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Basil is right, this issue is ridiculous. All versions of KDE 4.x until 4.3.5 on 2 of my desktops had no problems with separate wallpapers for each virtual desktop. KDE 4.3.5 broke this functionality (https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=224775). And now, as Basil had described in the previous post, KDE 4.4.0 offers an over-complicated solution involving different activities to a problem that should not have existed in the first place. Can someone explain why do we need both virtual desktops and activities? Regards, Vadym -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 02/13/2010 04:38 PM, Vadym Krevs wrote:
Basil is right, this issue is ridiculous.
All versions of KDE 4.x until 4.3.5 on 2 of my desktops had no problems with separate wallpapers for each virtual desktop. KDE 4.3.5 broke this functionality (https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=224775). And now, as Basil had described in the previous post, KDE 4.4.0 offers an over-complicated solution involving different activities to a problem that should not have existed in the first place. Can someone explain why do we need both virtual desktops and activities?
Regards, Vadym
You don't need to. I never have and don't see myself ever using virtual desktops and desktop activities. I'm sure for one developer those capabilities helped with development work by allowing setup and saving of different pre-configured desktops holding all apps and views relative to each project he was involved in. Maybe he does both nepomuk development, dbus and PolicyKit -- whatever. I'm sure that it would be helpful to have a nepomuk development activity and a dbus configured activity and so on. He liked it, he idea got pitched, other developers liked it, and it became part of the New KDE. However, this is completely lost on 99% of end users. There are only so many ways you can rearrange your email and web browser into different activities before they all start looking the same... The hardship on the devs is the countless thousands of hours that have been sunk into something that will only be used by a tiny fraction of end users. That's one of KDE's biggest stumbling blocks. Priority focused on the normal end user... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 02/13/2010 05:08 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
You don't need to. I never have and don't see myself ever using virtual desktops and desktop activities. I'm sure for one developer those capabilities helped with development work by allowing setup and saving of different pre-configured desktops holding all apps and views relative to each project he was involved in. Maybe he does both nepomuk development, dbus and PolicyKit -- whatever. I'm sure that it would be helpful to have a nepomuk development activity and a dbus configured activity and so on. He liked it, he idea got pitched, other developers liked it, and it became part of the New KDE.
However, this is completely lost on 99% of end users. There are only so many ways you can rearrange your email and web browser into different activities before they all start looking the same... The hardship on the devs is the countless thousands of hours that have been sunk into something that will only be used by a tiny fraction of end users. That's one of KDE's biggest stumbling blocks. Priority focused on the normal end user...
I respectfully disagree, David. Multiple desktops are one of the key Linux differentiators from Windows and OS-X, and I would personally be sunk without them. But I'm not alone, I support a group of scientists and engineers who also make good use of multiple desktops. I can name one acoustic data analyst who uses twenty desktops at a time. She has various processing jobs going on all the desktops and dances around them all like a sugar-plum faerie! In case you're wondering, she's running the processes on a network of remote servers, so she's not slamming her desktop system. Once a serious scientific professional gets used to Linux and KDE, they're hooked and can never go back to Windows. BTW, I agree with Basil: KDE-4 is ready for use (mostly) and I like it! I had some problems with crashing (screen savers) and desktop wallpaper edges getting screwed up, but those problems seem to be gone now. Okular is great and now I don't need Acroread hanging around leaking its memory all over the place. One problem remains with npviewer, which is probably related to Flash. I had one problem two days ago that filled up my home disk with hundreds of gigs of errors in .xsession-errors. I think the root cause was npviewer again, but I'm not sure. I also figured out how to remap my caps-lock key to a second control key using a KDE GUI. Another one of my perversions: God intended the control key to be immediately to the left of the "A" key. Some IBM designer is probably roasting in hell by now for changing the IBM-PC's layout to something that "looked" better, but confounded technical touch typists. Regards, Lew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 13 February 2010 04:36:51 pm Lew Wolfgang wrote:
On 02/13/2010 05:08 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
You don't need to. I never have and don't see myself ever using virtual desktops and desktop activities. I'm sure for one developer those capabilities helped with development work by allowing setup and saving of different pre-configured desktops holding all apps and views relative to each project he was involved in. Maybe he does both nepomuk development, dbus and PolicyKit -- whatever. I'm sure that it would be helpful to have a nepomuk development activity and a dbus configured activity and so on. He liked it, he idea got pitched, other developers liked it, and it became part of the New KDE.
