First impressions. Fresh install on real machine went smoothly on one machine but trying to upgrade an 11.0A1 VirtualBox install failed to upgrade even one package. No errors occurred it just seemed to skip the part where software would be selected. Since KDE 4 is the default KDE version installed and it is still fairly new there are numerous bugs that I hope are worked out before the GM release. But then that is why I am testing on spare hardware, to help find the bugs. It also appears that the KDE devs are taking lessons from the gnome devs where less control is better. The number of options available for config in the control panel is far less then what I would expect based on past experience. This could be setup as a choice: beginner == fewer options presented, advanced == more config options presented. On freshly installed machine my Logitech wheel mouse is not recognized. Even after adding the appropriate info in xorg.conf. Re-sizing any window larger in the KDE desktop requires a click in the missing portion to make it visible. Launching KDE apps from the menu (or via alt-f2 popup) causes a SIGSEGV error to pop up but they run from the command line. More info (and bug reports opened) as I continue to test. Bottom line: keep up the great work as I think this will end up as a very good version, not great (because of the KDE4 bugs that will persist. But that is to be expected when you have a major UI change. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org