I have been running Mantel 2.4.18.SuSE-27 and haven't seen 2.4.18 on SuSE sight including Mantel for sime time now. I know that the Mantel stuff was experimental, however, should I now change over to 2.4.16-x which is available and being updated on the site? Thanks In Advance, Anthony
Hello SuSE folkz, Is it really nessesary to use SuSE custom compiled kernels from their website with SuSE distro instead of using plain kernel from kernel.org? What are advantages of using Mantel SuSE kernels over the standard ones? Isn't it true that if you need any additional kernel modules or features you can just patch the kernel or compile them in? I always use plain kernels with additional modules (e.g. ALSA) and I never have had any problems. In the same time when I tried to customize SuSE default kernel to my needs, I was always hitting a wall of missing headers and other incompatibilities. Could somebody please enlighten me on this issue. Thank you. Alex
Alex, Please, you shouldn't leverage someone elses thread for your questions. Start another thread more specific to your question so that I can get my problem answered. Thank You, Anthony
Hello SuSE folkz,
Is it really nessesary to use SuSE custom compiled kernels from their website with SuSE distro instead of using plain kernel from kernel.org? What are advantages of using Mantel SuSE kernels over the standard ones? Isn't it true that if you need any additional kernel modules or features you can just patch the kernel or compile them in?
I always use plain kernels with additional modules (e.g. ALSA) and I never have had any problems. In the same time when I tried to customize SuSE default kernel to my needs, I was always hitting a wall of missing headers and other incompatibilities. Could somebody please enlighten me on this issue.
Thank you. Alex
Alex,
Please, you shouldn't leverage someone elses thread for your questions. Start another thread more specific to your question so that I can get my
answered.
Thank You, Anthony
Hello SuSE folkz,
Is it really nessesary to use SuSE custom compiled kernels from
Anthony, It is NOT YOUR thread.:) It's mine! It's even named differently, and it asked other questions than yours. My clients hitting problems with default SuSE kernels. So, I'm interested nor lesser than you to get clarifications about potential values of such kernel customization. Alex ------------------- problem their
website with SuSE distro instead of using plain kernel from kernel.org? What are advantages of using Mantel SuSE kernels over the standard ones? Isn't it true that if you need any additional kernel modules or features you can just patch the kernel or compile them in?
I always use plain kernels with additional modules (e.g. ALSA) and I never have had any problems. In the same time when I tried to customize SuSE default kernel to my needs, I was always hitting a wall of missing headers and other incompatibilities. Could somebody please enlighten me on this issue.
Thank you. Alex
Alex, Upon receipt of your msg It threaded in KMail under my Thread eventhough the Subject changed. Maybe there's a problem with KMail...sorry. I'm looking into compiling from plain kernels, however, I've been warned by SuSE and others that there is a risk since SuSE might have some SuSE specific solutions. Anyway, what are your thoughts? What kernel 2.4.19pre7, 2.4.18 or 2.5x do you recommend??? Thanks, Anthony
Anthony,
It is NOT YOUR thread.:) It's mine! It's even named differently, and it asked other questions than yours.
My clients hitting problems with default SuSE kernels. So, I'm interested nor lesser than you to get clarifications about potential values of such kernel customization.
Alex
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Alex,
Please, you shouldn't leverage someone elses thread for your
questions. Start
another thread more specific to your question so that I can get my
problem
answered.
Thank You, Anthony
Hello SuSE folkz,
Is it really nessesary to use SuSE custom compiled kernels from
their
website with SuSE distro instead of using plain kernel from kernel.org? What are advantages of using Mantel SuSE kernels over the standard ones? Isn't it true that if you need any additional kernel modules
or
features you can just patch the kernel or compile them in?
I always use plain kernels with additional modules (e.g. ALSA) and
I
never have had any problems. In the same time when I tried to customize SuSE default kernel to my needs, I was always hitting a wall of missing headers and other incompatibilities. Could somebody please enlighten me on this issue.
Thank you. Alex
On Tuesday 23 April 2002 23:09, Anthony W. Marino wrote:
Upon receipt of your msg It threaded in KMail under my Thread eventhough the Subject changed. Maybe there's a problem with KMail...sorry.
No problem with KMail. Mr. Daniloff "created" a new thread by hitting reply on your message and changing the subject. He was wrong, you were right.
