[opensuse] Google body browser
Anyone able to use this site on openSUSE 11.4 with firefox 4.0 (from OBS)? http://bodybrowser.googlelabs.com/ I tried the suggestion about nvidia drivers (MOZ_GLX_IGNORE_BLACKLIST=1 firefox), but it made no difference. The site tells me: "Google Body uses WebGL, a new standard for 3D on the Web. Your browser supports WebGL, but WebGL is not initializing properly." -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 SHAW'S PRINCIPAL Build a system that even a fool can use, and only a fool will want to use it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am 12.04.2011 23:07, schrieb Roger Oberholtzer:
Anyone able to use this site on openSUSE 11.4 with firefox 4.0 (from OBS)?
Yes.
I tried the suggestion about nvidia drivers (MOZ_GLX_IGNORE_BLACKLIST=1 firefox), but it made no difference. The site tells me:
Which gfx driver do you use exactly and does about:support tell you anything related? Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 23:24 +0200, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Am 12.04.2011 23:07, schrieb Roger Oberholtzer:
Anyone able to use this site on openSUSE 11.4 with firefox 4.0 (from OBS)?
Yes.
I tried the suggestion about nvidia drivers (MOZ_GLX_IGNORE_BLACKLIST=1 firefox), but it made no difference. The site tells me:
Which gfx driver do you use exactly and does about:support tell you anything related?
It does not say too much. Mainly it lists extensions and a zillion printer settings. Under 'Graphics' it only says: GPU Accelerated Windows0/1 Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:07:14 +0200 Roger Oberholtzer <roger@opq.se> wrote:
Anyone able to use this site on openSUSE 11.4 with firefox 4.0 (from OBS)?
Yes, no problems. hth Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Roger Oberholtzer <roger@opq.se> [04-12-11 17:09]:
Anyone able to use this site on openSUSE 11.4 with firefox 4.0 (from OBS)?
http://bodybrowser.googlelabs.com/
I tried the suggestion about nvidia drivers (MOZ_GLX_IGNORE_BLACKLIST=1 firefox), but it made no difference. The site tells me:
"Google Body uses WebGL, a new standard for 3D on the Web. Your browser supports WebGL, but WebGL is not initializing properly."
Works fine for me intel i7 12gb openSUSE 11.4 x86_64 MozillaFirefox-4.0.0-0.3.1.x86_64 NVidia GeForce GTS 450 1gb NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-270.30.run Welcome to Google Body. For news and updates, follow @GoogleBody on Twitter. Google Body uses WebGL, a new standard for 3D on the Web. Your browser and computer should work fine with WebGL. If you run into any issues, click here to troubleshoot. As I said: works for me :^) -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 17:51 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
Works fine for me
intel i7 12gb openSUSE 11.4 x86_64 MozillaFirefox-4.0.0-0.3.1.x86_64 NVidia GeForce GTS 450 1gb NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-270.30.run
I am running a 32-bit install, with a GeForce GT 425M (GF108) chipset. I am running the nvidia driver installed 'the easy way', which is slightly older than the one you are using. Perhaps I should try the newer one. Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2011-04-13 at 09:03 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: Related interesting reading: http://blog.mozilla.com/bjacob/2011/03/28/do-users-actually-get-hardware-acc... Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am 13.04.2011 09:03, schrieb Roger Oberholtzer:
On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 17:51 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
Works fine for me
intel i7 12gb openSUSE 11.4 x86_64 MozillaFirefox-4.0.0-0.3.1.x86_64 NVidia GeForce GTS 450 1gb NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-270.30.run
I am running a 32-bit install, with a GeForce GT 425M (GF108) chipset. I am running the nvidia driver installed 'the easy way', which is slightly older than the one you are using. Perhaps I should try the newer one.
What is your exact nvidia driver? On one of my machines I'm running 11.3/Firefox4 with 260.19.44 which works out of the box. Apart from that something in FF webgl/opengl fails to work with your driver apparently even when it's not blacklisted. I'm wondering though if you need to use the blacklist disabling at all. AFAIK all versions of nvidia are whitelisted as according to the code and comments in FF4 it's not possible to decide which version is active on Linux. So all vendors "nvidia corporation" seem to be whitelisted. Do you get any console output about gfx if you _do not_ use the blacklist workaround? Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2011-04-13 at 09:32 +0200, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Am 13.04.2011 09:03, schrieb Roger Oberholtzer:
On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 17:51 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
Works fine for me
intel i7 12gb openSUSE 11.4 x86_64 MozillaFirefox-4.0.0-0.3.1.x86_64 NVidia GeForce GTS 450 1gb NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-270.30.run
I am running a 32-bit install, with a GeForce GT 425M (GF108) chipset. I am running the nvidia driver installed 'the easy way', which is slightly older than the one you are using. Perhaps I should try the newer one.
