Dear Steve: Time for Microsoft Linux?(OT)
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On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:50:06 -0400 "Fred A. Miller" <fmiller@lightlink.com> wrote:
http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/stories/story/0,10738,2913989,00.html
Yeah, if Microsoft was smart, they would start "MSLinux" and work on making all their apps compatible. Windows would just be a fancy window manager, which you pay extra for. That would make alot of people happy, and end all this squabbling. -- use Perl; #powerful programmable prestidigitation
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Alle 20:59, lunedì 9 giugno 2003, zentara ha scritto:
On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:50:06 -0400
"Fred A. Miller" <fmiller@lightlink.com> wrote:
http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/stories/story/0,10738,2913989,00.html
Yeah, if Microsoft was smart, they would start "MSLinux" and work on making all their apps compatible. Windows would just be a fancy window manager, which you pay extra for.
They will do that with *BSD and they will call it WindowsNG (Next Generation). Praise -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+535i6v3ZTabyE8kRAgymAJ4k7Jhlb+wr060FOsoqvJpokTRFAwCgzfnf +9PYXFg2UjE9lhqIVV2yLeE= =/HLy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
->> "Fred A. Miller" <fmiller@lightlink.com> wrote: ->> >http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/stories/story/0,10738,2913989,00.html ->> ->> Yeah, if Microsoft was smart, they would start "MSLinux" and work ->> on making all their apps compatible. Windows would just be a fancy ->> window manager, which you pay extra for. -> ->They will do that with *BSD and they will call it WindowsNG (Next Generation). -> ->Praise Heh... Can you say Mac OS X?
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 09 June 2003 12:50, Fred A. Miller wrote:
http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/stories/story/0,10738,2913989,00.html
First off...M$ *can't* make M$Linux, because then, we'd all be able to look at M$' code. M$ would rather implode and become a black hole, than let anyone other than their cubicle mushrooms (M$' programmers) know it or see it, and hell...I bet they watch those guys so close they have no lives. Next, if M$ even *tried* something like this, all the people around the world now who are the makers and shakers for all the apps and kernel of Linux, would stop contributing. Then M$ would be back in the same exact situation it's in now...making an OS that wouldn't work correctly if it was easier to reinstall the thing once a day. All the folks who wrote linux apps and worked on the kernel, would go underground and create something 'different' and it'd start all over again like Linux did. Also, once all the people who made the apps and kernel and stuff for linux 'stopped', it'd be more noticeable than when the 'slammer' worm hit...M$' Linux would come to a screeching halt, because M$' programmers who didn't have a clue before and still don't wouldn't be able to take up *any* of the slack, and the customers who didn't know any better that they didn't have to pay for such an OS because it's GPL'd but *did* pay, would actually finally start to grow brains and cods and get up off their lazy asses and kick the snot out of their shepherds Steve and Bill. Yeah, M$ would really try this, uh huh, right. What's kept them from doing it already? The fact that just what I say would happen is what keeps them from even contemplating it. Who the heck *is* that writer anyway? Is he an M$ paid flunky who's even farther behind on knowing when an April fools joke is supposed to happen than the guys at MSN UK? John - -- I needed fresh bugs for my SuSE gecko, and Linux penguin. So I went out and caught this huge ugly blue and red and green and yellow butterfly. They won't need fresh food for 3 months now. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+5R86H5oDXyLKXKQRAoFdAJ9CjLTJREW6LSwrNjhJggnygBf4ugCaAnzK iAPRDIXpHx7GdqgAV8e1bnA= =/CqS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Who the heck *is* that writer anyway? Is he an M$ paid flunky who's even farther behind on knowing when an April fools joke is supposed to happen than the guys at MSN UK?
