On 03/21/2017 06:20 AM, George from the tribe wrote:

On 03/21/2017 06:18 AM, George from the tribe wrote:

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my apologies for this... I sent an email to the opensuse-test list, and that email went through just fine. For some reason, it seems I am not able to send emails to this regular opensuse list. I am receiving emails just fine.

Could my email have been blocked for some reason? It looks like this started last night.

If this email goes through, then the problem is sending an email to the thread I started a few days ago. I have had to send the same reply 4 times now, and it hasn't come back to me on the list. Could that thread somehow have been officially closed?

I am using thunderbird 45.8 on leap 42.2 with plasma5. Anyone else having a similar experience?

Ok, so this email went through. That confirms that the reply I sent to the bitcoin thread, same reply 4 times, is the one that isn't coming back to me on the list. Anyone know why that would happen?

I checked the mailing list archives, and my reply isn't posted on there either, even though I have sent it 4 times and it is in my sent folder, with no indication of why it would not post to the list. So somewhere somehow my email is not posting to that list. I will try sending it one more time. -- George Box: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | AMD Phenom IIX4 | 64 | 32GB Laptop #1: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | Core i7-4710HQ | 64 | 16GB Laptop #2: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | Core i5 | 64 | 8GB -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 03/21/2017 06:36 AM, Felix Miata wrote:

George from the tribe composed on 2017-03-21 06:24 (UTC+0800): ...

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I checked the mailing list archives, and my reply isn't posted on there either, even though I have sent it 4 times and it is in my sent folder, with no indication of why it would not post to the list. So somewhere somehow my email is not posting to that list. I will try sending it one more time.

What archive are you searching? Is https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2017-03/msg00486.html not your first bitcoin post? What is the topic/subject that is not reaching the list? There seem to be some words that are taboo for subject lines on @opensuse.org lists.

It was the same thread that I started a few days ago. The subject line wasn't modified, so the trigger had to be something in the text of the email itself. I tried pasting the text of the email and responding here, but it also wouldn't go through. some of the words I had in the email were zypper, pip, and python. Maybe one of those? I also had a hyperlink to a website called "linux_b_a_b_e_.com", (without the underscores) where the tutorial for electrum was located. Perhaps that was the word that triggered it - it would make sense that this would be a flagged word. I will try that one and modify the link or remove it. -- George Box: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | AMD Phenom IIX4 | 64 | 32GB Laptop #1: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | Core i7-4710HQ | 64 | 16GB Laptop #2: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | Core i5 | 64 | 8GB -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2017-03-21 02:41, L A Walsh wrote:

george from the tribe wrote:

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It was the same thread that I started a few days ago. The subject line wasn't modified, so the trigger had to be something in the text of the email itself. I tried pasting the text of the email and responding here, but it also wouldn't go through.

It was an url that had the word b-a-b-e on it, but has nothing to do with anything dirty. He later managed to post it using dashes. So yes, a word filter. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith))

On 03/21/2017 06:47 AM, Greg Freemyer wrote:

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 6:24 PM, George from the tribe wrote:

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On 03/21/2017 06:20 AM, George from the tribe wrote:

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On 03/21/2017 06:18 AM, George from the tribe wrote:

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my apologies for this... I sent an email to the opensuse-test list, and that email went through just fine. For some reason, it seems I am not able to send emails to this regular opensuse list. I am receiving emails just fine.

Could my email have been blocked for some reason? It looks like this started last night.

If this email goes through, then the problem is sending an email to the thread I started a few days ago. I have had to send the same reply 4 times now, and it hasn't come back to me on the list. Could that thread somehow have been officially closed?

I am using thunderbird 45.8 on leap 42.2 with plasma5. Anyone else having a similar experience?

Ok, so this email went through. That confirms that the reply I sent to the bitcoin thread, same reply 4 times, is the one that isn't coming back to me on the list. Anyone know why that would happen?

I checked the mailing list archives, and my reply isn't posted on there either, even though I have sent it 4 times and it is in my sent folder, with no indication of why it would not post to the list. So somewhere somehow my email is not posting to that list. I will try sending it one more time.

There are some trigger words that cause automatic manual moderation.

If you used one of those, it can take hours, or even a day or two, to get through.

