[opensuse] Panel color
When I installed v11.4/KDE on this system some weeks ago, its background was a tannish grey with a kind of grey horizontal barberpole effect, as I remember, with black lettering. I do not remember setting a specific color, and I am unable to find a setting in Configure Desktop/Personal Settings (formerly System Settings). Some days afterward, I noticed that the background has become a dark grey (still with black characters), so that reading te lettering was very difficult or impossible; only the presence of icons makes this panel useful. I have no idea what caused the change. Nothing else on the desktop has a black background. A few days later, the colors returned to their original state, but another few days later became black again. You can see what this looks like at <ftp.hashkedim.com/pub/panel1.png>. I have a second panel at the top of the screen which is, if anything, in worse condition: most of the vertical height of the "barbarpole is overlaid with a black strip, so that panel has become totally useless. What is doing this? -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 08/06/2011 06:09 PM, Stan Goodman wrote:
When I installed v11.4/KDE on this system some weeks ago, its background was a tannish grey with a kind of grey horizontal barberpole effect, as I remember, with black lettering. I do not remember setting a specific color, and I am unable to find a setting in Configure Desktop/Personal Settings (formerly System Settings). Some days afterward, I noticed that the background has become a dark grey (still with black characters), so that reading te lettering was very difficult or impossible; only the presence of icons makes this panel useful. I have no idea what caused the change. Nothing else on the desktop has a black background.
A few days later, the colors returned to their original state, but another few days later became black again. You can see what this looks like at <ftp.hashkedim.com/pub/panel1.png>.
I have a second panel at the top of the screen which is, if anything, in worse condition: most of the vertical height of the "barberpole is overlaid with a black strip, so that panel has become totally useless.
What is doing this?
In my efforts to understand more about the Panel and how it works, I seem to have introduced a further complication. The order of the contents had become changed, with the Digital Clock, the additional Calendar, and the System Tray to the left, and the Task Manager at the extreme right. With some difficulty (because "moved" elements kept popping back to where they were) I succeeded in correcting most of the disorder. But when the smoke cleared away, the System Tray had left the Panel and was residing in solitary splendor on the Desktop (NOT in the "Desktop Folder", but in the apparently nameless expanse of the screen, what used to be called the Desktop), It has so far resisted attempts to shove it back to the Panel. Please, how can I restore it to the Panel? If and when that is accomplished, I am reasonably sure it will be at the extreme right, and I look forward to another battle of wits to move it to its normal position. Does anyone know where the background color of the Panel can be configured? And where the configuration of the Panel (specifically the colors) are stored? I have not been able to find either of these details, in either a search of Personal Settings or a Google search. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag, 7. August 2011, 14:04:18 schrieb Stan Goodman:
disorder. But when the smoke cleared away, the System Tray had left the Panel and was residing in solitary splendor on the Desktop (NOT in the "Desktop Folder", but in the apparently nameless expanse of the screen, what used to be called the Desktop), It has so far resisted attempts to shove it back to the Panel. Please, how can I restore it to the Panel?
You can unlock the desktop and the click on the cashew on the panel's right.
From there you can add a systray widget to the panel as you can do with any other widget. Or you hover the systray widget on the desktop which will show a handle if the desktop is unlocked and you can drag it to the panel. If you finished that make sure to lock the desktop again to prevent accidental re- arrangements.
If and when that is accomplished, I am reasonably sure it will be at the extreme right, and I look forward to another battle of wits to move it to its normal position.
Click on the panel's cashew and hover the item you want to move, the cursor will change to some icon with four arrows. Click with the left mouse button and drag the item to the new position. If you move it to a spot where it can be placed a grey rectangle will appear to simulate the placement. Click again the left mouse button to drop the item where the grey rectangle is shown.
Does anyone know where the background color of the Panel can be configured? And where the configuration of the Panel (specifically the colors) are stored? I have not been able to find either of these details, in either a search of Personal Settings or a Google search.
Systemsettings > Appearance > Desktop Design/theme. You can pick another one and change back to Air to get the default appearance. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 08/07/2011 03:04 PM, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Sonntag, 7. August 2011, 14:04:18 schrieb Stan Goodman:
disorder. But when the smoke cleared away, the System Tray had left the Panel and was residing in solitary splendor on the Desktop (NOT in the "Desktop Folder", but in the apparently nameless expanse of the screen, what used to be called the Desktop), It has so far resisted attempts to shove it back to the Panel. Please, how can I restore it to the Panel?