What is your exact nvidia driver?
intel i5 quad core 4gb openSUSE 11.4 MozillaFirefox-4.0.0-3.1.i586 nvidia GeForce GT 425M (GF108) x11-video-nvidiaG02-260.19.44-24.1.i586 nvidia-gfxG02-kmp-desktop-260.19.44_k2.6.37.1_1.2-23.1.i586 kernel-desktop-2.6.37.1-1.2.2.i586
On one of my machines I'm running 11.3/Firefox4 with 260.19.44 which works out of the box.
Apart from that something in FF webgl/opengl fails to work with your driver apparently even when it's not blacklisted. I'm wondering though if you need to use the blacklist disabling at all. AFAIK all versions of nvidia are whitelisted as according to the code and comments in FF4 it's not possible to decide which version is active on Linux. So all vendors "nvidia corporation" seem to be whitelisted.
Do you get any console output about gfx if you _do not_ use the blacklist workaround?
Nope. The only thing it prints is: *** nss-shared-helper: Shared database disabled (set NSS_USE_SHARED_DB to enable). -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 SHAW'S PRINCIPAL Build a system that even a fool can use, and only a fool will want to use it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am 14.04.2011 22:56, schrieb Roger Oberholtzer:
On Wed, 2011-04-13 at 09:32 +0200, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
What is your exact nvidia driver?
intel i5 quad core 4gb openSUSE 11.4 MozillaFirefox-4.0.0-3.1.i586 nvidia GeForce GT 425M (GF108) x11-video-nvidiaG02-260.19.44-24.1.i586 nvidia-gfxG02-kmp-desktop-260.19.44_k2.6.37.1_1.2-23.1.i586 kernel-desktop-2.6.37.1-1.2.2.i586
On one of my machines I'm running 11.3/Firefox4 with 260.19.44 which works out of the box.
Apart from that something in FF webgl/opengl fails to work with your driver apparently even when it's not blacklisted. I'm wondering though if you need to use the blacklist disabling at all. AFAIK all versions of nvidia are whitelisted as according to the code and comments in FF4 it's not possible to decide which version is active on Linux. So all vendors "nvidia corporation" seem to be whitelisted.
Do you get any console output about gfx if you _do not_ use the blacklist workaround?
Nope. The only thing it prints is:
*** nss-shared-helper: Shared database disabled (set NSS_USE_SHARED_DB to enable).
Ok, so basically it seems your gfx driver is recognized and supposed to be supported. What exactly fails on your system to initialize is not clear to me. Sorry. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 09:11 +0200, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Ok, so basically it seems your gfx driver is recognized and supposed to be supported. What exactly fails on your system to initialize is not clear to me. Sorry.
It is not clear to me either. Except that desktop effects (in KDE) also need to be disabled. I suspect that the nvidia driver only supports my chipset at some simple level. But I do not see that written anywhere. It just seems to act like that. Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 12 April 2011 22:07:14 Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
Anyone able to use this site on openSUSE 11.4 with firefox 4.0 (from OBS)?
http://bodybrowser.googlelabs.com/
I tried the suggestion about nvidia drivers (MOZ_GLX_IGNORE_BLACKLIST=1 firefox), but it made no difference. The site tells me:
"Google Body uses WebGL, a new standard for 3D on the Web. Your browser supports WebGL, but WebGL is not initializing properly."
Works fine here Firefox4 Nvidia GT220 1Gb Nvidia driver rest as sig below -- Powered by openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) Kernel: 2.6.34.7-0.7-desktop KDE Development Platform: 4.5.5 (KDE 4.5.5) "release 1" 00:32 up 5:28, 4 users, load average: 0.32, 0.33, 0.21 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Roger Oberholtzer <roger@opq.se> wrote:
Anyone able to use this site on openSUSE 11.4 with firefox 4.0 (from OBS)?
http://bodybrowser.googlelabs.com/
I tried the suggestion about nvidia drivers (MOZ_GLX_IGNORE_BLACKLIST=1 firefox), but it made no difference. The site tells me:
"Google Body uses WebGL, a new standard for 3D on the Web. Your browser supports WebGL, but WebGL is not initializing properly."