Last I knew, the proper spelling of s_y_s_t_e_m_d was one of those words. I don't know if there are others.

Greg

Is there a list of what those trigger words might be? Could it be a particulary link? I posted a link to a bitcoin forum in the email. -- George Box: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | AMD Phenom IIX4 | 64 | 32GB Laptop #1: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | Core i7-4710HQ | 64 | 16GB Laptop #2: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | Core i5 | 64 | 8GB -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2017-03-21 07:27, Per Jessen wrote:

Greg Freemyer wrote:

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There are some trigger words that cause automatic manual moderation.

If you used one of those, it can take hours, or even a day or two, to get through.

Last I knew, the proper spelling of s_y_s_t_e_m_d was one of those words. I don't know if there are others.

Currently there is no moderation nor automatic discard being triggered by content. Mails recognised as spam are automatically discarded, and HTML content is denied (=the sender will be informed).

There is something somewhere. Maybe not in the list, perhaps in some intermediary server. See the headers: (1) I sent an email with the word f..kit and it was delayed several minutes. He sent an email with the word b-a-b-e-s in a link and it was blocked, several times he say, till he added dashes between the letters. (1) Received: from lists5.opensuse.org (195.135.221.153) by smtp.movistar.es (8.6.122.03) id 58D04C210003956C for robin.listas@....; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:31:35 +0000 Received: from baloo.opensuse.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists5.opensuse.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63FEE1102D; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:23:25 +0000 (UTC) The same post with dots in the middle of the four letter word passed undelayed: Received: from lists5.opensuse.org (195.135.221.153) by smtp.movistar.es (8.6.122.03) id 58B56D0E02CBE42B for robin.listas@telefonica.net; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:32:20 +0000 Received: from baloo.opensuse.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists5.opensuse.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFDDD10E2D; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:32:12 +0000 (UTC) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith))

On 2017-03-21 15:21, Per Jessen wrote:

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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There is something somewhere. Maybe not in the list, perhaps in some intermediary server. See the headers: (1)

Yes, the mailserver runs spamassassin.

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I sent an email with the word f..kit and it was delayed several minutes.

Email is not instant messaging. Delays happen, see below.

I know.

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He sent an email with the word b-a-b-e-s in a link and it was blocked, several times he say, till he added dashes between the letters.

I am pretty certain we don't block based on spamassassin results. Mails with spamlevel 60 and above are still forwarded to the list server (where we get rid of them).

But he said he posted four times, none got through. :-? Perhaps he can supply the messageids and you can find what happened.

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Received: from lists5.opensuse.org (195.135.221.153) by smtp.movistar.es (8.6.122.03) id 58D04C210003956C for robin.listas@....; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:31:35 +0000 Received: from baloo.opensuse.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists5.opensuse.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63FEE1102D; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:23:25 +0000 (UTC)

Yes, that mail was scheduled for delivery at 02:23:25. At 02:24:57 we tried your telefonica address, but it was temporarily refused:

(host tnetmx.telefonica.net[86.109.99.69] said: 451 unable to verify address (in reply to MAIL FROM command))

At 02:32:30 we retried delivery, and this time it worked.

Ah, so it was my ISP who delayed it. Good to know, thanks :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith))

On 2017-03-21 15:52, Per Jessen wrote:

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2017-03-21 15:21, Per Jessen wrote:

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I am pretty certain we don't block based on spamassassin results. Mails with spamlevel 60 and above are still forwarded to the list server (where we get rid of them).

But he said he posted four times, none got through. :-?

Perhaps he can supply the messageids and you can find what happened.

I'd be happy to, but that won't help much - the mailing list did not reject anything from George.

Well, the ball is on George, to provide the message ids of the lost posts. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith))

On 2017-03-21 16:19, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Carlos E. R. <> [03-21-17 11:03]:

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On 2017-03-21 15:52, Per Jessen wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2017-03-21 15:21, Per Jessen wrote:

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I am pretty certain we don't block based on spamassassin results. Mails with spamlevel 60 and above are still forwarded to the list server (where we get rid of them).

But he said he posted four times, none got through. :-?

Perhaps he can supply the messageids and you can find what happened.

I'd be happy to, but that won't help much - the mailing list did not reject anything from George.

Well, the ball is on George, to provide the message ids of the lost posts.