You can unlock the desktop and the click on the cashew on the panel's right. From there you can add a systray widget to the panel as you can do with any other widget.
Adding a new systray is the obvious way to go, seeing that, on the evidence, nobody really understands why the systray is where it is or how to get it back. I never keep widgets unlocked unless I mean to change something about them.
Or you hover the systray widget on the desktop which will show a handle if the desktop is unlocked and you can drag it to the panel. If you finished that make sure to lock the desktop again to prevent accidental rearrangements.
I don't know about locking/unlocking the Desktop. Do you mean widgets? Any attempt to drag the Systray to the Panel (which is what I have been trying for days to do) ends in frustration, because it just slips behind the Panel, and cannot be dropped on it.
If and when that is accomplished, I am reasonably sure it will be at the extreme right, and I look forward to another battle of wits to move it to its normal position.
Click on the panel's cashew and hover the item you want to move, the cursor will change to some icon with four arrows. Click with the left mouse button and drag the item to the new position. If you move it to a spot where it can be placed a grey rectangle will appear to simulate the placement. Click again the left mouse button to drop the item where the grey rectangle is shown.
Does anyone know where the background color of the Panel can be configured? And where the configuration of the Panel (specifically the colors) are stored? I have not been able to find either of these details, in either a search of Personal Settings or a Google search.
Systemsettings> Appearance> Desktop Design/theme. You can pick another one and change back to Air to get the default appearance.
Sven
Do you mean Configure Desktop/Personal Settings? There is no "System Settings" here. Withing that are: Account Details, Application Appearance, Application and System Notifications, File Associations, Locale, Personal Information, and Shortcuts and Gestures. Ah, I think I found it in Workplace Appearance and Behavior, in Window Decorations, where I have visited many times lately, and have always found that everything seemed to be in order. Do you see the difficulty when terminology is unstable and also non-intuitive, and when authoritative people use different versions? I have forsaken "Air" (which seems to be polluted), and chosen Laptop. That did fix the default Panel, but it has left the second Panel BLACK and useless. Probably the workaround would be to abandon it. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag, 7. August 2011, 17:22:47 schrieb Stan Goodman:
Do you mean Configure Desktop/Personal Settings? There is no "System Settings" here. Withing that are: Account Details, Application Appearance, Application and System Notifications, File Associations, Locale, Personal Information, and Shortcuts and Gestures.
The app is still called systemsettings but those might be the labels in the menu you listed.
Ah, I think I found it in Workplace Appearance and Behavior, in Window Decorations, where I have visited many times lately, and have always found that everything seemed to be in order. Do you see the difficulty when terminology is unstable and also non-intuitive, and when authoritative people use different versions?
It's due to translation, I do not use an English desktop. :)
I have forsaken "Air" (which seems to be polluted), and chosen Laptop. That did fix the default Panel, but it has left the second Panel BLACK and useless. Probably the workaround would be to abandon it.
Changing the windeco will not help. You have to change the plasma theme. Go to where you changed the windeco to "Laptop" and look on the left for other modules. In one of them you will find the plasma themes. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 08/07/2011 05:39 PM, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Sonntag, 7. August 2011, 17:22:47 schrieb Stan Goodman:
Do you mean Configure Desktop/Personal Settings? There is no "System Settings" here. Withing that are: Account Details, Application Appearance, Application and System Notifications, File Associations, Locale, Personal Information, and Shortcuts and Gestures.
The app is still called systemsettings but those might be the labels in the menu you listed.
The alternate names given in the launcher are 1) Configure Desktop and 2) Personal Settings. System Settings seems to be yet a third name. The whole reason for giving entities names is to enable identification -- a point which seems to be ill understood at KDE. There is no possible justification for anything to have three names. For that matter, there isn't any point to giving meaningless names to entities, but that is another subject that has gone over the collective head of KDE.
Ah, I think I found it in Workplace Appearance and Behavior, in Window Decorations, where I have visited many times lately, and have always found that everything seemed to be in order. Do you see the difficulty when terminology is unstable and also non-intuitive, and when authoritative people use different versions?
It's due to translation, I do not use an English desktop. :)
It would be impossible to expect anyone to remember names of anything in all possible languages (even if there were only one name per entity per language). But if one is writing in a language not his own, it might be well to remark the fact, rather than throwing the translation task onto the reader. I, for example, don't get psychic messages about what the nomenclature is in German or Swedish (sorry, I have no idea where you live).
