[opensuse] Amazon AMI: openSUSE x86_64
Hi Group, Some time over the next week, or longer, I hope to make an attempt at building an openSUSE 10.3 x86_64 Amazon Machine Image. Has anyone attempted this found: - There are some show stoppers? - There are dead ends to avoid? My goal initially is to get try and follow the Amazon howto, but there have been reports that things aren't straight forward. I'm not aware of any other howto's, if anyone else is I'd appreciate a heads-up. Just to frame expectations: 18 months ago I was an XP user (not admin), so don't expect a reference or optimal configuration :) Appreciate any thoughts Cheers Mark PS I had flagged this as a feature request on Novell's bugzilla. The last post indicated the Novell devs could not explore any AMI's because it involved paying.... not sure if anything has progressed from that state. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Mark V escribió:
PS I had flagged this as a feature request on Novell's bugzilla. The last post indicated the Novell devs could not explore any AMI's because it involved paying.... not sure if anything has progressed from that state.
If there is progress, you will see it in the buzgilla report, As I can see a clear business case on supporting the creation of amazon AMI images,you probably just have to wait a while till this feature is implemented in KIWI, keep in mind that developers have a lot of work to do, patience is a virtue. -- "Freedom of religion also means freedom **from** religion" - Anonymous Cristian Rodríguez R. Platform/OpenSUSE - Core Services SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Research & Development http://www.opensuse.org/
Hi Cristian
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 4:50 AM, Cristian Rodríguez
Mark V escribió:
PS I had flagged this as a feature request on Novell's bugzilla. The last post indicated the Novell devs could not explore any AMI's because it involved paying.... not sure if anything has progressed from that state.
If there is progress, you will see it in the buzgilla report, As I can see
In case anyone wants to follow the status: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=367138
a clear business case on supporting the creation of amazon AMI images,you
I thought so too, but it might not be the case that Novell has this as part of their strategy (for good reasons)..... - curently the enhancement request is still classified P5. I was hoping it might have got bumped up to reflect a higher priority. P5 seems as low as you can go without rejecting/closing the request? (I've struggled to find out exactly what P5 means to Novell/openSUSE) - It would be useful i anyone could indicate: - Working on it. - Thinking about working on it - Decided to leave to individual/community efforts. But perhaps P5 says it all and I've just got to track down exactly what P5 means: On Mozilla it apparently means "We basically never want this. If somebody implements it and asks for review, we might look at it." Which would be sad, but at least be good to know.
probably just have to wait a while till this feature is implemented in KIWI,
Honestly it is not yet clear that even that is intended or possible. I agree they have indicated KIWI is the place it would happen, if anything did. Maybe Mozilla's P5 description has me spooked.
keep in mind that developers have a lot of work to do, patience is a virtue.
I agree. Which means it would seem to make sense to launch/facilitate something like: http://code.google.com/p/ec2ubuntu/ (see also http://www.alestic.com/) or http://code.google.com/p/scalr/ I don't have a problem waiting. As long as I know I'm waiting for something happening behind closed doors. At the moment it appears someone could be waiting for nothing happening behind closed doors. As a general observation it does look like Novell missed this train, and it's not clear there is an effort to get on board at some point down the line. My reason for believing this is I don't see anything like Redhat's MRG effort, which fits quite naturally in the ec2/cloud-space. IMO MRG type technologies would be essential for certain, if not most, ec2/cloud activities. The main reason I'm concerned with this that I've been toying with upgrading to openSUSE 11, but if opensuse is going to be leaving cloud computing efforts to others then it is best I jump ship sooner and not later. I'd appreciate hearing anyone's insights. Cheers Mark
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On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 4:50 AM, Cristian Rodríguez
Mark V escribió:
PS I had flagged this as a feature request on Novell's bugzilla. The last post indicated the Novell devs could not explore any AMI's because it involved paying.... not sure if anything has progressed from that state.
If there is progress, you will see it in the buzgilla report, As I can see a clear business case on supporting the creation of amazon AMI images,you probably just have to wait a while till this feature is implemented in KIWI, keep in mind that developers have a lot of work to do, patience is a virtue.
An illustration of the 'externalities' such an AMI can generate for the wider openSUSE community.... In the thread pointed to below Eric Hammond shows how firing up a Ubuntu desktop AMI allowed him to set up a bittorrent feed for the Ubuntu 8.04 (Herron) download rush... '70 peers and averages 25Mbps outbound (60Mbps peak)"... "it costs $0.12 per complete Hardy desktop ISO downloaded" :)
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On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Mark V
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 4:50 AM, Cristian Rodríguez
wrote: Mark V escribió:
PS I had flagged this as a feature request on Novell's bugzilla. The last post indicated the Novell devs could not explore any AMI's because it involved paying.... not sure if anything has progressed from that state.
If there is progress, you will see it in the buzgilla report, As I can see a clear business case on supporting the creation of amazon AMI images,you probably just have to wait a while till this feature is implemented in KIWI, keep in mind that developers have a lot of work to do, patience is a virtue.
