[opensuse] Online Repositories have become quite unreliable
I must say the openSUSE repositories (download.opensuse.org) have become quite unreliable for me lately. Like tonight, I am trying to setup a new machine and whlep... guess what? Repositories are down. They were down a few days ago and not to mention the major hardware failure in janurary. Some will say "What do you expect, it's free". My response to that is, I am one of the many that have actually paid for the openSUSE versions, since I do support the project and support novell as a company. I also have several licesnse of SLED and am pushing SLES in our enterprise (currently RHEL). Sorry.. just ranting.. Ben -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Ben Kevan wrote:
I must say the openSUSE repositories (download.opensuse.org) have become quite unreliable for me lately. Like tonight, I am trying to setup a new machine and whlep... guess what? Repositories are down. They were down a few days ago and not to mention the major hardware failure in janurary. Some will say "What do you expect, it's free". My response to that is, I am one of the many that have actually paid for the openSUSE versions, since I do support the project and support novell as a company.
I also have several licesnse of SLED and am pushing SLES in our enterprise (currently RHEL).
LOL keep pushing - we used to be a redhat shop, all sles now. One small example: on our formerly redhat powered dns servers, which serve about 1000 domains, the named process would crash at random intervals. each dns server would crash several times a week, with something in the logs about "failed assertion at line xxx..." It was apparently a known problem with redhat on smp. It was so bad, we had a cron job running on all dns servers, to check every 3 minutes whether dns was still up, and restart it as needed. After we switched to suse, I realized some months later that we had never added the cron job to babysit named. It's been a few years now, and not one of the dns servers has ever even hicupped running sles. That's one example, there are other things I could tell you, but long story short, we found that sles was just a lot more solid. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 07 March 2008 07:50:04 pm Joe Sloan wrote:
Ben Kevan wrote:
I must say the openSUSE repositories (download.opensuse.org) have become quite unreliable for me lately. Like tonight, I am trying to setup a new machine and whlep... guess what? Repositories are down. They were down a few days ago and not to mention the major hardware failure in janurary. Some will say "What do you expect, it's free". My response to that is, I am one of the many that have actually paid for the openSUSE versions, since I do support the project and support novell as a company.
I also have several licesnse of SLED and am pushing SLES in our enterprise (currently RHEL).
LOL keep pushing - we used to be a redhat shop, all sles now.
One small example: on our formerly redhat powered dns servers, which serve about 1000 domains, the named process would crash at random intervals. each dns server would crash several times a week, with something in the logs about "failed assertion at line xxx..." It was apparently a known problem with redhat on smp. It was so bad, we had a cron job running on all dns servers, to check every 3 minutes whether dns was still up, and restart it as needed.
After we switched to suse, I realized some months later that we had never added the cron job to babysit named. It's been a few years now, and not one of the dns servers has ever even hicupped running sles.
That's one example, there are other things I could tell you, but long story short, we found that sles was just a lot more solid.
Joe
Well that's good to know. I am actually a newer "acting Jr Linux Admin". My company is pretty new into the linux world and the senior admin they hired is a RHCE so obviously he pushed RHEL. My role is a VMWare / Sr Windows / Storage administrator and they recently realize.. I know what I am doing when it comes to the Linux stuff, so they are leveraging me. I hope I can start getting more SLES in (Price would be a huge drive if it were lower) otherwise.. it'd be my word vs's the other admins. I am comfortable with both but am much more versed in zypper (we use rhel 4 which uses up2date). We actually run most servers with TWM (depending on the need). Our DNS etc run on Unix server (for now) .. hope that heads our way. :o) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Ben Kevan wrote:
Well that's good to know. I am actually a newer "acting Jr Linux Admin". My company is pretty new into the linux world and the senior admin they hired is a RHCE so obviously he pushed RHEL. My role is a VMWare / Sr Windows / Storage administrator and they recently realize.. I know what I am doing when it comes to the Linux stuff, so they are leveraging me.
I hope I can start getting more SLES in (Price would be a huge drive if it were lower) otherwise.. it'd be my word vs's the other admins. I am comfortable with both but am much more versed in zypper (we use rhel 4 which uses up2date). We actually run most servers with TWM (depending on the need).
Our DNS etc run on Unix server (for now) .. hope that heads our way. :o)
Things should head your way, if your company is watching the bottom line. We've been migrating a lot of unix services off of hpux and onto linux, and it's gone quite well. Now we're looking at moving oracle over, hopefully the proof of concept will be convincing. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 07 March 2008 08:12:02 pm Joe Sloan wrote:
Ben Kevan wrote:
Well that's good to know. I am actually a newer "acting Jr Linux Admin". My company is pretty new into the linux world and the senior admin they hired is a RHCE so obviously he pushed RHEL. My role is a VMWare / Sr Windows / Storage administrator and they recently realize.. I know what I am doing when it comes to the Linux stuff, so they are leveraging me.
