[opensuse] Thermal Shutdown question
"Its not the heat, its the humidity" Well actually it is the heat. When I start Firefox with a few widows and about 60 tabs my laptop overheats and does a thermal shutdown. Yes I have a cooling pad. Yes I've cleaned the cat hair out of the fans :-) The trip point is set at 81 degrees Normal cruising, t'bird, OOo editing, adobe, other graphics stuff including composing with XMIND and export as graphic and GIMP editing the temp sits at the low to mid 60s. This is a Compaq presario X6000 So: a) is 81 a realistic trip point? b) why is it only FIREfox that overheats its is the FIRE? c) how do I set the trip point? I'm still on openSuse 11.2 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:12 AM, Anton J Aylward
When I start Firefox with a few widows and about 60 tabs my laptop overheats and does a thermal shutdown.
a) is 81 a realistic trip point? b) why is it only FIREfox that overheats its is the FIRE? c) how do I set the trip point?
Don't know what could be causing the over heating but a wild guess - do you have flash content enabled? -- Arun Khan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 07/21/2010 01:42 PM, Anton J Aylward wrote:
"Its not the heat, its the humidity" Well actually it is the heat.
When I start Firefox with a few widows and about 60 tabs my laptop overheats and does a thermal shutdown.
Yes I have a cooling pad. Yes I've cleaned the cat hair out of the fans :-)
The trip point is set at 81 degrees Normal cruising, t'bird, OOo editing, adobe, other graphics stuff including composing with XMIND and export as graphic and GIMP editing the temp sits at the low to mid 60s.
This is a Compaq presario X6000
So:
a) is 81 a realistic trip point? b) why is it only FIREfox that overheats its is the FIRE? c) how do I set the trip point?
I'm still on openSuse 11.2
Well, You still have a few fuzz-bunnies in the intake/exhaust flow. When you clean the fuzz out -- you need a real vacuum -> 5 H.P.+ shop vac type. WARNING: Before you use a vacuum on your laptop, take paper-clips, un-bend them into roughly the shape of a square 'C' so that each of the ends can pass through the grate covering the fans and prevent the fans from spinning when you start sucking. Make sure the paper-clip completely stop the fan from spinning and make sure you can hold them so they DO NOT come out when you run the vacuum over the fan grate. When you do use the vacuum, I have found that the circular-brush (or just the end of the hose if no circle-brush attachment) works the best. The key here is that you need to be able to direct all the suck power over the grate at the same time so you don't end up with an air loop created at the uncovered part of the grate when you pass the vacuum over it. The brush attachment helps to create the seal when your fat fingers are there holding the paper-clip in place. Do ONE fan opening at a time (if you have multiple fans). Passing the vacuum over the grate in a sweeping motion side-to-side making sure you have complete coverage of the fan grate when you pass over the middle. Stop after a couple of passes over the first grate and pick the fuzz out of the grate. Either rub your fingers over the fuzzy grate to help roll and pull the fuzz to the outsize or take a stick pin and bend the end into the shape of a hook to help pull the fuzz out. Do the Fuzz removal on ONE grate BEFORE moving on to the other to prevent sucking the fuzz backwards though the system when you move to the next fan. (of course if you only have one fan, don't worry about it). Once you have the fan grates done, then move and suck from the exhaust opening in the laptop. MAKE SURE YOU STILL HAVE THE PAPER-CLIPS BLOCKING THE FAN. The best you can do here is to just use the end of the hose and use your hand to make the best seal between the hose and your laptop case. Do the same type of fuzz removal here after sucking -- being careful not to bend any of the fins on the exhaust heat exchanger. (Repeat Once more on each opening) Remove paper-clips and give it a go. On the temp issue -- that is processor dependent. 45 degrees can be hot on some while 110 degrees is OK on some P3/AMD XP class chips. All chip manufacturers have the allowable temps listed for their processors and many web sites have a summary of this info -- google is your friend. With a clean laptop and armed with the manufacturers allowable temp information -- you will then be in a position to answer your own question. Have fun :p -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
David C. Rankin said the following on 07/21/2010 03:29 PM:
On the temp issue -- that is processor dependent. 45 degrees can be hot on some while 110 degrees is OK on some P3/AMD XP class chips. All chip manufacturers have the allowable temps listed for their processors and many web sites have a summary of this info -- google is your friend.