I'm looking into compiling from plain kernels, however, I've been warned by SuSE and others that there is a risk since SuSE might have some SuSE specific solutions. Anyway, what are your thoughts?
What kernel 2.4.19pre7, 2.4.18 or 2.5x do you recommend???
Don't use preX, don't ever, never use 2.5. Both of those are beta and For Developers Only. //Anders
If I do elect to use plain kernel, are there any special SuSE specific steps that I MUST take (ie; SuSEconfig) ??? Thank You, Anthony
On Tuesday 23 April 2002 23:09, Anthony W. Marino wrote:
Upon receipt of your msg It threaded in KMail under my Thread eventhough the Subject changed. Maybe there's a problem with KMail...sorry.
No problem with KMail. Mr. Daniloff "created" a new thread by hitting reply on your message and changing the subject. He was wrong, you were right.
I'm looking into compiling from plain kernels, however, I've been warned by SuSE and others that there is a risk since SuSE might have some SuSE specific solutions. Anyway, what are your thoughts?
What kernel 2.4.19pre7, 2.4.18 or 2.5x do you recommend???
Don't use preX, don't ever, never use 2.5. Both of those are beta and For Developers Only.
//Anders
-- Anthony W. Marino Pres./CTO, AWM Objects email: anthony@AWMObjects.com phone: (732) 610-2441
On Tuesday 23 April 2002 23:21, Anthony W. Marino wrote:
If I do elect to use plain kernel, are there any special SuSE specific steps that I MUST take (ie; SuSEconfig) ???
No, you don't have to run SuSEconfig. Just make sure you have all patches you need for the system you're running (one *big* reason to go with SuSE kernels is that they test the patches they apply. If you have two patches that do two seemingly different things, there is *no* guarantee that they will work well together). After that, compile the kernel and any modules you need, install in /boot and /lib/modules as per usual, edit /etc/lilo.conf and run /sbin/lilo. Anders
Thank You Very Much! Anthony
On Tuesday 23 April 2002 23:21, Anthony W. Marino wrote:
If I do elect to use plain kernel, are there any special SuSE specific steps that I MUST take (ie; SuSEconfig) ???
No, you don't have to run SuSEconfig. Just make sure you have all patches you need for the system you're running (one *big* reason to go with SuSE kernels is that they test the patches they apply. If you have two patches that do two seemingly different things, there is *no* guarantee that they will work well together).
After that, compile the kernel and any modules you need, install in /boot and /lib/modules as per usual, edit /etc/lilo.conf and run /sbin/lilo.
Anders
Anthony, Sometimes commercial vendors tend to attach their own strings to a such open and available essence as a Linux kernel. They could warn you that your Linux box will burst in flames and smoke if you won't use their version of kernel an so on. It's mostly political and marketing trick in order to keep end user bound to the particular distro. In reality you can create your own distro from the plain kernel sources and run it with the same bells and whistels as a commercial distro. The only challenging thing you'll face is a flashy user friendly setup/upgrade and installation interface a'la YAST or something similar. That is why YAST is not free. Regarding kernels, you can download latest stable kernel 2.4.18 and modutils 2.4.15 from kernel.org. Download newest ALSA modules. Deinstall SuSE modutils with --nodeps option. Install downloaded modutils. Compile your own kernel tailored to your hardware and particular needs. Reboot. Compile ALSA modules according to its README files. That's it. You'll notice that your kernel will be smaller and faster than default bulky SuSE kernel. You can even get rid of that useless boot splash screen designed for corporate dorks. Alex -------------------
Alex,
Upon receipt of your msg It threaded in KMail under my Thread eventhough the Subject changed. Maybe there's a problem with KMail...sorry.
I'm looking into compiling from plain kernels, however, I've been warned by SuSE and others that there is a risk since SuSE might have some SuSE specific solutions. Anyway, what are your thoughts?
What kernel 2.4.19pre7, 2.4.18 or 2.5x do you recommend???
