On 05/02/2013 11:03 AM, Marcus Meissner wrote:

On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 05:42:01PM +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 02/05/13 16:53, ellanios82 wrote:

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Hello List

" Computing distribution upgrade...

The following NEW package is going to be installed: kernel-desktop

1 new package to install. Overall download size: 39.3 MiB. After the operation, additional 117.6 MiB will be used. Continue? [y/n/?] (y): y (1/1) Installing: kernel-desktop-3.8.9-5.1 ................................<100%>[\] "

- at this point zypper freezes : gets stuck, and does not install the new kernel in grub boot menu .........................

- any ideas please as to where the process might be getting stuck ?

thanks best regards

I have stopped using zypper after a number of what I would consider strange behaviours. For example, it would "tell" me that there were no updates to be done even though I knew that, say, a new kernel was available - which I knew from doing updates on my wife's computer.

So I now use YaST>Package>All Packages>Update if Newer Packages are available. Works everytime.

I have got to this point in YaST but did not go ahead with actually doing the updates, exited YaST and went to zypper only to find that zypper showed that there was nothing to do; but YaST showed that there was a "ton" of updates to be done. Did you use "zypper patch" or "zypper up"?

............... - used " zypper dup " [tumbleweed] .............. best regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 05/02/2013 10:42 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

On 02/05/13 16:53, ellanios82 wrote:

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Hello List

" Computing distribution upgrade...

The following NEW package is going to be installed: kernel-desktop

1 new package to install. Overall download size: 39.3 MiB. After the operation, additional 117.6 MiB will be used. Continue? [y/n/?] (y): y (1/1) Installing: kernel-desktop-3.8.9-5.1 ................................<100%>[\] "

- at this point zypper freezes : gets stuck, and does not install the new kernel in grub boot menu .........................

- any ideas please as to where the process might be getting stuck ?

thanks best regards

I have stopped using zypper after a number of what I would consider strange behaviours. For example, it would "tell" me that there were no updates to be done even though I knew that, say, a new kernel was available - which I knew from doing updates on my wife's computer.

So I now use YaST>Package>All Packages>Update if Newer Packages are available. Works everytime.

I have got to this point in YaST but did not go ahead with actually doing the updates, exited YaST and went to zypper only to find that zypper showed that there was nothing to do; but YaST showed that there was a "ton" of updates to be done.

- thank you so much : will do likewise : " YaST>Package>All Packages>Update if Newer Packages are available. " ............ best regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 02/05/13 22:40, Anton Aylward wrote:

Basil Chupin said the following on 05/02/2013 03:42 AM:

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I have stopped using zypper after a number of what I would consider strange behaviours. For example, it would "tell" me that there were no updates to be done even though I knew that, say, a new kernel was available - which I knew from doing updates on my wife's computer.

So I now use YaST>Package>All Packages>Update if Newer Packages are available. Works everytime.

I have got to this point in YaST but did not go ahead with actually doing the updates, exited YaST and went to zypper only to find that zypper showed that there was nothing to do; but YaST showed that there was a "ton" of updates to be done. I just tried that and found there were hundreds of updates.

So I stepped through the ones I used most and what did I find.

They weren't updates; the revision it wanted to install was the same revision I already had installed.

Hey! Surely that list would show in one column the new revisions in blue along side the old in black? There was none of that!

It would help terribly if you told us what the heck you are talking about: is it zypper or YaST?! :-D

My opinion: zypper was telling me the right stuff and yeast was wrong.