With a clean laptop and armed with the manufacturers allowable temp information -- you will then be in a position to answer your own question.
Part of it yes but not the part about "how do I set the trip temp"? And I suspect that the max temp is not merely about the chip but about the motherboard. Sadly I don't seem to be able to determine the 'name/number' of the motherboard. Too many things it _might_ be. -- Faith is to believe what you do not yet see; the reward for this faith is to see what you believe. -- St. Augustine Quotes -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Anton Aylward wrote:
David C. Rankin said the following on 07/21/2010 03:29 PM:
On the temp issue -- that is processor dependent. 45 degrees can be hot on some while 110 degrees is OK on some P3/AMD XP class chips. All chip manufacturers have the allowable temps listed for their processors and many web sites have a summary of this info -- google is your friend.
With a clean laptop and armed with the manufacturers allowable temp information -- you will then be in a position to answer your own question.
Part of it yes but not the part about "how do I set the trip temp"?
Hmm, I once did that on my old laptop (Pentium-M 1.6GHz), following http://acpi.sourceforge.net/documentation/thermal.html. I could change them by writing something to /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/trip_points (default was 110⁰ for critical) With the new laptop the location has changed to /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/TZ0?/trip_points. I can still cat it to see the values (critical at 98⁰, though format has slightly changed), but cannot change them anymore :-( Pit -- Dr. Peter "Pit" Suetterlin http://www.astro.su.se/~pit Institute for Solar Physics Tel.: +34 922 405 590 (Spain) P.Suetterlin@royac.iac.es +46 8 5537 8507 (Sweden) Peter.Suetterlin@astro.su.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2010-07-21 20:42, Anton J Aylward wrote:
When I start Firefox with a few widows and about 60 tabs my laptop overheats and does a thermal shutdown.
Perhaps you can use a plugin to disable flash except when you click on one. And perhaps you can change the power profile of the kernel. In theory the kernel could/should slow down the cpu frequency when it starts to heat too much - if the bios cut-off doesn't trigger earlier. Aparently my system is using "OnDemand" governor mode. There is /etc/pm-profiler.conf and a "/etc/pm-profiler" configuration, which I think are used from the service "rcpm-profiler". I don't know how it can be used, though. In "/usr/lib/pm-profiler" there are two script,s one named "get-current-settings" which youcan use to read your current settings. maybe you can just change the governor? See some doc: http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/cpu-freq/governors.txt But I don't where one is supposed to change it. I vaguely remember an application to do this, but where...? - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkxHVTMACgkQU92UU+smfQXkzACeKCTlMImZRYF5wT+djnhrFXO4 zwwAnRqjH0CzuXtg4DKDjzFfHwGpQvcu =gI+i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 21.07.2010, Anton J Aylward wrote:
When I start Firefox with a few widows and about 60 tabs my laptop overheats and does a thermal shutdown. [....]
Just let it run again, open your 60 tabs and monitor your systems load with e.g. "top -d 1", and you'll quickly find out what runs ypur system into max heat. However, a stable machine should be assembled in such way that it can handle max load without getting overheated. It could also be both software problems (Firefox, high load) and hardware problems (Is the fan working? Has the cooling element gotten slightly dislocated over time?...) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Heinz Diehl said the following on 22/07/2010 8:16 AM:
On 21.07.2010, Anton J Aylward wrote:
When I start Firefox with a few widows and about 60 tabs my laptop overheats and does a thermal shutdown. [....]
Just let it run again, open your 60 tabs and monitor your systems load with e.g. "top -d 1", and you'll quickly find out what runs ypur system into max heat.
Not practical that way round as the shutdown happens before all the tabs open ... But BTDT having started 'top' beforehand, and having a temp monitor. That's how I determined it was FF.
However, a stable machine should be assembled in such way that it can handle max load without getting overheated. It could also be both software problems (Firefox, high load) and hardware problems (Is the fan working? Has the cooling element gotten slightly dislocated over time?...)
Indeed. The fact this happened to coincide with the recent heat wave is ... suspicious. The fans blow and the laptop sits on a 3-fan cooling pad. I wonder if 81 degrees is a bit low but I have no way of seeing how/where that was set. /a -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Anton Aylward
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Anton J Aylward
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Arun Khan
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Carlos E. R.
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David C. Rankin
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Heinz Diehl
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Peter Suetterlin