Thanks,
Anthony
* Alex Daniloff (alex@daniloff.com) [020423 15:25]: ::Anthony, :: ::Sometimes commercial vendors tend to attach their own strings to a ::such open and available essence as a Linux kernel. ::They could warn you that your Linux box will burst in flames and smoke ::if you won't use their version of kernel an so on. ::It's mostly political and marketing trick in order to keep end user ::bound to the particular distro. That's a load of crap. A lot of the patches SuSE uses early on make it into the next release of the vanilla kernel and such things as the VM that is now the standard in the kernel was written by a SuSE employee. ::In reality you can create your own distro from the plain kernel ::sources and run it with the same bells and whistels as a commercial ::distro. The only challenging thing you'll face is a flashy user ::friendly setup/upgrade and installation interface a'la YAST or ::something similar. That is why YAST is not free. YaST is to bloody free and you get the src. What you are not free to do is sell it. You can modify the src you DO get and use it any way, shape, form or fashion you desire. You just can make a small modification and resell it. It's free as in speech..not as in beer. It's not FSF Free Software, but it sure as hell is Open Source and free. ::Regarding kernels, you can download latest stable kernel 2.4.18 and ::modutils 2.4.15 from kernel.org. Download newest ALSA modules. ::Deinstall SuSE modutils with --nodeps option. ::Install downloaded modutils. Compile your own kernel tailored to your ::hardware and particular needs. Reboot. Compile ALSA modules according ::to its README files. That's it. You'll notice that your kernel will be ::smaller and faster than default bulky SuSE kernel. ::You can even get rid of that useless boot splash screen designed for ::corporate dorks. A. Almost everything in the 7.3 and 8.0 kernels are modules now. B. Damn that's a lot of work for 98% of the userbase C. The boot screen in 7.3 and 8.0 is a lilo option, so anyone can edit their lilo.conf and comment it out. It's not part of the kernel ..hasn't been for sometime. D. Why not just use the SuSE patched kernels? That way you get the benefit of all the patches that they apply so you don't have to do it yourself and you can check and uncheck features at will. There isn't a prerequisite size for a SuSE kernel or a prerequisite number of features that must be there. I mean for all this work your talking about doing with compiling this or that. Why not just run something like Debian. It's much more friendly to "do everything yourself" then SuSE. *shrug* -=Ben --=====-----=====-- mailto:ben@whack.org --=====-- "I've never been quarantined. But the more I look around the more I think it might not be a bad thing." -GC --=====-----=====--
* Ben Rosenberg (ben@whack.org) [020423 15:52]: :: ::D. Why not just use the SuSE patched kernels? That way you get the :: benefit of all the patches that they apply so you don't have to do it :: yourself and you can check and uncheck features at will. There isn't a :: prerequisite size for a SuSE kernel or a prerequisite number of features :: that must be there. I ment SuSE patched kernel sources to compile your own kernel. -=Ben --=====-----=====-- mailto:ben@whack.org --=====-- "I've never been quarantined. But the more I look around the more I think it might not be a bad thing." -GC --=====-----=====--
Suse 7.1, kernel 2.4.17, Dual Celeron, Gigabyte GA-6BXD. Vanilla kernels work ok on this system. Brian Marr On Wednesday 24 April 2002 06:39, you wrote:
Alex,
Upon receipt of your msg It threaded in KMail under my Thread eventhough the Subject changed. Maybe there's a problem with KMail...sorry.
I'm looking into compiling from plain kernels, however, I've been warned by SuSE and others that there is a risk since SuSE might have some SuSE specific solutions. Anyway, what are your thoughts?
What kernel 2.4.19pre7, 2.4.18 or 2.5x do you recommend???
Thanks,
Anthony
Anthony,
It is NOT YOUR thread.:) It's mine! It's even named differently, and it asked other questions than yours.
My clients hitting problems with default SuSE kernels. So, I'm interested nor lesser than you to get clarifications about potential values of such kernel customization.
Alex
-------------------
Alex,
Please, you shouldn't leverage someone elses thread for your
questions. Start
another thread more specific to your question so that I can get my
problem
answered.
Thank You, Anthony
Hello SuSE folkz,
Is it really nessesary to use SuSE custom compiled kernels from
their
website with SuSE distro instead of using plain kernel from kernel.org? What are advantages of using Mantel SuSE kernels over the standard ones? Isn't it true that if you need any additional kernel modules
or
features you can just patch the kernel or compile them in?