I hope I can start getting more SLES in (Price would be a huge drive if it were lower) otherwise.. it'd be my word vs's the other admins. I am comfortable with both but am much more versed in zypper (we use rhel 4 which uses up2date). We actually run most servers with TWM (depending on the need).
Our DNS etc run on Unix server (for now) .. hope that heads our way. :o)
Things should head your way, if your company is watching the bottom line. We've been migrating a lot of unix services off of hpux and onto linux, and it's gone quite well. Now we're looking at moving oracle over, hopefully the proof of concept will be convincing.
Joe
Ah yes, I am building a POC Oracle setup right now. Also getting ready to move some functions on sun boxes onto Linux and possibly some AIX / HPUX stuff shortly. Once more stuff comes the linux way then i'll hopefully switch roles from a Sr Windows admin to a Jr Linux Admin (same pay scale) but better growth. I am actually planning on taking the CompTia Linux+ and RHCT this year and possibly RHCE and LPIC 1 next year.. We'll see I am pretty comfortable in linux including the command line. Oh well.. repo's still down.. my lamp server will suffer.. haha Ben -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 07 March 2008 08:12:02 pm Joe Sloan wrote:
Our DNS etc run on Unix server (for now) .. hope that heads our way. :o)
Things should head your way, if your company is watching the bottom line. We've been migrating a lot of unix services off of hpux and onto linux, and it's gone quite well. Now we're looking at moving oracle over, hopefully the proof of concept will be convincing.
this is probably going to get me canned, but I was talking to my programmers today. Does Oracle run on openSUSE or SLES? -- kai www.filesite.org || www.4thedadz.com || www.perfectreign.com remember - a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Kai Ponte wrote:
On Friday 07 March 2008 08:12:02 pm Joe Sloan wrote:
Our DNS etc run on Unix server (for now) .. hope that heads our way. :o) Things should head your way, if your company is watching the bottom line. We've been migrating a lot of unix services off of hpux and onto linux, and it's gone quite well. Now we're looking at moving oracle over, hopefully the proof of concept will be convincing.
this is probably going to get me canned, but I was talking to my programmers today.
Does Oracle run on openSUSE or SLES?
It's officially supported on SLES, but I'd bet that it can be made to run on opensuse as well. Thing is, not many people running oracle would choose to run it on an unsupported platform unless it's just for test or training. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Does Oracle run on openSUSE or SLES?
It's officially supported on SLES, but I'd bet that it can be made to run on opensuse as well. Thing is, not many people running oracle would choose to run it on an unsupported platform unless it's just for test or training.
It will run. I used to run Oracle10g on openSUSE all the time as a test platform. You do have to tinker a little with the Oracle installer to get it to go though. It does a check to see if you are installing on a supported OS, and errors out if it does not find what it is expecting. Once you convince it that your openSUSE is in the supported list (even though it isn't in real life) it installs and runs fine. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Clayton wrote:
It will run. I used to run Oracle10g on openSUSE all the time as a test platform. You do have to tinker a little with the Oracle installer to get it to go though. It does a check to see if you are installing on a supported OS, and errors out if it does not find what it is expecting. Once you convince it that your openSUSE is in the supported list (even though it isn't in real life) it installs and runs fine.
Good to know, thanks - Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 21:16 -0800, Kai Ponte wrote:
On Friday 07 March 2008 08:12:02 pm Joe Sloan wrote:
Our DNS etc run on Unix server (for now) .. hope that heads our way. :o)
Things should head your way, if your company is watching the bottom line. We've been migrating a lot of unix services off of hpux and onto linux, and it's gone quite well. Now we're looking at moving oracle over, hopefully the proof of concept will be convincing.
this is probably going to get me canned, but I was talking to my programmers today.
Does Oracle run on openSUSE or SLES?
Are you 100% convinced that you realy do need oracle? afair, the licence fee for oracle is rather .... substantial At work we did a product with oracle & HPOV on Slowaris and HPUX. Customers complained about the price (90% third party licence fees) Have another look at postgress and mysql. Every penny saved is worthwhile. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 19:38 -0800, Ben Kevan wrote:
I must say the openSUSE repositories (download.opensuse.org) have become quite unreliable for me lately. Like tonight, I am trying to setup a new machine and whlep... guess what? Repositories are down. They were down a few days ago and not to mention the major hardware failure in janurary. Some will say "What do you expect, it's free". My response to that is, I am one of the many that have actually paid for the openSUSE versions, since I do support the project and support novell as a company.
