FAC4 236C 4A73 F76E EDFC D032 926E BB12 Registered linux user: 75761 (http://counter.li.org) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Marcus Meissner escribió:
And who cares about the GRUB splashscreen? It is shown for 1 second before I hit return when booting my machine once a day.
Some peopel seems to have too much spare time to worry or complain about a simple splashscreen, that he may see less than 10 seconds a day. **grin**.
Cristian Rodriguez R. wrote:
Marcus Meissner escribió:
And who cares about the GRUB splashscreen? It is shown for 1 second before I hit return when booting my machine once a day.
Some peopel seems to have too much spare time to worry or complain about a simple splashscreen, that he may see less than 10 seconds a day. **grin**.
Tell that to someone who's building a corporate desktop, and his boss says the penguins have to go. Many companies are very fussy about what appears on their computers. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2007-01-01 at 12:33 -0500, James Knott wrote:
Tell that to someone who's building a corporate desktop, and his boss says the penguins have to go.
Many companies are very fussy about what appears on their computers.
I agree with James. The corporate worry may not even be about themselves but about the impression on any customers etc who might happen to see it. It takes a bold IT guy to be willing to argue the toss against anybody (management, marketing?) who might raise an objection later. Far simpler to just make things look 'professional' from the start. Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-01-01 at 17:42 -0000, Dave Howorth wrote:
marketing?) who might raise an objection later. Far simpler to just make things look 'professional' from the start.
Then get the professional version, not the "geek" version :-p - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFmWBEtTMYHG2NR9URAhyhAJwLoBUIy0vl06ki4h7NnTW6rmJ1tACdH+nn dQFnsL5sc+izJEzSGULeMsw= =UK0r -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 01 January 2007 10:25, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Monday 2007-01-01 at 17:42 -0000, Dave Howorth wrote:
marketing?) who might raise an objection later. Far simpler to just make things look 'professional' from the start.
Then get the professional version, not the "geek" version :-p
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
Exactly So! If is boss is going to be evaluating software, even assuming his boss is competent, and look and feel at boot time is what makes or breaks the deal then get SLED, not opensuse.. His boss sounds like the kind of guy who needs that security blanket of a check being printed and mailed to pay for the software. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
On Monday 01 January 2007 04:57 pm, John Andersen wrote:
On Monday 01 January 2007 10:25, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Monday 2007-01-01 at 17:42 -0000, Dave Howorth wrote:
marketing?) who might raise an objection later. Far simpler to just make things look 'professional' from the start.
Then get the professional version, not the "geek" version :-p
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
Exactly So! If is boss is going to be evaluating software, even assuming his boss is competent, and look and feel at boot time is what makes or breaks the deal then get SLED, not opensuse..
His boss sounds like the kind of guy who needs that security blanket of a check being printed and mailed to pay for the software.
This is correct; the computing world does not begin and end with bean counting. Leave some space for Grandma and little Timmy. They matter. -- Oppressing the poor in order to enrich oneself, and giving to the rich, will lead only to loss. - Proverbs 22:16-16 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Mandag 01 januar 2007 23:41 skrev Mike Grello:
On Monday 01 January 2007 04:57 pm, John Andersen wrote:
On Monday 01 January 2007 10:25, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Monday 2007-01-01 at 17:42 -0000, Dave Howorth wrote:
marketing?) who might raise an objection later. Far simpler to just make things look 'professional' from the start.
Then get the professional version, not the "geek" version :-p
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
Exactly So! If is boss is going to be evaluating software, even assuming his boss is competent, and look and feel at boot time is what makes or breaks the deal then get SLED, not opensuse..
His boss sounds like the kind of guy who needs that security blanket of a check being printed and mailed to pay for the software.
This is correct; the computing world does not begin and end with bean counting. Leave some space for Grandma and little Timmy. They matter.