I always use plain kernels with additional modules (e.g. ALSA) and
I
never have had any problems. In the same time when I tried to customize SuSE default kernel to my needs, I was always hitting a wall of missing headers and other incompatibilities. Could somebody please enlighten me on this issue.
Thank you. Alex
Hello, Besides freeing up extra memory, will a custom kernel make a big difference in performance? I have an IBM Thinkpad T20 (p3-700, 384mb ram) and it just does not seem to performing "crisply" as my (many) other SuSE systems do. Perhaps this is a result of the less-than-stellar S3 Savage IX8 8mb video chipset? Thanks, Dominic --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
Alle 23:02, martedì 23 aprile 2002, Dominic Maraglia ha scritto:
Hello,
Besides freeing up extra memory, will a custom kernel make a big difference in performance?
I have an IBM Thinkpad T20 (p3-700, 384mb ram) and it just does not seem to performing "crisply" as my (many) other SuSE systems do.
I noticed a certain performance hit when I optimized my kernel for Athlon instead of pentium. I did not want to run the whole xconfig so I changed only that option, and the difference was little but good:-) Obiously, it took the same memory as before.-) Praise
* Alex Daniloff (alex@daniloff.com) [020423 11:58]:
Is it really nessesary to use SuSE custom compiled kernels from their website with SuSE distro instead of using plain kernel from kernel.org?
No, of course not.
What are advantages of using Mantel SuSE kernels over the standard ones? Isn't it true that if you need any additional kernel modules or features you can just patch the kernel or compile them in?
The SuSE kernels have patches from our developers that haven't been added to the Linus tree yet but there's nothing magic in them. The SuSE kernels are built with pretty much every module possible so there shouldn't be any to rebuild for that. -- -ckm
Christopher, Should I be running SuSE 2.4.16-x rather that Mantel's 2.4.28-27? Anthony
* Alex Daniloff (alex@daniloff.com) [020423 11:58]:
Is it really nessesary to use SuSE custom compiled kernels from their website with SuSE distro instead of using plain kernel from kernel.org?
No, of course not.
What are advantages of using Mantel SuSE kernels over the standard ones? Isn't it true that if you need any additional kernel modules or features you can just patch the kernel or compile them in?
The SuSE kernels have patches from our developers that haven't been added to the Linus tree yet but there's nothing magic in them.
The SuSE kernels are built with pretty much every module possible so there shouldn't be any to rebuild for that.
-- Anthony W. Marino Pres./CTO, AWM Objects email: anthony@AWMObjects.com phone: (732) 610-2441
One mail is enough, thanks. * Anthony W. Marino (anthony@AWMObjects.com) [020423 12:11]:
Should I be running SuSE 2.4.16-x rather that Mantel's 2.4.28-27?
Anything out of ~mantel/next shouldn't be run unless you are willing to beta test patches and possibly have your machine burst into flames. -- -ckm
Chris, I'm interested in XFS journalling software and with the impression that only 2.4.18 had this. If that is true, where can I find a SuSE 2.4.18 for 7.3 or does SuSE 2.4.16-x have it? Thanks, Anthony
One mail is enough, thanks.
* Anthony W. Marino (anthony@AWMObjects.com) [020423 12:11]:
Should I be running SuSE 2.4.16-x rather that Mantel's 2.4.28-27?
Anything out of ~mantel/next shouldn't be run unless you are willing to beta test patches and possibly have your machine burst into flames.
-- Anthony W. Marino Pres./CTO, AWM Objects email: anthony@AWMObjects.com phone: (732) 610-2441
Chris, The Mantel version that I'm using is 2.4.18-27 and NOT 2.4.28-27. Anthony
Christopher, Should I be running SuSE 2.4.16-x rather that Mantel's 2.4.28-27?
Anthony
* Alex Daniloff (alex@daniloff.com) [020423 11:58]:
Is it really nessesary to use SuSE custom compiled kernels from their website with SuSE distro instead of using plain kernel from kernel.org?
No, of course not.
What are advantages of using Mantel SuSE kernels over the standard ones? Isn't it true that if you need any additional kernel modules or features you can just patch the kernel or compile them in?
The SuSE kernels have patches from our developers that haven't been added to the Linus tree yet but there's nothing magic in them.
The SuSE kernels are built with pretty much every module possible so there shouldn't be any to rebuild for that.
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