On 2021-11-21 00:28:09 Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

|On 21.11.2021 05:31, J Leslie Turriff wrote: |> I know how to use YaST and zypper to manage my software packages, but |> the other day I discovered that something called packagekit was also |> active on my system. (I have disabled it.) |> How does packagekit relate to YaST and zypper? | |PackageKit has zypper plugin that performs actual tasks related to package | management on (open)SUSE. | |> Are they aware of each other? | |zypper plugin is based on the same libzypp as zypper and YaST. I do not | know what "aware" means for you, but PackageKit and zypper use the same | libzypp locking to avoid performing concurrent changes. | |> Does |> packagekit have access to my repository list, | |Yes. | |> and does it update things in the background |> without my knowledge? | |PackageKit is daemon that runs in background (usually started on demand) | and performs privileged actions (like package installation) on behalf of | (usually, unprivileged) clients. It is up to these clients to request | update. Software management programs of many desktop environments like | KDE or GNOME are based on and call PackageKit. You need to consult | documentation of these programs whether they do (or can be configured to) | perform installation "without your knowledge". | |PackageKit also provides command line client and systemd timer/service to | perform updates using this client. To my best knowledge these units are | disabled by default. | |> I wonder, because my desktop has been behaving strangely, and a new |> release of it has been published, to which I have not yet explicitly |> upgraded. |> |> Leslie |> -- |> Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.3 x86_64

I suppose then, since PackageKit-backend-zypp is not installed on my system, packagekit cannot work through zypper; so will it still be able to install updates? Leslie -- Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.3 x86_64

On 2021-11-21 01:43:49 Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

|On 21.11.2021 10:13, J Leslie Turriff wrote: |> I suppose then, since PackageKit-backend-zypp is not installed on my |> system, packagekit cannot work through zypper; so will it still be |> able to install updates? | |PackageKit-backend-zypp is required by PackageKit, so if it is not | installed then PackageKit is not installed either.

Interesting. Packagekit is installed, but not PackageKit-backend-zypp. (I disabled packagekit when I discovered it was active.) Here's what zypper tells me about packagekit: ~ | ● zypper se packagekit | Loading repository data... | Reading installed packages... | | S | Name | Summary | Type | ---+----------------------------------------+------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+----------- | l | PackageKit | Simple software installation management software | package | | PackageKit | Simple software installation management software | srcpackage | | PackageKit-Qt | Simple software installation management software | srcpackage | | PackageKit-Qt-devel | Simple software installation management software | package | | PackageKit-backend-dnf | DNF backend for the PackageKit installation management software | package | | PackageKit-backend-dnf-debuginfo | Debug information for package PackageKit-backend-dnf | package | | PackageKit-backend-zypp | Zypp backend for the PackageKit installation management software | package | | PackageKit-backend-zypp-debuginfo | Debug information for package PackageKit-backend-zypp | package | | PackageKit-branding-openSUSE | Simple software installation management software -- openSUSE default configuration | package | | PackageKit-branding-openSUSE | Simple software installation management software -- openSUSE default configuration | srcpackage | | PackageKit-branding-upstream | Upstream configuration for the PackageKit installation management software | package | | PackageKit-debuginfo | Debug information for package PackageKit | package | | PackageKit-debugsource | Debug sources for package PackageKit | package | | PackageKit-devel | Header files for development with PackageKit | package | | PackageKit-devel-debuginfo | Debug information for package PackageKit-devel | package | i | PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin | Install GStreamer codecs using PackageKit | package | | PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin-debuginfo | Debug information for package PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin | package | i | PackageKit-gtk3-module | Install fonts automatically using PackageKit | package | | PackageKit-gtk3-module-debuginfo | Debug information for package PackageKit-gtk3-module | package | | PackageKit-lang | Translations for package PackageKit | package | | discover-backend-packagekit | PackageKit Backend for Discover | package | i | gnome-packagekit | Applications for the PackageKit API | package | | gnome-packagekit | Applications for the PackageKit API | srcpackage | | gnome-packagekit-debuginfo | Debug information for package gnome-packagekit | package | | gnome-packagekit-debugsource | Debug sources for package gnome-packagekit | package | | gnome-packagekit-extras | Extra applications for the PackageKit API | package | | gnome-packagekit-extras-debuginfo | Debug information for package gnome-packagekit-extras | package | i | gnome-packagekit-lang | Translations for package gnome-packagekit | package | i | libpackagekit-glib2-18 | GLib integration of PackageKit | package | | libpackagekit-glib2-18-32bit | GLib integration of PackageKit | package | | libpackagekit-glib2-18-32bit-debuginfo | Debug information for package libpackagekit-glib2-18 | package | | libpackagekit-glib2-18-debuginfo | Debug information for package libpackagekit-glib2-18 | package | | libpackagekit-glib2-devel | GLib integration of PackageKit | package | | libpackagekit-glib2-devel-32bit | GLib integration of PackageKit | package | | libpackagekitqt5-1 | Simple software installation management software | package | | libpackagekitqt5-1-debuginfo | Debug information for package libpackagekitqt5-1 | package | i | typelib-1_0-PackageKitGlib-1_0 | Introspection bindings for PackageKit's GLib integration | package | @01:10:35,root@pinto rc=0 Leslie -- Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.3 x86_64

On 2021-11-22 11:25:15 Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

|Re: YaST, zypper and packagekit | From: Andrei Borzenkov <arvidjaar@gmail.com> | To: users@lists.opensuse.org | |On 22.11.2021 17:29, J Leslie Turriff wrote: |> On 2021-11-21 01:43:49 Andrei Borzenkov wrote: |> |> |>       Interesting.  Packagekit is installed, | |No, it is not. At least not according to output you provided. | |> but not PackageKit-backend-zypp.  (I disabled |> packagekit when I discovered it was active.)  Here's what zypper tells |> me about packagekit:

I can't remember now, but presumably I must have removed it after I disabled it; so that list is now suspect. I see now that it is locked but not installed, which makes sense; I don't want anything installing it behind my back in future. Leslie -- Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.3 x86_64