On 10/04/2017 04:42 AM, stakanov wrote:

Is it ECC? Or just DRAM? If you need one, I have a box here with RAM I do not use. About 30 different types, AFAIK all valuable and "free as free beer"

Per, stakanov, Thank you both. It's just plain old non-ECC DRAM. I know I have plenty of 256M spares around, but I think those were my only 512M chips. I'll let you know if I can't find something on e-bay. Last time I bought RAM on e-bay, I bought 40G (20 2G ecc server ram) for about $1 per Gig. Hopefully, I can find a pair, if not, I'll take you up on a valuable free as free beer chip :) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

David C. Rankin composed on 2017-10-21 10:10 (UTC-0500):

A moment of Silence please....

After dutifully replacing the 1G of DRAM, closer examination disclosed a puffy beer-can capacitor problem. The diagnosis was terminal. (aside from mailing the board to badcaps.net and dropping $70 on install of a new set of caps)

One of my more enjoyable methods of using time inefficiently is DIY replacement when this happens. With Socket A boards I've been successful about 3/4 of the time. Such time has been better spent when it happens on less fungible types of electronics. Which manufacturer made yours? What brand is the bad cap? How many of that type are on the board? If only one or a few alike and your eyes are still good, it might be fun to try DIY, something different anyway. -- "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

David C. Rankin composed on 2017-10-23 16:51 (UTC-0500):

On 10/21/2017 11:09 AM, Felix Miata wrote:

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Which manufacturer made yours? What brand is the bad cap? How many of that type are on the board? If only one or a few alike and your eyes are still good, it might be fun to try DIY, something different anyway.

This is an Abit-KT7 board. Probably one of my longest running board ever.

The bad cap plague is the primary reason why Abit no longer exists. :-(

(although I have tried to boot the old 386/33 in a while). I've been tempted to try the cap replacement my self, but I have never experimented with a "solder sucker" and while I am handy with a soldering iron at the "wire level" (and I have fixed an few power-connector problem on Nvidia cards), I haven't dropped to the mirco-level of capacitors.

Any suggestions on a solder sucker? I always envisioned something like a baby-nostril sucker that has a heat-resistent tip where you melt the solder as best you can and suck the melted solder out of each prong solder hole and then solder a new cap in.

I guess with this old board -- "I got nothin to lose..."

Let me know if you have an suggestions in the sucker tool department.

I always replace all of same type, as suggested on badcaps.net, best place I know to look for help with such things. Typically motherboards have one or two bunches of 3-8 identicals near the CPU socket. If that's where your bad one is, do all of that type, and if there is a second bunch of identicals near the socket, and if the board is really worth reviving in the first place, consider doing those as well, especially if the same brand as the bad one. Vacuum-type desoldering tools for me are unusable. I always use wire wick desoldering braid, usually .075" wide, usually along with flux paste, both readily available from the suppliers of quality cap replacements mouser.com and digi-key.com where I get all mine. Adding solder before trying to remove any is often the only way to wick up enough from the tiny motherboard holes to gain release on both legs. RoHS-compliant lead-free OEM solder can be a big pain. Before you try, you might want to peruse the badcaps.net FAQ on the subject. Good luck! -- "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Le 24/10/2017 à 09:42, Dave Plater a écrit :

hitched up to a vacuum cleaner. Caps have two legs and multilayer boards are difficult to desolder.

may be better do not desolder but cut the thread under the capacitor and solder on the remaining parts jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 24/10/2017 10:40, Bruce Griffiths wrote:

Another method is to use a special low melting point solder like Chipquik and melt/alloy it with the existing solder lowering the melting point drastically allowing the solder joints to remain molten long enough to easily remove the through hole component. Use a solder sucker to clean up the plated through hole and pad after. Its important to remove the low melting point alloy before soldering in the replacement part. This usually works well with low probability of damaging pads, tracks and plated through holes. When thermal relief pads aren't used it can be useful to preheat the board to 100C or so. The chipquik alloy is relatively expensive but not much is required to facilitate desoldering each joint.

Bruce That sounds usefull, I must see if I can get some. Thanks Dave P

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On 10/24/2017 03:18 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

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Any suggestions on a solder sucker? I always envisioned something like a baby-nostril sucker that has a heat-resistent tip where you melt the solder as best you can and suck the melted solder out of each prong solder hole and then solder a new cap in.

Braided copper works quite well, it's all I've ever used.

I've used both the braid intended for the purpose and also the sucker type. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 10/24/2017 01:07 PM, Lew Wolfgang wrote:

On 10/24/2017 12:18 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

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Any suggestions on a solder sucker? I always envisioned something like a baby-nostril sucker that has a heat-resistent tip where you melt the solder as best you can and suck the melted solder out of each prong solder hole and then solder a new cap in.

Braided copper works quite well, it's all I've ever used.

I've used both sucker and wick, but in general I think the wick method is more reliable.  The last time I used a sucker was to "suck" fleas off our Chihuahua, and even that didn't work very well.  It was fun though. The dog liked it too.

BTW, this is the one I've been using for decades: Edsyn Deluxe Soldapullt, Heavy Duty, High Vacuum, ESD It's "improved" from the original version in that the plunger is contained. With the old model (which I actually preferred) you could smack yourself in the eyeball if you weren't careful.  I'd guess that some lawyers became very rich before Edsyn changed the design.  I think the old one "sucked" a little bit more vigorously. Regards, Lew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 21/10/17 16:10, David C. Rankin wrote:

A moment of Silence please....