However, this is completely lost on 99% of end users. There are only so many ways you can rearrange your email and web browser into different activities before they all start looking the same... The hardship on the devs is the countless thousands of hours that have been sunk into something that will only be used by a tiny fraction of end users. That's one of KDE's biggest stumbling blocks. Priority focused on the normal end user...
I respectfully disagree, David. Multiple desktops are one of the key Linux differentiators from Windows and OS-X, and I would personally be sunk without them. But I'm not alone, I support a group of scientists and engineers who also make good use of multiple desktops. I can name one acoustic data analyst who uses twenty desktops at a time. She has various processing jobs going on all the desktops and dances around them all like a sugar-plum faerie! In case you're wondering, she's running the processes on a network of remote servers, so she's not slamming her desktop system. Once a serious scientific professional gets used to Linux and KDE, they're hooked and can never go back to Windows.
BTW, I agree with Basil: KDE-4 is ready for use (mostly) and I like it! I had some problems with crashing (screen savers) and desktop wallpaper edges getting screwed up, but those problems seem to be gone now. Okular is great and now I don't need Acroread hanging around leaking its memory all over the place. One problem remains with npviewer, which is probably related to Flash. I had one problem two days ago that filled up my home disk with hundreds of gigs of errors in .xsession-errors. I think the root cause was npviewer again, but I'm not sure.
I also figured out how to remap my caps-lock key to a second control key using a KDE GUI. Another one of my perversions: God intended the control key to be immediately to the left of the "A" key. Some IBM designer is probably roasting in hell by now for changing the IBM-PC's layout to something that "looked" better, but confounded technical touch typists.
Regards, Lew
The question was not about virtual desktops. The question was: Why does kde4 have BOTH "activities" and "virtual desktops" ? d. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
The question was not about virtual desktops. The question was:
Why does kde4 have BOTH "activities" and "virtual desktops" ?
Because both have their own advantages. However, the confusion created by having two competing systems was too great. Activities are going away in KDE 4.5 from what I understand. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il Please CC me if you want to be sure that I read your message. I do not read all list mail. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 14 February 2010 00:38, Vadym Krevs <vkrevs@serena.com> wrote:
Basil is right, this issue is ridiculous.
All versions of KDE 4.x until 4.3.5 on 2 of my desktops had no problems with separate wallpapers for each virtual desktop. KDE 4.3.5 broke this functionality (https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=224775). And now, as Basil had described in the previous post, KDE 4.4.0 offers an over-complicated solution involving different activities to a problem that should not have existed in the first place. Can someone explain why do we need both virtual desktops and activities?
We don't, and I believe that Activities are going away in KDE 4.5. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il Please CC me if you want to be sure that I read your message. I do not read all list mail. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 13 February 2010 09:37:30 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
On 14 February 2010 00:38, Vadym Krevs <vkrevs@serena.com> wrote:
Basil is right, this issue is ridiculous.
All versions of KDE 4.x until 4.3.5 on 2 of my desktops had no problems with separate wallpapers for each virtual desktop. KDE 4.3.5 broke this functionality (https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=224775). And now, as Basil had described in the previous post, KDE 4.4.0 offers an over-complicated solution involving different activities to a problem that should not have existed in the first place. Can someone explain why do we need both virtual desktops and activities?
We don't, and I believe that Activities are going away in KDE 4.5.
-- Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il
Please CC me if you want to be sure that I read your message. I do not read all list mail.
Dotan, give us abour 2-3 more major changes like that and I will start beta testing 4.5 as soon as the first alpha is out. it's not out, is it?:)) d. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
give us abour 2-3 more major changes like that and I will start beta testing 4.5 as soon as the first alpha is out. it's not out, is it?:))
It's not me giving you the changes, but I can help arrange them! By filing bugs and helping users communicate with the devs, all of us can help improve KDE. I take it upon myself to triage and file bugs on behalf of other users who don't know how or are too busy to do so. But I need your input. Tell me, which 2-3 other major changes would you like to see? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il Please CC me if you want to be sure that I read your message. I do not read all list mail. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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