An illustration of the 'externalities' such an AMI can generate for the wider openSUSE community.... In the thread pointed to below Eric Hammond shows how firing up a Ubuntu desktop AMI allowed him to set up a bittorrent feed for the Ubuntu 8.04 (Herron) download rush... '70 peers and averages 25Mbps outbound (60Mbps peak)"... "it costs $0.12 per complete Hardy desktop ISO downloaded"
http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/thread.jspa?threadID=21345&tstart=0
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On Friday 25 April 2008 00:00, Mark V wrote:
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An illustration of the 'externalities' such an AMI can generate for the wider openSUSE community.... In the thread pointed to below Eric Hammond shows how firing up a Ubuntu desktop AMI allowed him to set up a bittorrent feed for the Ubuntu 8.04 (Herron) download rush... '70 peers and averages 25Mbps outbound (60Mbps peak)"... "it costs $0.12 per complete Hardy desktop ISO downloaded"
That may seem inexpensive, but one of the reasons I'm not rushing to switch my Web application deployment to EC2 is that is is not cheap. A minimal installation (which would be a little under-powered in the CPU department for my purposes) is $0.10 per unit-hour. That's $72 / month if run continuously. Realistically, I'd need the mid-range machine configuration, which costs twice as much! Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Randall R Schulz
On Friday 25 April 2008 00:00, Mark V wrote:
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An illustration of the 'externalities' such an AMI can generate for the wider openSUSE community.... In the thread pointed to below Eric Hammond shows how firing up a Ubuntu desktop AMI allowed him to set up a bittorrent feed for the Ubuntu 8.04 (Herron) download rush... '70 peers and averages 25Mbps outbound (60Mbps peak)"... "it costs $0.12 per complete Hardy desktop ISO downloaded"
That may seem inexpensive, but one of the reasons I'm not rushing to switch my Web application deployment to EC2 is that is is not cheap. A minimal installation (which would be a little under-powered in the CPU department for my purposes) is $0.10 per unit-hour. That's $72 / month if run continuously. Realistically, I'd need the mid-range machine configuration, which costs twice as much!
Yes, an AMI approach is not ideal for all applications. The example above is similar to my use case - 'lumpy' or periodic demand. In my scenario I need processing done in 2-3 hours, so I can fire up N (where N is some large number) of AMI's and run each one only for the time required. The total time billed may will be N*2 or N*3 hours, but I'm not paying for the remaining 22-21 hours every single day. As in the above scenario demand for releases is also lumpy. Overall we agree one size does not fit all. What is the break even point will likely vary by application. Cheers Mark
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On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Randall R Schulz
On Friday 25 April 2008 00:00, Mark V wrote:
That may seem inexpensive, but one of the reasons I'm not rushing to switch my Web application deployment to EC2 is that is is not cheap. A minimal installation (which would be a little under-powered in the CPU department for my purposes) is $0.10 per unit-hour. That's $72 / month if run continuously. Realistically, I'd need the mid-range machine configuration, which costs twice as much!
Yes for web applications, email, databases, etc it is not ideal at all since they need to run 24/7 and due to the disk and bandwidth charges. I made the same mistake and thought you were charged for actual CPU time used. Think of it like renting time on a mainframe as one once did. You can run your main servers still as you normally do in your datacenter but when you are running large batches you have an overflow you can use. Such as if you process documents for your clients but when you get a new client you need to process 1 million documents to get everything loaded into your systems and you don't want it to potentially disrupt or slow down anything. In these cases even if you have a large daily batch it would probably still be cheaper than buying a dedicated machine and paying for its power. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 19 April 2008 22:34, Mark V wrote:
Hi Group, Some time over the next week, or longer, I hope to make an attempt at building an openSUSE 10.3 x86_64 Amazon Machine Image. Has anyone attempted this found: - There are some show stoppers? - There are dead ends to avoid?
There are a few threads in the Amazon Developer Connection forums relating to creating an AMI for 10.x openSUSE. The latest is: http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/thread.jspa?messageID=67905 I'm interested in EC2 as a platform for deploying my Web application, but at the moment, I cannot spend much time on it. I'd be very interested in knowing how this goes for you, however, and if you do get something working, it would be nice if you could contribute it as one of the publically available AMIs that can be downloaded from the Amazon Developer Connection: http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/kbcategory.jspa?categoryID=10...
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Appreciate any thoughts Cheers Mark
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On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 2:19 AM, Randall R Schulz
On Saturday 19 April 2008 22:34, Mark V wrote:
Hi Group, Some time over the next week, or longer, I hope to make an attempt at building an openSUSE 10.3 x86_64 Amazon Machine Image. Has anyone attempted this found: - There are some show stoppers? - There are dead ends to avoid?
There are a few threads in the Amazon Developer Connection forums relating to creating an AMI for 10.x openSUSE. The latest is:
http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/thread.jspa?messageID=67905
I'm interested in EC2 as a platform for deploying my Web application, but at the moment, I cannot spend much time on it.
I'd be very interested in knowing how this goes for you, however, and if you do get something working, it would be nice if you could contribute
I've done some research and examined various scripts people have posted for other distributions and it seems to require a level of technical knowledge I don't have. I have used the RightScale Redhat script and ran into some 'trivial' headaches that took days to work out, so I can see starting from scratch on a different distrribution is not for the amateur. The good news is I posted a howto setup NX on the AWS dev connection and it seems to me that this should work for openSUSE - hopefully that will save time for someone later on :)
it as one of the publically available AMIs that can be downloaded from the Amazon Developer Connection:
http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/kbcategory.jspa?categoryID=10...
Thanks, I had seen that thread. I suppose I'm reluctant to move from openSUSE, but the reality seems it is not a priority for Novell (no equivalent to redhats MRG efforts). Examining the AWS developer connection, the AMI listings and openSUSE mail lists suggest this is not a common use case for the openSUSE user base. In both cases the risk is that lessons learned are largely wasted because they won't feedback to a vibrant community effort. Its unfortunate but that is the beauty of Linux - users with particular needs can freely coalesce and migrate as they wish :) Cheers Mark
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Appreciate any thoughts Cheers Mark
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