I have the same problem OpenSUSE 11.4 Tumbleweed 64-bit -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Roger Oberholtzer <roger@opq.se> wrote:
Anyone able to use this site on openSUSE 11.4 with firefox 4.0 (from OBS)?
http://bodybrowser.googlelabs.com/
I tried the suggestion about nvidia drivers (MOZ_GLX_IGNORE_BLACKLIST=1 firefox), but it made no difference. The site tells me:
"Google Body uses WebGL, a new standard for 3D on the Web. Your browser supports WebGL, but WebGL is not initializing properly."
I have the same problem
OpenSUSE 11.4 Tumbleweed 64-bit
Waste of time. Has nothing to do with OpenSuSe. Doesn't work on a Mac in Firefox, Safari, or SeaMonkey. "your browser does not appear to support WebGL" It seems to think Firefox 4 is OK. Indeed, 4.0 is required on a Mac. Dunno what the equivalent for 4.0 on a Mac is in linux. -- Tony Alfrey tonyalfrey@earthlink.net "I'd Rather Be Sailing" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 4/12/2011 8:37 PM, Tony Alfrey wrote:
Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Roger Oberholtzer <roger@opq.se> wrote:
Anyone able to use this site on openSUSE 11.4 with firefox 4.0 (from OBS)?
http://bodybrowser.googlelabs.com/
I tried the suggestion about nvidia drivers (MOZ_GLX_IGNORE_BLACKLIST=1 firefox), but it made no difference. The site tells me:
"Google Body uses WebGL, a new standard for 3D on the Web. Your browser supports WebGL, but WebGL is not initializing properly."
I have the same problem
OpenSUSE 11.4 Tumbleweed 64-bit
Waste of time. Has nothing to do with OpenSuSe. Doesn't work on a Mac in Firefox, Safari, or SeaMonkey.
"your browser does not appear to support WebGL"
It seems to think Firefox 4 is OK. Indeed, 4.0 is required on a Mac. Dunno what the equivalent for 4.0 on a Mac is in linux.
I have FF 4.0 on a Win 7 machine, and it won't work here, either. The machine is less than 2 years old. I am in the middle of some problems on the Linux machine, so trying there would not mean anything. --doug -- Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --G. Marx -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 11:25:39 Doug wrote:
On 4/12/2011 8:37 PM, Tony Alfrey wrote:
Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Roger Oberholtzer <roger@opq.se> wrote:
Anyone able to use this site on openSUSE 11.4 with firefox 4.0 (from OBS)?
http://bodybrowser.googlelabs.com/
I tried the suggestion about nvidia drivers (MOZ_GLX_IGNORE_BLACKLIST=1 firefox), but it made no difference. The site tells me:
"Google Body uses WebGL, a new standard for 3D on the Web. Your browser supports WebGL, but WebGL is not initializing properly."
I have the same problem
OpenSUSE 11.4 Tumbleweed 64-bit
Waste of time. Has nothing to do with OpenSuSe. Doesn't work on a Mac in Firefox, Safari, or SeaMonkey.
"your browser does not appear to support WebGL"
It seems to think Firefox 4 is OK. Indeed, 4.0 is required on a Mac. Dunno what the equivalent for 4.0 on a Mac is in linux.
I have FF 4.0 on a Win 7 machine, and it won't work here, either. The machine is less than 2 years old. I am in the middle of some problems on the Linux machine, so trying there would not mean anything.
--doug
It works absolutely fine here, using the latest FF 4 on 11.2 with KDE4.6 and nVidia graphics (260.19.04 driver). -- =================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au =================================================== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 17:37 -0700, Tony Alfrey wrote:
Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Roger Oberholtzer <roger@opq.se> wrote:
Anyone able to use this site on openSUSE 11.4 with firefox 4.0 (from OBS)?
http://bodybrowser.googlelabs.com/
I tried the suggestion about nvidia drivers (MOZ_GLX_IGNORE_BLACKLIST=1 firefox), but it made no difference. The site tells me:
"Google Body uses WebGL, a new standard for 3D on the Web. Your browser supports WebGL, but WebGL is not initializing properly."
I have the same problem
OpenSUSE 11.4 Tumbleweed 64-bit
Waste of time. Has nothing to do with OpenSuSe. Doesn't work on a Mac in Firefox, Safari, or SeaMonkey.