I have forsaken "Air" (which seems to be polluted), and chosen Laptop. That did fix the default Panel, but it has left the second Panel BLACK and useless. Probably the workaround would be to abandon it.
Changing the windeco will not help. You have to change the plasma theme. Go to where you changed the windeco to "Laptop" and look on the left for other modules. In one of them you will find the plasma themes.
-- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag, 7. August 2011, 19:48:04 schrieb Stan Goodman:
The alternate names given in the launcher are 1) Configure Desktop and 2) Personal Settings. System Settings seems to be yet a third name. The whole reason for giving entities names is to enable identification -- a point which seems to be ill understood at KDE. There is no possible justification for anything to have three names. For that matter, there isn't any point to giving meaningless names to entities, but that is another subject that has gone over the collective head of KDE.
Before blaming anyone you should make sure you point at the right one. First there is the app and the app is systemsettings, one word. Type it into some konsole and you will see that it starts the app. For KDE apps there is the official KDE naming and translation and then there is the openSUSE naming and translation which changes that official naming/translation at some points, systemsetting's description and naming being one of them. So before blaming openSUSE you have to make sure they did not change it and before blaming KDE you have to make sure openSUSE did not change it. :) Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 08/07/2011 08:43 PM, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Sonntag, 7. August 2011, 19:48:04 schrieb Stan Goodman:
The alternate names given in the launcher are 1) Configure Desktop and 2) Personal Settings. System Settings seems to be yet a third name. The whole reason for giving entities names is to enable identification -- a point which seems to be ill understood at KDE. There is no possible justification for anything to have three names. For that matter, there isn't any point to giving meaningless names to entities, but that is another subject that has gone over the collective head of KDE.
Before blaming anyone you should make sure you point at the right one. First there is the app and the app is systemsettings, one word. Type it into some konsole and you will see that it starts the app.
For KDE apps there is the official KDE naming and translation and then there is the openSUSE naming and translation which changes that official naming/translation at some points, systemsetting's description and naming being one of them.
So before blaming openSUSE you have to make sure they did not change it and before blaming KDE you have to make sure openSUSE did not change it. :)
Sven
You are right. There is more than enough blame to go around. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2011-08-07 at 14:04 +0300, Stan Goodman wrote:
On 08/06/2011 06:09 PM, Stan Goodman wrote:
When I installed v11.4/KDE on this system some weeks ago, its background was a tannish grey with a kind of grey horizontal barberpole effect, as I remember, with black lettering. I do not remember setting a specific color, and I am unable to find a setting in Configure Desktop/Personal Settings (formerly System Settings). Some days afterward, I noticed that the background has become a dark grey (still with black characters), so that reading te lettering was very difficult or impossible; only the presence of icons makes this panel useful. I have no idea what caused the change. Nothing else on the desktop has a black background.
A few days later, the colors returned to their original state, but another few days later became black again. You can see what this looks like at <ftp.hashkedim.com/pub/panel1.png>.
I have a second panel at the top of the screen which is, if anything, in worse condition: most of the vertical height of the "barberpole is overlaid with a black strip, so that panel has become totally useless.
What is doing this?
In my efforts to understand more about the Panel and how it works, I seem to have introduced a further complication. The order of the contents had become changed, with the Digital Clock, the additional Calendar, and the System Tray to the left, and the Task Manager at the extreme right. With some difficulty (because "moved" elements kept popping back to where they were) I succeeded in correcting most of the disorder. But when the smoke cleared away, the System Tray had left the Panel and was residing in solitary splendor on the Desktop (NOT in the "Desktop Folder", but in the apparently nameless expanse of the screen, what used to be called the Desktop), It has so far resisted attempts to shove it back to the Panel. Please, how can I restore it to the Panel?
Hi Stan, I did this same thing with the task manager panel (kicker) once. I never could figure out how to get it back to standard, so I created a whole new taskmanager (kicker) panel at the top of the desktop. Then, I deleted all of the remaining bits of the old taskmanager panel. Finally, I moved my new taskmanager panel to the bottom of the desktop.
If and when that is accomplished, I am reasonably sure it will be at the extreme right, and I look forward to another battle of wits to move it to its normal position.
Does anyone know where the background color of the Panel can be configured? And where the configuration of the Panel (specifically the colors) are stored? I have not been able to find either of these details, in either a search of Personal Settings or a Google search.
-- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel
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