[opensuse] Dual boot 12.2 & W7
Hi all, I got to make a new laptop with W7 dual bootable with 12.2. Normally i would just insert the dvd and let yast shrink the windows stuff, however i wonder if this is possible: i examined the drive and noticed that all primary partitions are already in use: sda1 200M ntfs 15% sda2 442G ntfs 7% sda3 20G ntfs 90% sda4 4g fat 73% Obviously, no media were supplied with the laptop. So what are my options? Find a W7-iso on the net and re-install it only on the first partition? (i hope i can re-use the product keys that came along with it) And next install 12.2 behind it? As it is not my machine, and still unused out-of-the-box, i'm a bit reluctant to wipe the hdd.. hw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2012-10-21 18:04 (GMT+0200) Hans Witvliet composed:
I got to make a new laptop with W7 dual bootable with 12.2. Normally i would just insert the dvd and let yast shrink the windows stuff, however i wonder if this is possible:
i examined the drive and noticed that all primary partitions are already in use: sda1 200M ntfs 15% sda2 442G ntfs 7% sda3 20G ntfs 90% sda4 4g fat 73% Obviously, no media were supplied with the laptop.
So what are my options?
Use the included tool to create media from the installed system, then wipe, partition, and install sanely. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, Oct 21 12:16:33 PM Felix Miata wrote:
On 2012-10-21 18:04 (GMT+0200) Hans Witvliet composed:
I got to make a new laptop with W7 dual bootable with 12.2. Normally i would just insert the dvd and let yast shrink the windows stuff, however i wonder if this is possible:
i examined the drive and noticed that all primary partitions are already in use: sda1 200M ntfs 15% sda2 442G ntfs 7% sda3 20G ntfs 90% sda4 4g fat 73% Obviously, no media were supplied with the laptop.
So what are my options?
Use the included tool to create media from the installed system, then wipe, partition, and install sanely.
I don't agree. This is the factory partitioning done by the manufacturer. The 3rd & 4th partitions are worrisome - why a small NTFS and an extremely small FAT? This looks suspiciously like a recovery system setup. And a lot of these systems - which are rarely documented - will not permit OS recovery with any changes. If that recovery can't be used, only a retail copy of the OS will work. I'd check with the manufacturer first to see what it is doing. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Dennis Gallien wrote:
If that recovery can't be used, only a retail copy of the OS will work.
The recovery discs can start from a completely blank drive. Otherwise you couldn't replace the drive. The computer should have a utility for creating a set of recovery DVDs and a set may also be available on request from the manufacturer. I got a set for my ThinkPad and a friend got a set, after her disk died. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/21/2012 05:30 PM, James Knott wrote:
Dennis Gallien wrote:
If that recovery can't be used, only a retail copy of the OS will work.
The recovery discs can start from a completely blank drive. Otherwise you couldn't replace the drive. The computer should have a utility for creating a set of recovery DVDs and a set may also be available on request from the manufacturer. I got a set for my ThinkPad and a friend got a set, after her disk died.
Plus, if it's like Sony Viao's Recovery CD's, (4 CD's) they will ALSO load a bunch of CRAP software that you probably don't need - and - there was NO WAY to stop it. You just HAD to go back and delete them later. Speaking from experience (my brother-in-law's before he migrated to Linux) - SIX times rebuild. Beware, Duaine -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding (314) 838-5587 / dahechler@att.net / www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com Home & Business user of Linux - 12 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Duaine Hechler wrote:
Plus, if it's like Sony Viao's Recovery CD's, (4 CD's) they will ALSO load a bunch of CRAP software that you probably don't need - and - there was NO WAY to stop it. You just HAD to go back and delete them later.
In that respect, the recovery discs are no different than the original install. Or by CRAP software were you referring to something other than Windows? ;-) The recovery disks should take you back to the way the computer was originally shipped. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/21/2012 06:34 PM, James Knott wrote:
Duaine Hechler wrote:
Plus, if it's like Sony Viao's Recovery CD's, (4 CD's) they will ALSO load a bunch of CRAP software that you probably don't need - and - there was NO WAY to stop it. You just HAD to go back and delete them later.
In that respect, the recovery discs are no different than the original install. Or by CRAP software were you referring to something other than Windows? ;-)
The recovery disks should take you back to the way the computer was originally shipped.
Yeah, some of the software that was reloaded: MS Money, some sort of high end publishing package, Sony Movie story Software, AOL, and a lot more of Sony's stuff. -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding (314) 838-5587 / dahechler@att.net / www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com Home & Business user of Linux - 12 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2012-10-21 18:15 (GMT-0400) Dennis Gallien composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
On 2012-10-21 18:04 (GMT+0200) Hans Witvliet composed:
I got to make a new laptop with W7 dual bootable with 12.2. Normally i would just insert the dvd and let yast shrink the windows stuff, however i wonder if this is possible:
i examined the drive and noticed that all primary partitions are already in use: sda1 200M ntfs 15% sda2 442G ntfs 7% sda3 20G ntfs 90% sda4 4g fat 73% Obviously, no media were supplied with the laptop.