I suspect it 'might' have something to to with openSUSE in that the browser and it's components are configured and packaged as part of openSUSE. And we all would like the browser to be as complete as possible. Perhaps one should first investigate the demos that should be working, such as: https://mozillademos.org/demos/nocomply/demo.html which also does not work for me...
"your browser does not appear to support WebGL"
That is worse that what I get. At least for me it things it is supported and enabled. It is just not initializing. Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am 13.04.2011 09:07, schrieb Roger Oberholtzer:
I suspect it 'might' have something to to with openSUSE in that the browser and it's components are configured and packaged as part of openSUSE. And we all would like the browser to be as complete as possible.
Perhaps one should first investigate the demos that should be working, such as:
https://mozillademos.org/demos/nocomply/demo.html
which also does not work for me...
"your browser does not appear to support WebGL"
That is worse that what I get. At least for me it things it is supported and enabled. It is just not initializing.
You don't get that message? Do you get any output related to gfx if you run firefox from a console? Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2011-04-13 at 09:15 +0200, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Am 13.04.2011 09:07, schrieb Roger Oberholtzer:
I suspect it 'might' have something to to with openSUSE in that the browser and it's components are configured and packaged as part of openSUSE. And we all would like the browser to be as complete as possible.
Perhaps one should first investigate the demos that should be working, such as:
https://mozillademos.org/demos/nocomply/demo.html
which also does not work for me...
"your browser does not appear to support WebGL"
That is worse that what I get. At least for me it things it is supported and enabled. It is just not initializing.
You don't get that message? Do you get any output related to gfx if you run firefox from a console?
Nope. In fact I am running from a console as follows: MOZ_GLX_IGNORE_BLACKLIST=1 firefox This is what was suggested to make the browser ignore a blacklist of graphics drivers it does not like. It makes no difference. Anyway, I see no messages. I will double-check this evening on another system I would expect to be working but does not. The system I can access in the-day-job has too old an ATI card anyway. The site says: "Google Body uses WebGL, a new standard for 3D on the Web. Your browser supports WebGL, but WebGL is not initializing properly." Also, no other demos work Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 17:37 -0700, Tony Alfrey wrote:
Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Roger Oberholtzer <roger@opq.se> wrote:
Anyone able to use this site on openSUSE 11.4 with firefox 4.0 (from OBS)?
http://bodybrowser.googlelabs.com/
I tried the suggestion about nvidia drivers (MOZ_GLX_IGNORE_BLACKLIST=1 firefox), but it made no difference. The site tells me:
"Google Body uses WebGL, a new standard for 3D on the Web. Your browser supports WebGL, but WebGL is not initializing properly." I have the same problem
OpenSUSE 11.4 Tumbleweed 64-bit
Waste of time. Has nothing to do with OpenSuSe. Doesn't work on a Mac in Firefox, Safari, or SeaMonkey.
I suspect it 'might' have something to to with openSUSE in that the browser and it's components are configured and packaged as part of openSUSE. And we all would like the browser to be as complete as possible.
Yes, I was just implying that this WebGL requirement seemed to be part of very new browsers. I get update notices on the Mac very frequently (Safari) and it failed on /that/. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 12/04/11 22:07, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
Anyone able to use this site on openSUSE 11.4 with firefox 4.0 (from OBS)?
http://bodybrowser.googlelabs.com/
I tried the suggestion about nvidia drivers (MOZ_GLX_IGNORE_BLACKLIST=1 firefox), but it made no difference. The site tells me:
"Google Body uses WebGL, a new standard for 3D on the Web. Your browser supports WebGL, but WebGL is not initializing properly."
Works for me with MozillaFirefox-4.0.0-0.3.1.x86_64 nvidia-gfxG02-kmp-desktop-260.19.44_k2.6.37.1_1.2-23.1.x86_64 nvidia geforce 8800GT 512MB but not with fglrx or radeon drivers on another computer. Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
El 12/04/11 18:07, Roger Oberholtzer escribió:
Anyone able to use this site on openSUSE 11.4 with firefox 4.0 (from OBS)?
http://bodybrowser.googlelabs.com/
I tried the suggestion about nvidia drivers (MOZ_GLX_IGNORE_BLACKLIST=1 firefox), but it made no difference. The site tells me:
"Google Body uses WebGL, a new standard for 3D on the Web. Your browser supports WebGL, but WebGL is not initializing properly."
Works for me, 11.4, x86_64, Nvidia propietary driver version 270.41.03 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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