If you feel you become dependand on the availability of the extra repo's, then there is nothing to stop you of mirroring all or some of them to a private mirror. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 08 March 2008 02:36:09 am Hans Witvliet wrote:
If you feel you become dependand on the availability of the extra repo's, then there is nothing to stop you of mirroring all or some of them to a private mirror.
Sure there is. Disk space :o) Haha, but yes. I am now considering to rsync a private repo to me. But only if my openSUSE base grows larger then it is. 1 production machine, 1 development machine and 1 production work box. :o) Ben -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, 8 Mar 2008, Ben Kevan wrote:-
On Saturday 08 March 2008 02:36:09 am Hans Witvliet wrote:
If you feel you become dependand on the availability of the extra repo's, then there is nothing to stop you of mirroring all or some of them to a private mirror.
Sure there is. Disk space :o)
That shouldn't be too much of a problem. My mirrors of 10.1, 10.2 and 10.3 are 22GiB, 15GiB and 11GiB respectively.
Haha, but yes. I am now considering to rsync a private repo to me. But only if my openSUSE base grows larger then it is. 1 production machine, 1 development machine and 1 production work box.
I have 2 machines running each version, except 10.3 where I now have 5[0]. I mirror the updates repo because it means I only download the updates once rather several times, once each for each of the different machines. The only "problem" I have with this is the time it takes to download the updates from the mirror. Due to the connection between the mirror I use and myself is fairly slow, I don't often manage more than ~80KiB/s. This sometimes means the mirroring can take upto 5 hours to complete, especially when there are kernel updates, or other very large packages that are updated. [0] Only 4 10.3 systems use my local mirror. The last one is the sole PPC system, and I don't bother mirroring that as I think it would be a waste of time, bandwidth and disc space. Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: http://www.distributed.net/ OGR-P2 @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~15Mkeys SUSE 10.1 32bit | openSUSE 10.2 32bit | openSUSE 10.3 32bit | openSUSE 11.0a1 SUSE 10.1 64bit | openSUSE 10.2 64bit | openSUSE 10.3 64bit RISC OS 3.6 | TOS 4.02 | openSUSE 10.3 PPC | RISC OS 3.11 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 08 March 2008 07:25:26 am David Bolt wrote:
On Sat, 8 Mar 2008, Ben Kevan wrote:-
On Saturday 08 March 2008 02:36:09 am Hans Witvliet wrote:
If you feel you become dependand on the availability of the extra repo's, then there is nothing to stop you of mirroring all or some of them to a private mirror.
Sure there is. Disk space :o)
That shouldn't be too much of a problem. My mirrors of 10.1, 10.2 and 10.3 are 22GiB, 15GiB and 11GiB respectively.
Haha, but yes. I am now considering to rsync a private repo to me. But only if my openSUSE base grows larger then it is. 1 production machine, 1 development machine and 1 production work box.
I have 2 machines running each version, except 10.3 where I now have 5[0]. I mirror the updates repo because it means I only download the updates once rather several times, once each for each of the different machines. The only "problem" I have with this is the time it takes to download the updates from the mirror. Due to the connection between the mirror I use and myself is fairly slow, I don't often manage more than ~80KiB/s. This sometimes means the mirroring can take upto 5 hours to complete, especially when there are kernel updates, or other very large packages that are updated.
[0] Only 4 10.3 systems use my local mirror. The last one is the sole PPC system, and I don't bother mirroring that as I think it would be a waste of time, bandwidth and disc space.
Regards, David Bolt
Yes, but I use many other repo's that are not considered "update" repositories (ie php, database, windowsmanager, kde, gnome stable, home dir's and the list goes on). That there is a lot of space.. haha. Ben -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2008-03-08 at 09:47 -0800, Ben Kevan wrote:
[0] Only 4 10.3 systems use my local mirror. The last one is the sole PPC system, and I don't bother mirroring that as I think it would be a waste of time, bandwidth and disc space.
Regards, David Bolt
Yes, but I use many other repo's that are not considered "update" repositories (ie php, database, windowsmanager, kde, gnome stable, home dir's and the list goes on).
That there is a lot of space.. haha.
Ben
About an odd 300GB... # du -sh * 264M NX 0 aurora 42G centos 22G guru 66G packman 363G repo 112G suse 55G ubuntu 0 ubuntu-freenx 248G ubuntu-full Just slightly more than Ubuntu. And also slightly less than FreeBSD, (which i just accidentally seems to have moved to /dev/null ;-)) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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