So what are my options?
Use the included tool to create media from the installed system, then wipe, partition, and install sanely.
I don't agree.
Create media does not necessarily equate to create recovery media that limits recovery to the same belligerent OEM partitioning scheme.
This is the factory partitioning done by the manufacturer. The 3rd & 4th partitions are worrisome - why a small NTFS and an extremely small FAT? This looks suspiciously like a recovery system setup. And a lot of these systems - which are rarely documented - will not permit OS recovery with any changes. If that recovery can't be used, only a retail copy of the OS will work.
You wouldn't be any better worse off than before starting by doing it. At least you'd be ready for when the HD dies by having something with the original OS to install on a new HD.
I'd check with the manufacturer first to see what it is doing.
And if there isn't one already there needs to be a DB somewhere to track manufacturers that create this obstacle to multiboot, enabling prospective buyers to reward those that don't. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Dennis Gallien wrote:
I don't agree. This is the factory partitioning done by the manufacturer. The 3rd & 4th partitions are worrisome - why a small NTFS and an extremely small FAT? This looks suspiciously like a recovery system setup. And a lot of these systems - which are rarely documented - will not permit OS recovery with any changes. If that recovery can't be used, only a retail copy of the OS will work.
I'd suspect the small NTFS is drivers, just like on my ThinkPad. However, I have no idea what that FAT partition is for. Since this is a new system, I'd say create or obtain the recovery disks, then resize the largest NTFS partition to make room for Linux. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Hans Witvliet wrote:
i examined the drive and noticed that all primary partitions are already in use: sda1 200M ntfs 15% sda2 442G ntfs 7% sda3 20G ntfs 90% sda4 4g fat 73% Obviously, no media were supplied with the laptop.
What are all those partitions used for? Generally, you have one for C: and one for restoring your system. Also, you should create the restore DVDs with a utility that's usually included. DVDs might also be available on request. When I installed openSUSE on my ThinkPad, I used the Windows partition resize utility to shrink C: to about 90 GB. The drive is 300 GB and there are 3 NTFS partitions, 1.17 GB for system drivers, 11.72 GB for system recovery and 89.89 GB for C:. After C: was resized, I booted the openSUSE DVD and installed. Worked fine. You would have to shrink that 442 GB partition to install Linux. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2012-10-21 at 12:23 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Hans Witvliet wrote:
i examined the drive and noticed that all primary partitions are already in use: sda1 200M ntfs 15% sda2 442G ntfs 7% sda3 20G ntfs 90% sda4 4g fat 73% Obviously, no media were supplied with the laptop.
What are all those partitions used for? Generally, you have one for C: and one for restoring your system. Also, you should create the restore DVDs with a utility that's usually included. DVDs might also be available on request.
When I installed openSUSE on my ThinkPad, I used the Windows partition resize utility to shrink C: to about 90 GB. The drive is 300 GB and there are 3 NTFS partitions, 1.17 GB for system drivers, 11.72 GB for system recovery and 89.89 GB for C:. After C: was resized, I booted the openSUSE DVD and installed. Worked fine. You would have to shrink that 442 GB partition to install Linux.
Hi James, Felix, Can not tell what the purpose is of all theses partitions. At least, yet. I never booted it under W7. Only from a live-KDE-dvd. Just as a precaution i did a dd of the entire sda towards a usb-disk. Someone gave me that suggestion, so should be able to restore the hdd to "just out of the box", i hope. That took some hours, but i'll guess i've to face "the evil empire" ;-) And see if there is any media-creation tool there,.. fingers crossed! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-10-21 21:16, Hans Witvliet wrote:
That took some hours, but i'll guess i've to face "the evil empire" ;-) And see if there is any media-creation tool there,..
Well, you have to find out what they are, and which one you can delete... you need to delete one primary, shrink the larger one to make space, move the rest, and create an extended partition using the # of the one you deleted. In that space you can create logical partitions for Linux, and if you want, recreate the deleted partition. Partition magic (Windows) can do all that. Several computer makers do this nasty partitioning. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlCEhhQACgkQIvFNjefEBxqpiQCgiNjvFW6y1bLIo8c6j9AN+9Wd wHwAn3O8IKkmLFjIgaZyNrS/ArIqpP8x =Dm6u -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/21/2012 03:16 PM, Hans Witvliet wrote:
On Sun, 2012-10-21 at 12:23 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Hans Witvliet wrote:
i examined the drive and noticed that all primary partitions are already in use: sda1 200M ntfs 15% sda2 442G ntfs 7% sda3 20G ntfs 90% sda4 4g fat 73% Obviously, no media were supplied with the laptop. What are all those partitions used for? Generally, you have one for C: and one for restoring your system. Also, you should create the restore DVDs with a utility that's usually included. DVDs might also be available on request.