Dear list, - please allow me to add a few of my own observations gathered from working with the Linux/SuSE desktop in corporate environments... a) Management indeed tends to be very fuzzy about what's on their PC's. They do because they are used to a MS-Windows environment, where this is an important issue. b) Namedropping is popular. I always see to that company logos etc., are properly displayed just about everywhere when I go to a first time demo of an application or a desktop for a buyer. Having a logozied (new word :-)) setup is a fine icebreaker. Even you could argue that it's ever so primitive, it works. I ALLWAYS see to that the first desktop background sports the company logo. They don't say anything..., but they love it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard +===============================================================+ Powered by openSUSE 10.2 (i586) Kernel: 2.6.18.2-34-default KDE: 3.5.5 "release 45" 9:50am oppe 0:40, 2 users, belastningennemsnit: 0,05, 0,15, 0,19 +===============================================================+ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
<snip> b) Namedropping is popular. I always see to that company logos etc., are properly displayed just about everywhere when I go to a first time demo of an application or a desktop for a buyer. Having a logozied (new word :-)) setup is a fine icebreaker. Even you could argue that it's ever so primitive, it works. I ALLWAYS see to that the first desktop background sports the company logo. They don't say anything..., but they love it. Some of them actually understand that you had to do some extra special work to put their corporate logo in the splash screen. That is what they appreciate. It means you are willing to do a little bit extra just for
On 2007-01-02 02:55, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote: them (of course, only one or two realize you did the same thing for their competitors too :-) ) -- The best way to accelerate a computer running Windows is at 9.81 m/s² -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2007-01-02 at 15:09 -0600, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
works. I ALLWAYS see to that the first desktop background sports the company logo. They don't say anything..., but they love it. Some of them actually understand that you had to do some extra special work to put their corporate logo in the splash screen. That is what they appreciate. It means you are willing to do a little bit extra just for them (of course, only one or two realize you did the same thing for their competitors too :-) )
I hated when I had to code all those "little cosmetic changes". They took way longer to implement than all the previous coding. Well, I exagerate a bit, of course, but you get the idea... - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFmuiNtTMYHG2NR9URAkdYAJ4omSQlJHV0uMtUjAl1URxg1N9tugCdGBU1 mA8hbHc+RRU6dwhmckRTqWU= =LGxc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Gordon Keehn wrote:
The best way to accelerate a computer running Windows is at 9.81 m/s²
Would that be Windows 98.1? (Sorry 'bout that. O:-) )
Only if it were on an original Pentium with the FP bug! :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2007-01-01 at 12:57 -0900, John Andersen wrote:
On Monday 01 January 2007 10:25, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Monday 2007-01-01 at 17:42 -0000, Dave Howorth wrote:
marketing?) who might raise an objection later. Far simpler to just make things look 'professional' from the start.
Then get the professional version, not the "geek" version :-p
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
Exactly So! If is boss is going to be evaluating software, even assuming his boss is competent, and look and feel at boot time is what makes or breaks the deal then get SLED, not opensuse..
His boss sounds like the kind of guy who needs that security blanket of a check being printed and mailed to pay for the software.
Might that be because that security blanket pays for "support"?, the magic bullet to any and all ills. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 01 January 2007 09:33, James Knott wrote:
Cristian Rodriguez R. wrote:
Marcus Meissner escribió:
And who cares about the GRUB splashscreen? It is shown for 1 second before I hit return when booting my machine once a day.
Some peopel seems to have too much spare time to worry or complain about a simple splashscreen, that he may see less than 10 seconds a day. **grin**.
Tell that to someone who's building a corporate desktop, and his boss says the penguins have to go.
Tell the boss to get a life! Easter eggs rock!
Many companies are very fussy about what appears on their computers.
No kidding...sigh. -- kai - theperfectreign@yahoo.com www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com www.filesite.org || www.donutmonster.com wo ist der ort für den ehrlichsten kuss ich weiss, dass ich ihn für uns finden muss... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-01-01 at 15:23 -0800, Kai Ponte wrote:
Some peopel seems to have too much spare time to worry or complain about a simple splashscreen, that he may see less than 10 seconds a day. **grin**.
Tell that to someone who's building a corporate desktop, and his boss says the penguins have to go.
Tell the boss to get a life!
Easter eggs rock!
:-) The boss can not be very serious when he uses an operating system that costs less than fifty euros :-P - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFmZxctTMYHG2NR9URAqVOAJwMiOPf2XhkcfmP4z3qmR/43oJqkgCdH/Rb GAU9A2gSdqNOn1SG7101soI= =QqUQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 31 December 2006 05:35, Mathias Homann wrote:
Am Sonntag, 31. Dezember 2006 02:34 schrieb Joe Morris (NTM):
James Knott wrote:
Whenever I boot my notebook computer, after installing 10.2, I get those "Marching Penguins".
The screen is programmed to be randomly shown.
I dont think so. I've seen nothing but those since I installed my machine (Maybe its because i did the install on december 24th?)