Yes, David Coursey has no Di... Oh, wait. Yes, David Coursey is an M$ stooge. He replaced Jesse Berst right after M$ and ZD publishing partnered up. Some of the stuff that comes out of his mouth is the most ludicrious stuff you can imaging. And he's shamelessly an M$ plant trying to seem impartial - at which he does a terrible job and is very transparent. M$ couldn't do a version of Linux. For one they may not have to release the code for their in-house products, e.g. IE, Outluck, etc. but any changes they did to GPL code would have to be presented. And in making the GPL'ed code compat with M$ code (for again Outluck, etc) the OSS/GPL programmers would get incite into M$ codes and hooks. This is all the OSS guys need to make it possible for M$ programs to work in Linux and would essentially cut M$ out of the picture. Why, because the minute M$ products run on Non-M$ OS such as Linux then why would you need Windows. Can you Say IE 5.5/6.0 WMplayer that never die or become obsolete because M$ can't mandate upgrades to new versions with more features that are really M$ control codes and all the other programs such as PhotoShop, etc, etc, etc, in Linux. So, get a copy of IE, a GPL sourceforge program to install it, and load up. Let's see, M$Linux = $99.00 you probably get one cd and an EULA that conflicts grossly with the GPL. Or, you get SuSE with all the works, IE/Outluck with source forge installer at about $80 and copy it around every desktop you can get your hands on. Then M$ runs around trying to get the BSA to enforce EULA on IE/Outlook - wouldn't that be interesting. Cheers, Curtis.
On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:58:44 -0500 John <yonaton@tds.net> wrote:
On Monday 09 June 2003 12:50, Fred A. Miller wrote:
http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/stories/story/0,10738,2913989,00.html
First off...M$ *can't* make M$Linux, because then, we'd all be able to look at M$' code.
That's not true. There is no prohibition against a totally binary "desktop-window-manager-environment" They can ask that you pay for their apps too. It would be like an improved Lindows.
Next, if M$ even *tried* something like this, all the people around the world now who are the makers and shakers for all the apps and kernel of Linux, would stop contributing.
Why do you say that? Don't let your "hatred of Microsoft" interfere with rational thinking. The kernel developers would go on just as is, and so would all the other developers. If you didn't buy their distro, it wouldn't affect you.
Yeah, M$ would really try this, uh huh, right. What's kept them from doing it already? The fact that just what I say would happen is what keeps them from even contemplating it.
They may very well be contemplating it. If they keep losing market share to linux, they may have to do something. Lindows is doing it now, rather poorly. If MS bought Lindows, and used their inside knowledge of their apps to make it better, they would have a sellable product, and keep alot of people using MS apps. Of course you would pay to download their binaries, just like Lindows does it. Then they could advertise: "".....the security of linux with the familiarity of Windows", like "have your cake and eat it too". OR...."Virus-proof multi-user Windows". -- use Perl; #powerful programmable prestidigitation
Then they could advertise: "".....the security of linux with the familiarity of Windows", like "have your cake and eat it too". OR...."Virus-proof multi-user Windows".
True enough, but in 2 or 3 development cycles they'ld screw that up considering their cut and paste coding style. I could see M$ taking a real beating if this was to happen. I mean think about it. M$ jumps on the OSS bandwagon and attempts to dominate. Virus writers figure out how to get the virus to execute in IE or whatever. So, the OS remains stable (or somewhat so) and everything in userland that's M$ gets infected. Or even worse, you use something like WebMin in IE and IE gets a bug and then some creative chap gains access to your Webmin controls - but this only happens in M$Linux because their native programs are flawed and this is used to gain root access. Hmmmm! That would kinda prove how inherently flawed M$ is. I mean to have the first and only version of Linux that gets kludge by a VB.net virus. I'm wagering they know this and won't go to Linux becuase of this, but then again..... Cheers, Curtis.
That's not true. There is no prohibition against a totally binary "desktop-window-manager-environment" They can ask that you pay for their apps too. It would be like an improved Lindows. They can provide a binary version of Linux, but they must make the
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:03:09 -0400 zentara <zentara@zentara.net> wrote: sources available all the GPL'd code they supply, including the kernel. They could do a Mac OSX type thing, using a Linux kernel and command line utilities, but provide a proprietary desktop system. -- Jerry Feldman <gaf@blu.org> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9
On Monday 09 June 2003 07:58 pm, John wrote: [stuff cut]
M$ would rather implode and become a black hole, than let anyone other than their cubicle mushrooms (M$' programmers) know it or see it
That would be a *bad* thing ?
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Curtis Rey
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Fred A. Miller
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Herman L. Knief
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Jerry Feldman
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John
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mike
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