/snip/ Has it occurred to you that maybe HO is in cahoots with Microsoft to try and prevent you from loading Linux on the machine???? --doug -- Blessed are the peacekeepers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M. Greeley -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Actually, it has occurred to me. It seems that M$ has done everything possible to keep a second OS from being loaded. That being said, it also seems that when I read about people successfully getting Suse to dual boot, they don't give any details that I find useful, and that is frustrating. Of course that is not Suse's fault either and I recognize that. Jim On 10/21/2012 07:35 PM, Doug wrote:
On 10/21/2012 03:16 PM, Hans Witvliet wrote:
On Sun, 2012-10-21 at 12:23 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Hans Witvliet wrote:
i examined the drive and noticed that all primary partitions are already in use: sda1 200M ntfs 15% sda2 442G ntfs 7% sda3 20G ntfs 90% sda4 4g fat 73% Obviously, no media were supplied with the laptop. What are all those partitions used for? Generally, you have one for C: and one for restoring your system. Also, you should create the restore DVDs with a utility that's usually included. DVDs might also be available on request.
/snip/
Has it occurred to you that maybe HO is in cahoots with Microsoft to try and prevent you from loading Linux on the machine????
--doug
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I don't really know anything about it but rumor has it that Windows 8 ready machines have some kind of bios that is supposed to block loading anything that isn't Windows as a security measure. I mean, one never knows what damage loading something like Linux might do to your computer so they want to protect you. On 10/21/2012 07:52 PM, Jim Sabatke wrote:
Actually, it has occurred to me. It seems that M$ has done everything possible to keep a second OS from being loaded. That being said, it also seems that when I read about people successfully getting Suse to dual boot, they don't give any details that I find useful, and that is frustrating. Of course that is not Suse's fault either and I recognize that.
Jim
On 10/21/2012 07:35 PM, Doug wrote:
On 10/21/2012 03:16 PM, Hans Witvliet wrote:
On Sun, 2012-10-21 at 12:23 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Hans Witvliet wrote:
i examined the drive and noticed that all primary partitions are already in use: sda1 200M ntfs 15% sda2 442G ntfs 7% sda3 20G ntfs 90% sda4 4g fat 73% Obviously, no media were supplied with the laptop. What are all those partitions used for? Generally, you have one for C: and one for restoring your system. Also, you should create the restore DVDs with a utility that's usually included. DVDs might also be available on request.
/snip/
Has it occurred to you that maybe HO is in cahoots with Microsoft to try and prevent you from loading Linux on the machine????
--doug
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Billie Walsh wrote:
I don't really know anything about it but rumor has it that Windows 8 ready machines have some kind of bios that is supposed to block loading anything that isn't Windows as a security measure. I mean, one never knows what damage loading something like Linux might do to your computer so they want to protect you.
That would bethe "secure boot" part UEFI. My ThinkPad has UEFI, but not secure boot, and it hasn't caused any problems. On x86 systems, it's supposed to be possible to bypass it, but ARM systems cannot. There is also a Linux work around that was recently announced. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uefi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2012-10-21 21:06 (GMT-0400) James Knott composed:
Billie Walsh wrote:
I don't really know anything about it but rumor has it that Windows 8 ready machines have some kind of bios that is supposed to block loading anything that isn't Windows as a security measure. I mean, one never knows what damage loading something like Linux might do to your computer so they want to protect you.
That would bethe "secure boot" part UEFI. My ThinkPad has UEFI, but not secure boot, and it hasn't caused any problems. On x86 systems, it's supposed to be possible to bypass it, but ARM systems cannot. There is also a Linux work around that was recently announced.
Moreover, the target market of W8 is tablets, meaning small screens. I installed the beta on a 1920x1080 desktop last spring. The paradigm changes from traditional desktop use are awful. I doubt it's intended to replace W7 except on tablets or other small devices. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
It would appear that on Oct 21, James Knott did say:
Billie Walsh wrote:
I don't really know anything about it but rumor has it that Windows 8 ready machines have some kind of bios that is supposed to block loading anything that isn't Windows as a security measure. I mean, one never knows what damage loading something like Linux might do to your computer so they want to protect you.
James is right. but as I understand it UEFI isn't bios, It's replacing bios. And as much as I for one strongly dislike it. It does actually have a valid reason to exist. Even with the secure boot garbage. At least in the corporate world where the "owners" of the PC's want to protect their systems from their employees. And even Microsoft actually included a method to boot other OS. They simply took great care to design it in such a way as to make it difficult for Linux users. Especially for the little distros who don't have the resources to conform to the new trust model... Most of what I know about it was recently gleaned from a duckduckgo search BTW
That would bethe "secure boot" part UEFI. My ThinkPad has UEFI, but not secure boot, and it hasn't caused any problems. On x86 systems, it's supposed to be possible to bypass it, but ARM systems cannot. There is also a Linux work around that was recently announced.