If you install the gfxboot package, you can find the percentage calculation in the source file /usr/share/gfxboot/themes/SuSE/common.inc (search for "penguin.percent"). -- Glenn Holmer (Q-Link: ShadowM) http://www.lyonlabs.org/commodore/c64.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 James Knott schrieb:
Whenever I boot my notebook computer, after installing 10.2, I get
those "Marching Penguins". While they may have been cute around
Christmas, they're beginning to wear thin. Is there any simple way
to get rid of them? Why on earth is there such a thing on
something that should be used in business?
so you read the info ? :D like it or hate it!!! and theres also an description how to get rid of it!! cheers happy new year!! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFlzUFI2s6na0vU1cRAi8OAJ9auD1hymeBY6A0yiQrEH2XR3fZAwCeJYiN FAcazLpvcPH/dxeOJlw4blo= =nZhR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 31 December 2006 04:56, lala [c] wrote:
James Knott schrieb:
Whenever I boot my notebook
computer, after installing 10.2, I get
those "Marching Penguins". While they may have been cute around
Christmas, they're beginning to wear thin. Is there any simple
way
to get rid of them?
This list is for red Hat Linux. You can't get rid of marching penguins. When you sign up to the list you have to check the box that says 'I accept marching penguins'. If you don't check the box then you can't use Red Hat Linux. It's as simple as that. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Primm wrote:
On Sunday 31 December 2006 04:56, lala [c] wrote:
James Knott schrieb:
Whenever I boot my notebook
computer, after installing 10.2, I get
those "Marching Penguins". While they may have been cute around
Christmas, they're beginning to wear thin. Is there any simple
way
to get rid of them?
This list is for red Hat Linux. You can't get rid of marching penguins. When you sign up to the list you have to check the box that says 'I accept marching penguins'. If you don't check the box then you can't use Red Hat Linux. It's as simple as that.
???? I thought this was a SUSE list. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006-12-30 19:06, James Knott wrote:
Whenever I boot my notebook computer, after installing 10.2, I get those "Marching Penguins". While they may have been cute around Christmas, they're beginning to wear thin. Is there any simple way to get rid of them? Why on earth is there such a thing on something that should be used in business?
Having now seen the marching penguins for the very first time, I for one vote for seasonal penguins -- e.g. summer penguins could be water-skiing and riding bikes. Hmm, penguins on a beach wearing sunglasses, now that would be cool. I could be talked into always using a graphical bootsplash for that. -- The best way to accelerate a computer running Windows is at 9.81 m/s² -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2007-01-05 at 14:44 -0600, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2006-12-30 19:06, James Knott wrote:
Whenever I boot my notebook computer, after installing 10.2, I get those "Marching Penguins". While they may have been cute around Christmas, they're beginning to wear thin. Is there any simple way to get rid of them? Why on earth is there such a thing on something that should be used in business?
Having now seen the marching penguins for the very first time, I for one vote for seasonal penguins -- e.g. summer penguins could be water-skiing and riding bikes. Hmm, penguins on a beach wearing sunglasses, now that would be cool.
Precisely what we are doing down here in southern Florida now, "on a beach wearing sunglasses" or in my case out sailing. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 05 January 2007 19:11, Kenneth Schneider wrote:
Having now seen the marching penguins for the very first time, I for one vote for seasonal penguins -- e.g. summer penguins could be water-skiing and riding bikes. Hmm, penguins on a beach wearing sunglasses, now that would be cool.
Precisely what we are doing down here in southern Florida now, "on a beach wearing sunglasses" or in my case out sailing.
Only when you're not ducking the next hurry-cane... right? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2007-01-05 at 19:32 -0500, Bruce Marshall wrote:
On Friday 05 January 2007 19:11, Kenneth Schneider wrote:
Having now seen the marching penguins for the very first time, I for one vote for seasonal penguins -- e.g. summer penguins could be water-skiing and riding bikes. Hmm, penguins on a beach wearing sunglasses, now that would be cool.
Precisely what we are doing down here in southern Florida now, "on a beach wearing sunglasses" or in my case out sailing.
Only when you're not ducking the next hurry-cane... right?
Hurry-cane season runs 5/1-11/30, so not at this time of the year. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2007-01-05 18:11, Kenneth Schneider wrote:
<snip> Precisely what we are doing down here in southern Florida now, "on a beach wearing sunglasses" or in my case out sailing.
Thanks, Ken, but I don't care about *you* wearing sunglasses, I only care about *penguins* wearing sunglasses :-) (stir, stir, stir ) -- The best way to accelerate a computer running Windows is at 9.81 m/s² -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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