I think he cannot see is own posts. for the last three days, here is what I have seen:

c86f616d-a263-e921-eae9-629f026bd418@reachthetribes.org 7503afff-01dc-ec55-ccce-f546e732062f@reachthetribes.org 5247e86e-7fc8-c584-2552-a3815fbe0c14@reachthetribes.org 597b8053-6521-b716-c1cc-210e18a61025@reachthetribes.org df8e854e-e6d0-2e79-791c-2aae308c5f39@reachthetribes.org 70369255-8970-1b22-f3cd-18c638c6b0c2@reachthetribes.org f4beb5ae-90c5-e832-351f-6c137f38ff7d@reachthetribes.org faac6364-3212-7b8e-583f-1b336e704516@reachthetribes.org 60e65130-779f-e859-004d-d914b70274d9@reachthetribes.org 27825416-091c-7c1a-1771-e61417555313@reachthetribes.org 9cc8ab08-65c2-313c-2946-3ded1c7b1366@reachthetribes.org bb3d67b1-13b9-881e-102b-2d862e73ce98@reachthetribes.org

He claimed that posts containing this URL did not make through: https://www.linuxbabe.com/desktop-linux/how-to-install-use-electrum-bitcoin-... I sent an email to the test list and it came through. Let's see this one. It is also possible that his post was filtered out by his own ISP. I know my ISP does refuses to send some posts that contain certain URLs. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith))

sdm wrote:

On 03/21/2017 06:01 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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He claimed that posts containing this URL did not make through:

https://www.linuxbabe.com/desktop-linux/how-to-install-use-electrum-bitcoin-...

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I sent an email to the test list and it came through. Let's see this one.

It is also possible that his post was filtered out by his own ISP. I know my ISP does refuses to send some posts that contain certain URLs.

-- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith))

Could it be George had the delivery format in Thunderbird set to "Auto-Detect" instead of "Plain Text Only", and therefore the email was rejected by the mail server?

None of George's mails were rejected or discarded by the mailing list server. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (5.9°C) openSUSE mailing list admin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 03/21/2017 11:19 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Carlos E. R. [03-21-17 11:03]:

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On 2017-03-21 15:52, Per Jessen wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2017-03-21 15:21, Per Jessen wrote:

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I am pretty certain we don't block based on spamassassin results. Mails with spamlevel 60 and above are still forwarded to the list server (where we get rid of them).

But he said he posted four times, none got through. :-?

Perhaps he can supply the messageids and you can find what happened.

I'd be happy to, but that won't help much - the mailing list did not reject anything from George.

Well, the ball is on George, to provide the message ids of the lost posts.

I think he cannot see is own posts. for the last three days, here is what I have seen:

c86f616d-a263-e921-eae9-629f026bd418@reachthetribes.org 7503afff-01dc-ec55-ccce-f546e732062f@reachthetribes.org 5247e86e-7fc8-c584-2552-a3815fbe0c14@reachthetribes.org 597b8053-6521-b716-c1cc-210e18a61025@reachthetribes.org df8e854e-e6d0-2e79-791c-2aae308c5f39@reachthetribes.org 70369255-8970-1b22-f3cd-18c638c6b0c2@reachthetribes.org f4beb5ae-90c5-e832-351f-6c137f38ff7d@reachthetribes.org faac6364-3212-7b8e-583f-1b336e704516@reachthetribes.org 60e65130-779f-e859-004d-d914b70274d9@reachthetribes.org 27825416-091c-7c1a-1771-e61417555313@reachthetribes.org 9cc8ab08-65c2-313c-2946-3ded1c7b1366@reachthetribes.org bb3d67b1-13b9-881e-102b-2d862e73ce98@reachthetribes.org

None of these message ids match in the list: <68b6b2b0-9eef-85bb-8189-0c7079d23132@reachthetribes.org> <7e523640-ca7a-4efe-5d1e-e1f6eefe84dc@reachthetribes.org> <87262e48-1b11-ba83-0b45-36277fde41c3@reachthetribes.org>

But you can see that the one that went through does match a message on the list: <27825416-091c-7c1a-1771-e61417555313@reachthetribes.org> -- George Box: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | AMD Phenom IIX4 | 64 | 32GB Laptop #1: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | Core i7-4710HQ | 64 | 16GB Laptop #2: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | Core i5 | 64 | 8GB -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

George from the tribe wrote:

Ok, here is the message id for the first one I sent that I never saw go through: <68b6b2b0-9eef-85bb-8189-0c7079d23132@reachthetribes.org> <7e523640-ca7a-4efe-5d1e-e1f6eefe84dc@reachthetribes.org> <87262e48-1b11-ba83-0b45-36277fde41c3@reachthetribes.org>

None of those were seen on the mailing list server.