The trouble is that while Microsoft does permit the OEMs who want to put the windows trademark on their new Win8 PC's to provide a way to turn Secure Boot off, they don't require them to include that feature. It seems that OpenSuSE is one of the leading distros in trying to find a way around this problem... http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/17542.html http://www.pcworld.com/article/260734/suse_linux_outlines_its_plans_for_wind... https://www.suse.com/blogs/uefi-secure-boot-details/ But speaking for myself. In the event that I should buy another "NEW" PC someday, it will most certainly be one where the secure boot can, in fact, be disabled. {I envision tormenting the geek squad desk at Best Buy until they agree to show me how it's done on the specific model I'm buying.} Or better still I'd give preferential considerations to any machines where the manufacturer actually skipped qualifying for the MS logo sticker by shipping at least some models with the secure boot feature disabled by default... But I wouldn't hold my breath while trying to find one of those. -- | ^^^ ^^^ | <o> <o> | ^ JtWdyP | ___ <sigh> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, Oct 21 07:52:07 PM Jim Sabatke wrote:
Actually, it has occurred to me. It seems that M$ has done everything possible to keep a second OS from being loaded. That being said, it also seems that when I read about people successfully getting Suse to dual boot, they don't give any details that I find useful, and that is frustrating. Of course that is not Suse's fault either and I recognize that.
Jim
MS doesn't make this decision, the manufacturer does. The main consideration is expediency. There is no grand conspiracy (at least there wasn't at the oem where I worked). There is a consistent assumption though, which is that the user does not need to/will not ever want to/we don't care even if he does - change the machine. There's no allowance for flexibility because it's presumed, whether the user likes it or not, that the machine will remain as purchased. As I posted prev, the oem develops its own architecture and code for media recovery. I've seen quite a variety of methodologies. The issue is that without reliable documentation on how it's been done, the user can easily lock his/herself out of using the recovery system. And it may have been done in such a way that there is simply no way to change it other than taking over the machine with your own media (which with W$ means getting a retail license). With this machine the likely choice for installing Linux would be reclaimed space from sda2. But the primary problem is probably sda4, which needs to be converted to an extended primary to allow logical partition(s) to be created and therefore the 4GB FAT must be moved into the logical chain. This machine has one of the more egregious recovery setups I've seen. And btw, there are no product keys to re-use. The machine has an oem license. It is not "installable" retail media. The OS is in an image that its recovery just overlays back on a disk, returning it to its exact factory state. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Doug wrote:
Has it occurred to you that maybe HO is in cahoots with Microsoft to try and prevent you from loading Linux on the machine????
Perhaps the best thing to do is boot the computer with a live Linux DVD and see what's in that 4 GB FAT partition. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Hans Witvliet wrote:
i examined the drive and noticed that all primary partitions are already in use:
One thing I notice when reading about UEFI is that it no longer has the 4 primary partition limit, so perhaps that not going to be a problem. Regardless, the first thing you want to do is make or obtain a set of recovery discs, so that you can always restore the computer to factory default. If you're still stuck with 4 primary partitions, then you can delete the restore partition. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
It would appear that on Oct 22, James Knott did say:
Hans Witvliet wrote:
i examined the drive and noticed that all primary partitions are already in use:
One thing I notice when reading about UEFI is that it no longer has the 4 primary partition limit, so perhaps that not going to be a problem.
That, of course, would depend on whether or not Hans' new machine, like your ThinkPad has UEFI or is it a bios machine. I don't think he said.
Regardless, the first thing you want to do is make or obtain a set of recovery discs, so that you can always restore the computer to factory default. If you're still stuck with 4 primary partitions, then you can delete the restore partition.
That sounds reasonable. Though If it were me, just in case, I'd also make a separate, back-up image of whichever partition he, may need to delete {if his machine is in fact bios based}. Then if he makes the first logical partition the same exact size {or at least, not smaller} than the partition he deleted, he should be able to restore the image to the logical partition... Just an idea but since the OP mentioned using dd to make a whole drive image, then I expect he can do the same with a single partition... I've done some reading on doing this with Windows 7 BTW, and for reasons similar to recommending that he use Linux tools to create the new Linux partitions rather than using windows based tools, it's strongly recommended to use the Win 7 supplied "partition format and sizing tool" to actually shrink the "sda2 442G ntfs" partition with. It seems that Win 7 is very touchy about it's partitions. And some slight diff in the resulting shrunk partition may cause Win 7 to become unbootable... 1) So what I'd recommend to Hans is that he 1st determine if his machine uses bios or UEFI. 2) Then if bios, he should make a back up image of whichever partition he is going to delete. (perhaps with dd) (taking careful note of it's size prior to deleting it of course. {And if he does that with the Linux fdisk tool he might want to use the u option to change the unit of measure to the depreciated "cylinders type and print the partition table again and note the number of cylinders used ["end cyl" - "start cyl"] so that he can make really sure that the new replacement partition is not even one byte smaller than the original, before he restores the partition image to it...}) 3)Next, with either bios or UEFI, I'd suggest booting win7 and if possible/practical make that recovery disk. Then while win 7 is running, find and use it's partition sizing tool to shrink the 442 gig partition. I don't know how much room win 7 really needs But I doubt it will need more than a third of the hard drive so maybe I'd shrink it to 142 gig... But that is for Hans to decide ;) Note:if the windows partition shrinking tool doesn't automatically move the 20 gig ntfs and the 4 gig fat partitions next to the newly shrunk partition, I'd also use the windows tool to do that. So that all the free space winds up in one contiguous chunk. Though if the 4gig fat partition is going to be deleted then there is no point wasting time moving it... Now that the big windows partition has been shrunk {using windows tools} I'd suggest using Linux tools for the rest. 4) If bios: delete the backed up partition and create an extended partition with all the freespace. And then create a logical partition of the same size as the deleted one and restore the saved partition image to it. But I wouldn't create the Linux partitions just yet, (unless I strongly preferred to manually manage that part of the process with the particular tool I was already using...) 