Marcus Meissner schreef:

You know, people only post problems to this list.

They don't usually post when they are happy, and there likely are 99.9% happy campers out there.

Ciao, Marcus

But ocassionally there is also a creative proposal, but very rarely. No one ever designated this as a problem solving list. If people are happy you expect them to also tell the tale of that. I'm not saying that people shouldn't be happy or aren't allowed to be happy. There are many forums out there and who knows, perhaps mailing lists are not suited for that sort of thing (but then, why?) but normally on a forum you also see happy stuff and people telling about what they do, certainly not constant and consequent "problem solving" as the only thing, you know. You'd get tales of "I've done this and that in this way". Granted, technical forums of any kind are perhaps mostly suited for problem solving, but that doesn't take away from the fact that even the regulars also don't post about what is going right. So it's a bit like the news: you see only the negative stuff. One of the other posters here mentioned that every post here should be a problem solving post. One that constructively solves problems. But that merely points to the fact that apparently problems is all there are, and not really successes, because he didn't mention that posts here could celebrate like Suse Linux. So why do you suppose there is no or hardly any (that I know of) celebration? Linux requires investment and dedication so there is no reason not to post if something goes right. But the reason I was mentioning what I mentioned was also, and more importantly, that the kind of problems that come by are not really creative problems in the sense of "how do I do this or that?" but more reactive problems in the sense of "how do I fix this or that?" It is when you move to a higher level because the lower levels have been covered, that your existence becomes easier, more happy, and more fruitful. And when most people can only respond with a limited vocabulary that says "troll" whilst also beating themselves on the chest for seeming to "solve" "that" "problem" .... well the spirit of it is negativity, not happiness, breaking down, not building up. A post filled with sarcasm and mean-spiritedness as an attempt to lift people up and call for the great life, the happy life, the constructive life -- a much-abused word. This mean-spiritedness can only come from daily frustration and being immersed in negative thought-forms all day long. So basically I'm saying the feeling that I get is one of X and Y and the person responds in X and Y. You know, it's not harder than that. I mention negativity and getting worn out by problems, and someone responds with negativity and a feeling of being worn out. That's why I called for a bit of distance. These emails on this list are not healthy man :P. I was just saying how much of a good effect it has on me to not be daily immersed in it. And given how poor "Windows" is (why Windows really?) in the "programmatic tool" department .... that I would probably have a need at some point to immerse myself in it again, only to solve some goals or to de-invent some problems. But I do have a need to get out of it again let's say on a regular basis, just to breathe some fresh air again. I would simply recommend playing a good video game now and then, it is software and if there are bugs people complain so much and so much money is usually at stake, that everything gets solved and effectively it is not even released until it's done, or it won't be a commercial success. Also I recommend watching some good and funny documentary, or listening to cute music, as some leisure time set aside from Linux lol. It is very healthy and if you are lucky you will have a system to do it on that doesn't require any form of maintenance or customization that is needed. No things that go wrong, nothing that will collapse, and then you are re-energized when you return to this Linux thing again :P. At least that's how it is for me. It's just that you can't say anything on any Linux list or forum that mentions anything of the real world reality you are facing while using it. Everything has to be that ugly word "constructive" so you can't even relate your own experience as truthful as you may. People don't want to hear your experience (an experience is not a judgement) because an experience can be both negative and postitive and they don't want to hear the negative parts, /even when they are not being judgemental/. So you can hardly speak to anyone about what you experience because a) non tech people hardly understand what you are talking about b) Linux people don't want to hear about what you are talking about That makes it a rather lonely thing, right, this "community". Everyone is so ego-invested in being "wonderful" that you can't tell when something appears as "not wonderful" to you. You cannot relate things that you do not find wonderful. So you are like prohibited of just talking about what you feel because it is not (ugly) "constructive" enough. You cannot share your experiences, but when you do not relate the negative feelings, you also do not get the opportunity to relate any positive feelings; the result is that in the end and eventually more and more, you do not relate anything at all. And that is why there is no "happiness" on this list, to have your answer. It is because "unhappiness" is called "trolling" by people who are very unhappy themselves but who do not express it. There is that answer to that question yes. A little bit of thinking and we arrive at it, it was that easy. Of course some will call this trolling too, because actually they don't really like constructive things at all. So the only thing I would really call for at this point is: the freedom to express yourself. Go ahead and do it more. I invite you :P. TELL ABOUT WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE. And don't package it in an attempt to appear clever or to boast yourself or to belitte others PLEAZE. Why just not speak of what is not as magnificent as well? If you had a bad experience, you can just tell it. And don't immediately crack down on it as if it shouldn't be said. THAT is negative. Anyway. Regards, and bye again. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 27/11/15 10:19, George Olson (SUSE list) wrote: [...] Please, can we kill this thread? It is a troll. I understand the urge to join in and comment, but the best response to this sort of post is to ignore it. Then they get bored and hopefully go away. Remember - Don't feed the Trolls! Bob -- Bob Williams System: Linux 4.1.12-1-default Distro: openSUSE 42.1 (x86_64) with KDE Development Platform: 4.14.10

Xen wrote:

Bob Williams schreef:

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On 27/11/15 10:19, George Olson (SUSE list) wrote: [...]

Please, can we kill this thread? It is a troll. I understand the urge to join in and comment, but the best response to this sort of post is to ignore it. Then they get bored and hopefully go away.

Remember - Don't feed the Trolls!

So what is your big intertest in terminating someone else's thread?

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