Then in this one, I changed the word in link to have underscores between letters for the word b_a_b_e. This email did finally go through and I saw it come back to me on the list. <27825416-091c-7c1a-1771-e61417555313@reachthetribes.org>

Yup, got that one. Your obfuscation of a word could easily be caught by spamassassin on the mail server, but the mail would still have been passed through. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (7.4°C) openSUSE mailing list admin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 03/22/2017 07:03 PM, George from the tribe wrote:

On 03/21/2017 02:38 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

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George from the tribe wrote:

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my apologies for this... I sent an email to the opensuse-test list, and that email went through just fine. For some reason, it seems I am not able to send emails to this regular opensuse list. I am receiving emails just fine.

Could my email have been blocked for some reason? It looks like this started last night.

Hi George

none of your postings have been blocked or moderated.

/Per

Thanks, Per. I posted another response with the message IDs of the email I sent, but I did not receive back. I thought maybe my outgoing email server was blocking them from being sent, so I tried sending that exact same message to a different email account of my own. It went through just fine, so it can't be my own outgoing email server.

Per, just a thought. Could it be that having the word "b-a-b-e" in the email, combined with my email coming from the Philippines, somehow causes the spam filter to filter it out? -- George Box: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | AMD Phenom IIX4 | 64 | 32GB Laptop #1: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | Core i7-4710HQ | 64 | 16GB Laptop #2: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | Core i5 | 64 | 8GB -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

George from the tribe wrote:

On 03/22/2017 07:03 PM, George from the tribe wrote: Per, just a thought. Could it be that having the word "b-a-b-e" in the email, combined with my email coming from the Philippines, somehow causes the spam filter to filter it out?

I think having the word babe could have caused some extra points, but nowhere near enough to just discard it. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (7.7°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2017-03-22 13:00, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2017-03-22 12:58, Per Jessen wrote:

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George from the tribe wrote:

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On 03/22/2017 07:03 PM, George from the tribe wrote: Per, just a thought. Could it be that having the word "b-a-b-e" in the email, combined with my email coming from the Philippines, somehow causes the spam filter to filter it out?

I think having the word babe could have caused some extra points, but nowhere near enough to just discard it.

And in the URL, not in the text. That's more points.

A test post from me with that URL gets: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at localhost X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.699 tagged_above=-9999 required=5 tests=[FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=disabled And when he replied, he got: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at localhost X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 tagged_above=-9999 required=5 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.5] autolearn=disable basically the same. No match on the URL at all. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith))

On 2017-03-22 14:19, Richmond wrote:

George from the tribe writes:

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Per, just a thought. Could it be that having the word "b-a-b-e" in the email, combined with my email coming from the Philippines, somehow causes the spam filter to filter it out?

I think Sherlock Holmes would proceed by eliminating the impossible. Perhaps you could use a free email account to send to the list and see if the problems go away?

The problem, whatever it was, seems to have disappeared.

I see some of your posts, but not others. I can't see this one:

68b6b2b0-9eef-85bb-8189-0c7079d23132@reachthetribes.org

Nobody saw that one. But nobody knows where it was lost, either. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith))

On 03/22/2017 07:44 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2017-03-22 12:03, George from the tribe wrote:

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I thought maybe my outgoing email server was blocking them from being sent, so I tried sending that exact same message to a different email account of my own. It went through just fine, so it can't be my own outgoing email server.

Send one to me, for instance, I'll tell you when I get it.

Ok, I just sent you a copy of that email to your email address, and not the list, at 8:35 pm Philippine Standard Time. -- George Box: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | AMD Phenom IIX4 | 64 | 32GB Laptop #1: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | Core i7-4710HQ | 64 | 16GB Laptop #2: 42.2 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | Core i5 | 64 | 8GB -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org