5) bios or UEFI: Now that there is sufficient unallocated free space available on the drive, I'd boot the installation disk, and look for an option to install Linux to *_free_space_* on the hard drive. I can't remember if OpenSuSE's installer disk has that option, but I'd be surprised if it was missing. And if it's there, it would allow the installer to determine how big a swap partition, and whether or not to create separate /usr or /home partitions etc... But to do it that way Hans will have had to leave the free space in an unallocated state. If he insisted on creating them himself he will need to use a "custom" partitioning option to select which partitions to use, and to select their mount points, and so on. 6) Install and hope for the best. Does anybody see a flaw in that process that I'm forgetting to warn Hans about??? -- | ~^~ ~^~ | <*> <*> | ^ JtWdyP | \___/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Since I came from the mainframe era, I have been saying for years, the best way MS (and others) can stop piracy, like the mainframe, query the CPU serial number (if not available now, make it so) and have an encryption key built off of it. That way of the encryption key does not match, the software does not run. Duaine -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding (314) 838-5587 / dahechler@att.net / www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com Home & Business user of Linux - 12 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Duaine Hechler wrote:
Since I came from the mainframe era, I have been saying for years, the best way MS (and others) can stop piracy, like the mainframe, query the CPU serial number (if not available now, make it so) and have an encryption key built off of it. That way of the encryption key does not match, the software does not run.
How many personal computers have a serial number that can be read by software? On the VAX 11/780, the serial number was configured with shorting jumpers on a block of pins. What about computers with multiple CPUs? A separate license for each? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/22/2012 12:51 PM, James Knott wrote:
Duaine Hechler wrote:
Since I came from the mainframe era, I have been saying for years, the best way MS (and others) can stop piracy, like the mainframe, query the CPU serial number (if not available now, make it so) and have an encryption key built off of it. That way of the encryption key does not match, the software does not run.
How many personal computers have a serial number that can be read by software? On the VAX 11/780, the serial number was configured with shorting jumpers on a block of pins.
What about computers with multiple CPUs? A separate license for each? For multiple CPUs, there was a handler builtin that would read all the serial numbers and generate a "coverall" encryption key..
BTW, yes, it was a logistical nightmare, but it worked. -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding (314) 838-5587 / dahechler@att.net / www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com Home & Business user of Linux - 12 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2012-10-22 19:51, James Knott wrote: IIRC, years ago intel CPUs added some kind of serial number, and reading it could be disabled in the BIOS. There was a lot of talk about this, but I have the details fuzzy. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlCJv6cACgkQja8UbcUWM1x8GAEAnqseWoX2XRJXpd4xzojrGo14 Tj2gr0XladdpoO30IF8A/3t6lXU/wY9W9lFoYirckxZziKMGrzYk3wOdwESHBG2Z =s41m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 12:46:29 -0500
Duaine Hechler
Since I came from the mainframe era, I have been saying for years, the best way MS (and others) can stop piracy, like the mainframe, query the CPU serial number (if not available now, make it so) and have an encryption key built off of it. That way of the encryption key does not match, the software does not run.
Duaine
That's the reason the "Trusted Platform Module" came out? -- Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890) openSUSE 12.2 (x86_64) Kernel 3.4.11-2.16-desktop up 15:22, 4 users, load average: 0.19, 0.16, 0.08 CPU Intel i5 CPU M520@2.40GHz | Intel Arrandale GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
From my last post: The challenge is that your system is already using all 4 primary partitions. I have a friend that recently had to make a dual boot Windows/Linux pc in exactly that same situation. He found a tool that allowed him to convert a
On Monday, October 22, 2012 01:12:05 PM JtWdyP wrote: primary partition into an extended partition, and this freed up the hard drive to be able to create the necessary partitions for installing the Linux OS. I don't know what that tool was, but I have an email out to him and as soon as he gets back to me I will post again here. That way you can simply convert a partition to an extended partition and you won't have to delete your restore partition. Hope you can hold out a little longer until I am able to get that information - I am very pleased with my system and the dual boot capabilities. ---------- I got the email back from my friend and he said that he wasn't sure which tool he used to convert primary to extended. Here is what he said: I just did a search I think for "convert primary partition extended win 7". I think it was this one, http://www.partitionwizard.com/free-partition-manager.html. It was over a year ago and I no longer remember the name of the program. I know it worked, and it was harder than you were thinking. The first primary partition was the windows 7 boot partition. The second was big and was the windows 7 system partition. The 3rd was diagnostics, and the 4th was a recovery partition. I needed to convert the 2 partition to extended and shrink it, all while not breaking windows 7, to make room for 3 logical drives for Linux. I also found this link that might be a better option: http://www.partitionwizard.com/convertpartition/primary-or-extended- partition.html George -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Op 26-10-12 16:58, George Olson schreef:
On Monday, October 22, 2012 01:12:05 PM JtWdyP wrote:
From my last post: The challenge is that your system is already using all 4 primary partitions. I have a friend that recently had to make a dual boot Windows/Linux pc in exactly that same situation. He found a tool that allowed him to convert a primary partition into an extended partition, and this freed up the hard drive to be able to create the necessary partitions for installing the Linux OS.