After dutifully replacing the 1G of DRAM, closer examination disclosed a puffy beer-can capacitor problem. The diagnosis was terminal. (aside from mailing the board to badcaps.net and dropping $70 on install of a new set of caps)

After being placed in service in early 2002. I'm unsure which SuSE version was first installed, but it would have been in the 7.0(Air) - 8.2 timeframe. It was one of my first fully-integrated office servers providing DNS, DHCP with dyn DNS updates, Postix, Dovecot, Procmail, Spamassissin, Apache with mod_ssl, eGroupWare, Samba (1.8x days -- yes Win95 clients), with a shiny Sportster and Hylafax (and its web front-end Avantfax) it handled on average 3 - 5, 10 page faxes per-day for 15 years without a complaint. Squirrelmail, vsftp for intra-office scan-to-pdf from the Sharp copier, it dutifully toiled along. From initial telephone/fax modem technology at the beginning, to seamlessly handling iPhone calendaring, contacts, etc. in the end.

The box entered semi-retirement a decade or so ago, retaining all its use, but in a backup capacity for all but its fax-server roll. It passed through the Silicon Gates still running 11.0 (manually patched and updated for critical ssl, bash, etc.. problems).

It had a good life, but will now be laid to rest as in that ever growing tower of cases squirreled away in the bone-pile.

RIP :p

-- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.

I have just this afternoon retrieved a case from my equivalent (very small) tower. Kept for this very eventuality, it will have its innards removed and be reborn as a modern Ryzen system - 3.5GHz Ryzen 3, 16GB Ram, 2x4TB raid hard drives. A far cry from the motherboard currently in the case, just a tad newer than yours, a 1400 Athlon down-clocked to 1050 because the mobo FSB was only 100MHz, not 133. Maxed out at 756MB of Ram, I haven't a clue what the disk capacity was, but I suspect it was in my Bigfoot era - with drives of about 20-50GB. Cheers, Wol -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2017-10-21 17:10, David C. Rankin wrote:

On 10/03/2017 04:31 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:

A moment of Silence please....

After dutifully replacing the 1G of DRAM, closer examination disclosed a puffy beer-can capacitor problem. The diagnosis was terminal. (aside from mailing the board to badcaps.net and dropping $70 on install of a new set of caps)

After being placed in service in early 2002. I'm unsure which SuSE version was first installed, but it would have been in the 7.0(Air) - 8.2 timeframe. It was one of my first fully-integrated office servers providing DNS, DHCP with dyn DNS updates, Postix, Dovecot, Procmail, Spamassissin, Apache with mod_ssl, eGroupWare, Samba (1.8x days -- yes Win95 clients), with a shiny Sportster and Hylafax (and its web front-end Avantfax) it handled on average 3 - 5, 10 page faxes per-day for 15 years without a complaint. Squirrelmail, vsftp for intra-office scan-to-pdf from the Sharp copier, it dutifully toiled along. From initial telephone/fax modem technology at the beginning, to seamlessly handling iPhone calendaring, contacts, etc. in the end.

The box entered semi-retirement a decade or so ago, retaining all its use, but in a backup capacity for all but its fax-server roll. It passed through the Silicon Gates still running 11.0 (manually patched and updated for critical ssl, bash, etc.. problems).

It had a good life, but will now be laid to rest as in that ever growing tower of cases squirreled away in the bone-pile.

RIP :p

I'm a bit lost. You did send the board to have the capacitors replaced to badcaps.net, or didn't you? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

On 2017-10-24 00:02, David C. Rankin wrote:

On 10/21/2017 04:21 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

<quote> I'm a bit lost. You did send the board to have the capacitors replaced to badcaps.net, or didn't you? </quotes>

No, no... that was just listed as one of the options. It's tempting to do, and it may be the way to go, but it certainly throwing good money away on very old tech. It's tempting from the nostalgia standpoint :)

I see. :-)

Any Idea why I can't ready your messages in Tbird? Did you change certificates? I've never seen this before. I can read everyone else's list e-mail, but yours are total blank? I have to "view source" (ctrl+u) to see the text of your messages -- strange.

I replied with two emails, from two different accounts, today (did not see it earlier). Didn't you get them? No, no idea at all. You will have to try reading them with another client. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

On 2017-10-24 18:35, Anthony Youngman wrote:

On 24/10/17 01:09, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Any Idea why I can't ready your messages in Tbird? Did you change certificates? I've never seen this before. I can read everyone else's list e-mail, but yours are total blank? I have to "view source" (ctrl+u) to see the text of your messages -- strange.

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I replied with two emails, from two different accounts, today (did not see it earlier). Didn't you get them?

This could be a configuration cock-up. There are at least two "mulitpart" settings, one of which says all the parts are equivalent so display any of them, one of which says all the parts are different so display all of them.

It certainly used to be common that a mailer would send an html part, and a BLANK text part, but say that they were equivalent. So a recipient who's client was configured to prefer plain text would get a blank message.

That's an obvious explanation - whether it's the correct one, I don't know ... :-)

No, I only post plain text with this account. Another possibility is encrypted email (it initially displays blank), but as soon as I click on it I get prompted for the password. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)