I don't know what that tool was, but I have an email out to him and as soon as he gets back to me I will post again here. That way you can simply convert a partition to an extended partition and you won't have to delete your restore partition. Hope you can hold out a little longer until I am able to get that information - I am very pleased with my system and the dual boot capabilities.
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I got the email back from my friend and he said that he wasn't sure which tool he used to convert primary to extended. Here is what he said:
I just did a search I think for "convert primary partition extended win 7". I think it was this one, http://www.partitionwizard.com/free-partition-manager.html. It was over a year ago and I no longer remember the name of the program. I know it worked, and it was harder than you were thinking. The first primary partition was the windows 7 boot partition. The second was big and was the windows 7 system partition. The 3rd was diagnostics, and the 4th was a recovery partition. I needed to convert the 2 partition to extended and shrink it, all while not breaking windows 7, to make room for 3 logical drives for Linux.
I also found this link that might be a better option: http://www.partitionwizard.com/convertpartition/primary-or-extended- partition.html
George
This is exactly the problem. If one pre configures a partition in W7, the possibilities to create an extended or logical partition are gone. Because of that, Linux will never recognize that partition as such, and qparted is not able to change that, because it has to be created from a primary partition that is boot-able. Therefore qparted will always suggest to shrink the windows partition, and create an extended partition on that primary partition. From windows marking an empty partition boot-able is not doable. You can say that W7 makes it harder to dual with any Linux distro. I noticed that recently, and what i did was: Throw away the partition i had created for 121, format ntfs, and extended the c partition to cover the complete space i wanted to use for both. Than i waited for the proposal from 121, and tried lvm, which i never used before, with option separate /home. It will create a /boot 150MB, ext4 (was always ext2) /swap 2GB, and suggest / and /home, all ext4 dependable on available space. This was last week. 3 days ago i wanted to install 122. Now i ignored any proposition and imported the partiontable. I used the exact same config, and formatted /121 to use for 122. The mistake i made was to not format /home, i had to to that afterward, because 122, is not backwards compatible with 121. I thought something was not right with122, so created a new user. This user was completely usable, and the new system ran nice and snappy. Than i decided to delete my old user and his /home. Afterward i created the same user again, because i want to use that name. I lost all my data due to an installation error. G-Parted Live was not able to save any of the installs that were on the drive before the 'accident', and also not to create an extended partition. If you have all partitions in use, you will have to use Partition Magic to shrink, move, delete, or create the space you want to use for Linux. Sometimes the most easy thing is to move all data temporary to an external hdd, because it is much easier to start with as little as possible data on the drive you want to partition. Best thing to do is to shrink W7 before you do anything else, than all data is at the beginning of the drive , and you know the room W7 calculates for the space she thinks she will use. Than extend to as many space you want to make extended. All other partitions have to be thrown away best, formatted ntfs, and extended to a big 'c'. Than fire up 122 and look at the proposals, or create whatever you want. 10GB for / is OK. 2GB for /swap is OK, 200MB for /boot is OK. If you want to use many different Linux versions/distro/s, it might be wise to create a separate /temp, to be used/mounted by all distros/version of say 5GB, to be able to download a complete update before installing, but is not necessary, and not at all if more than 4GB Ram is present, and 2GB /swap. A lot of words, i agree, but necessary if you want practical info from a real situation. I always used many distro's and versions on one PC, sometimes more hdd's, but all boot-able and usable. Her on this eee pc 901, i extended the Ram to 2GB (max.) and replaced the 16GB SSD, with 64GB SSD. I always had XP dual two openSUSE versions: 112, 113, 114 and 121, so always a working install, when testing a new version. W7 needs much more room: 30GB instead of 20GB. So now i have only W7 and one oS: first 121, last week, and now 122. W7 installed alright, and i was able to install the acpi drivers with the backwards compatibility option, (troubleshoot in control panel), also the Fn Function keys were made completely functional that way. This hardware is up to W7 for sure. (Please just ignore not relevant info..) Kind Regards, -- Have a nice day, Oddball. OS: Linux 3.7.0-rc2-1-desktop i686 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@EeePc-Rob-SFN9 Systeem: openSUSE 12.2 (i586) KDE: 4.8.5 (4.8.5) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Oddball wrote:
If you have all partitions in use, you will have to use Partition Magic to shrink, move, delete, or create the space you want to use for Linux.
With my ThinkPad, I used the Windows tool to shrink the C: partition, but not create another partition in the free space. I then booted the openSUSE DVD to make the desired partitions in that free space. However, my computer had only 3 partions as originally configured. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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You can say that W7 makes it harder to dual with any Linux distro.
Not in my experience. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlCK8NcACgkQja8UbcUWM1yPEwD9ERJNkG3bSeoXOYuNDZ5Cgv+C 5kPNR/GM2Lx5Z6TtIEwA/RlXmkeNuxB7m2o4ZvRL9l9kjCjX0+uWYTnMaAZ7jMMq =hD5K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Op 26-10-12 22:21, Carlos E. R. schreef:
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On 2012-10-25 20:28, Oddball wrote:
You can say that W7 makes it harder to dual with any Linux distro. Not in my experience.
This sentence was poorly stated, i agree. What i meant was that it is not as easy to accomplish as with its predecessors. Ofcourse, when one knows what to do, everything becomes easy... When it is configured properly, it works just fine as with the other versions.
- -- Cheers / Saludos,
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2012-10-26 12:06, Oddball wrote:
Op 26-10-12 22:21, Carlos E. R. schreef: On 2012-10-25 20:28, Oddball wrote:
You can say that W7 makes it harder to dual with any Linux distro. Not in my experience.
This sentence was poorly stated, i agree. What i meant was that it is not as easy to accomplish as with its predecessors. Ofcourse, when one knows what to do, everything becomes easy... When it is configured properly, it works just fine as with the other versions.
It is simple enough provided that the person or business that installed the machine first with Windows did it with multiboot in mind. If they use the 4 primaries, then it is quite difficult - but that is not the fault of Windows 7. It is easier if they also left free unpartitioned space, but again, that is the fault of the installer. W7, for example, has a good utility to shrink a partition even while it is in use. Of course, it has to be done early, or it will be impossible to shrink by a fair amount. W7 has a multibooter that is capable of booting Linux. It can be configured to use UTC in the CMOS... I find it easier than its predecessors. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlCN2A0ACgkQja8UbcUWM1zybAEAgYB27I2P/vyTqv8IzNQXdk6C S5IOfgurhsb0dW+AD9wBAIfV/B6h0kj0/SzaZdiGcbItUdTaEQBrYAaSoQNSXkPS =bWIH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Op 29-10-12 02:12, Carlos E. R. schreef:
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W7 has a multibooter that is capable of booting Linux. It can be configured to use UTC in the CMOS... I find it easier than its predecessors.
- -- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith))
I was not aware about that. So buying openSUSE was not all bad... So you use their multibooter instead of grub(2), or only if you install after Linux? -- Have a nice day, Oddball. OS: Linux 3.7.0-rc2-1-desktop i686 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@EeePc-Rob-SFN9 Systeem: openSUSE 12.2 (i586) KDE: 4.8.5 (4.8.5) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2012-10-29 08:28, Oddball wrote:
I was not aware about that. So buying openSUSE was not all bad... So you use their multibooter instead of grub(2), or only if you install after Linux?
In this laptop I use grub. In a computer I set up for other people I used Windows booter, because Windows is their principal os and this way service packs do not complain. Grub has to be installed anyway, but away in a partition, not in MBR. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlCOYZMACgkQja8UbcUWM1xNEAD/SdigrTmrAz23VOLIxoPmcLsZ oeoGeAdBIk4BZtowq+0A/2onkfUtTjKHKhpszETocbgPYTW6hil61qJOq5W3lBQl =l4Bf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Oct 29 11:59:31 AM Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2012-10-29 08:28, Oddball wrote:
I was not aware about that. So buying openSUSE was not all bad... So you use their multibooter instead of grub(2), or only if you install after Linux?
In this laptop I use grub. In a computer I set up for other people I used Windows booter, because Windows is their principal os and this way service packs do not complain. Grub has to be installed anyway, but away in a partition, not in MBR.
And the Windows boot manager can handle logical partitions now, too (actually, since Vista). It still uses the DOS-based MBR code looking for a primary partition where its boot database must reside, but the OS/boot manager (the equiv to grub's stage2) can be on another/any partition. IMO the downside is MS very arcane and unfriendly setup/config tools, which is why I used Neosmart's free EasyBCD. I don't do this for my own machines, but I do recommend it for users for whom Windows is their primary OS. Weird or unfriendly partition setups are not due to anything in Windows in particular, these are decisions made by the hardware oem. And taking all 4 primaries is one of the worst examples. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2012-10-29 16:09, Dennis Gallien wrote:
On Mon, Oct 29 11:59:31 AM Carlos E. R. wrote:
And the Windows boot manager can handle logical partitions now, too (actually, since Vista). It still uses the DOS-based MBR code looking for a primary partition where its boot database must reside, but the OS/boot manager (the equiv to grub's stage2) can be on another/any partition. IMO the downside is MS very arcane and unfriendly setup/config tools, which is why I used Neosmart's free EasyBCD. I don't do this for my own machines, but I do recommend it for users for whom Windows is their primary OS.
Yes, that's my case too. 2008 in a logical partition, Linux in another... and had to use third party easybcd.
Weird or unfriendly partition setups are not due to anything in Windows in particular, these are decisions made by the hardware oem. And taking all 4 primaries is one of the worst examples.
Absolutely. Soon it will be a thing of the past, with GPT and UEFI, though. But meanwhile it will be a suffering till those two things work nicely. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlCOwlYACgkQja8UbcUWM1wx7wD/VRhVZ4T5BBBQFoO7Cywte2HT 9MkxEdXA2ONezI3/70kA+QHdBWq9gP+Jpc/OX9Zg2hc23uTVF/uFkZvZlK9YrCRH =H3tx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Dennis Gallien wrote:
Weird or unfriendly partition setups are not due to anything in Windows in particular, these are decisions made by the hardware oem. And taking all 4 primaries is one of the worst examples.
Do UEFI systems still have a 4 primary partition limit? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2012-10-30 02:41, James Knott wrote:
Dennis Gallien wrote:
Weird or unfriendly partition setups are not due to anything in Windows in particular, these are decisions made by the hardware oem. And taking all 4 primaries is one of the worst examples.
Do UEFI systems still have a 4 primary partition limit?
No, they allow a hundred or two. The wikipedia explains it. Ooops. Correction: not UEFI, but GPT. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlCPNukACgkQja8UbcUWM1z6QgD9FCTThzhDw0qpvjyK8yaM+fLH lWKBzt0nuNrfiPtg/t8A/2V7KCFQnsDUbG0J+LJINS7q6LIe52ZAo4VGRR6ibG0N =tA6b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Op 29-10-12 11:59, Carlos E. R. schreef:
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On 2012-10-29 08:28, Oddball wrote:
I was not aware about that. So buying openSUSE was not all bad... So you use their multibooter instead of grub(2), or only if you install after Linux? In this laptop I use grub. In a computer I set up for other people I used Windows booter, because Windows is their principal os and this way service packs do not complain. Grub has to be installed anyway, but away in a partition, not in MBR.
- -- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith))
The service packs complain when W7 is not the main install? And when grub is the bootloader? I did not know that either. I have service pack1 installed, but i cannot remember if 121 was already on it at that time, i installed them shortly behind one another. As soon as i got W7 working complete with XP acpi drivers and the Function keys, i installed 121. -- Have a nice day, Oddball. OS: Linux 3.7.0-rc2-1-desktop i686 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@EeePc-Rob-SFN9 Systeem: openSUSE 12.2 (i586) KDE: 4.8.5 (4.8.5) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2012-10-29 19:09, Oddball wrote:
Op 29-10-12 11:59, Carlos E. R. schreef:
The service packs complain when W7 is not the main install? And when grub is the bootloader?
No, it complains when the MBR is not the standard one for Windows and the Windows partition is not active. Ie, when it sees changes it doesn't understand. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlCPKuwACgkQja8UbcUWM1yAOgD/Y1QVFZuVZJG9ji/9+bcn/jq6 eeqok9tiD+LU5dWxXwQA/3SO20+Ci6MRK+SvIaDXKy0KmNZZiY7YUGXR4kAYiSxQ =PEYx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Oddball wrote:
The service packs complain when W7 is not the main install? And when grub is the bootloader?
I've never had that issue. I shrunk the C: parition, installed openSUSE and use Grub to select OS. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2012-10-30 02:42, James Knott wrote:
Oddball wrote:
The service packs complain when W7 is not the main install? And when grub is the bootloader?
I've never had that issue. I shrunk the C: parition, installed openSUSE and use Grub to select OS.
Different issue. Depending on how you install grub, when W7 wants to install service pack #1 it breaks. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlCPN0IACgkQja8UbcUWM1yWwQD/RaLIpCg1IqltIBdVXtcjAi0v TspLaak8GnpAy4cV0qcA/jXsaLXwnBVr810YdGpAoKjqiRW/3wXEWDtxXpBGhGRp =B1xx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Op 30-10-12 03:11, Carlos E. R. schreef:
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On 2012-10-30 02:42, James Knott wrote:
Oddball wrote:
The service packs complain when W7 is not the main install? And when grub is the bootloader? I've never had that issue. I shrunk the C: parition, installed openSUSE and use Grub to select OS. Different issue. Depending on how you install grub, when W7 wants to install service pack #1 it breaks.
- -- Cheers / Saludos,
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Op 30-10-12 02:42, James Knott schreef:
Oddball wrote:
The service packs complain when W7 is not the main install? And when grub is the bootloader?
I've never had that issue. I shrunk the C: parition, installed openSUSE and use Grub to select OS.
I never had it with windows, but with Norton Ghost i had it: That explicitly does not work with grub. With windows bootloader it does. But it could not handle changes in size of a partition, so it was not for me. -- Have a nice day, Oddball. OS: Linux 3.7.0-rc2-1-desktop i686 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@EeePc-Rob-SFN9 Systeem: openSUSE 12.2 (i586) KDE: 4.8.5 (4.8.5) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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