Ah, so you think that it is zypper which is "telling" you the truth? Well, from my experience in recent times - this did not happen until I would consider the beginning of this year - was that I trusted zypper. Every morning I would do "zypper refresh" and then do "zypper up" and found that zypper's response was "Nothing to do". For whatever reason I decided to go into YaST and do the "Package" rumba and found that there were some dozens of updates to be done! And then, on my wife's computer which is still running 12.2 - as "She who must be obeyed" doesn't want me (yet) to upgrade her system to 12.3 - I also use the kernel:stable:stable repo with the same Priority set and I found that when I went to update her system with "zypper up" it would come up with the latest kernel and would then install it. Doing the same a few minutes later on my 12.3 system I would get "Nothing to do" from zypper. But going to YaST I got the kernel updated. So now I stick with YaST, thank you. BTW, I posted on 30 March about a problem with zypper under the humorous Subject of "We finally reached Windows standards :-) " where zypper came up with the "press any key to continue or press any key to abort" crap when I went a few times to update the kernel (at the time when I still believed in zypper being god). I ran YaST at that point and it updated the kernel with no nonsensical nonsense. Now, your reply does not mention which version of oS you are running: 12.2 or 12.3. I am running 12.3, so what are you running? BC -- Using openSUSE 12.3 x86_64 KDE 4.10.2 & kernel 3.9.0-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 03/05/13 00:35, Greg Freemyer wrote:

On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote:

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And then, on my wife's computer which is still running 12.2 - as "She who must be obeyed" doesn't want me (yet) to upgrade her system to 12.3 - I also use the kernel:stable:stable repo with the same Priority set and I found that when I went to update her system with "zypper up" it would come up with the latest kernel and would then install it. Doing the same a few minutes later on my 12.3 system I would get "Nothing to do" from zypper. But going to YaST I got the kernel updated. So now I stick with YaST, thank you. With secondary repos in the mix it is easy to get confused as to what is right.

Zypper up should never update a package currently installed from the main repos to a package in a add-on repo.

Once you force it to the use the add-on repo, zypper up should never switch you back.

You can get zypper to switch repos like that, but I will often use yast if I want to see what's available in various repos, then install the one of my choice.

To begin with, I have no idea of what you mean by, "You can get zypper to switch repos like that," and saying this I, therefore, have never - at least knowingly - used this option (whatever it may be). At no time since I started, years ago, using SuSE/openSUSE have not ever used anything but YaST to select and make active repos. I may add repos or enable/disable or alter their status in YaST but have *NEVER* used zypper to do so. Just to continue with what I stated in my original post (which you quote above): * on my 12.3 installation of oS, over the past few days (as an example) I have run both 'YaST>packages etc' and 'zypper refresh/up' and found that both agreed with what had to be updated *EXCEPT* that today zypper 'told' me that 7 packages have to be updated while YaST 'told' me that there were 8. Why the difference? [I chose YaST]; and, more importantly * I also have a copy of 12.2 installed. = A couple of days ago I had the kernel upgraded from 3.9.0-1 to 3.9.1-1 on oS 12.3 and this morning I decided that it was time to do some updates to the 12.2 system after not doing any for some time. = I start 'zypper refresh/up' and it shows me that XXX number of files will be updated - but *NOT* the kernel! = So I go into YaST and do the 'packages'-routine and guess what? YaST shows that the kernel will be upgraded from 3.9.0-1 to 3.9.1-1. But zypper did not. Why not? BC -- Using openSUSE 12.3 x86_64 KDE 4.10.3 & kernel 3.9.1-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 03/05/13 07:52, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> [05-02-13 10:24]: [...]

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Ah, so you think that it is zypper which is "telling" you the truth? Zypper *is* telling you the truth, but *you* must understand what you *actually* asked of zypper and apparently it is not what you think.

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Well, from my experience in recent times - this did not happen until I would consider the beginning of this year - was that I trusted zypper. Every morning I would do "zypper refresh" and then do "zypper up" and found that zypper's response was "Nothing to do". [...]

"zypper up" does not change repos's and will not upgrade *anything* that is not in the repo the installed program version is in, unless you have changed it in zypp.conf. "zypper dup" will show you *all* possible upgrades reguardless of the repo, providing the repos have the same priorities.

"Understanding" is the *key* to your dilemma :^)

man zypper.

See my reply to Greg (posted a minute or so ago). BC -- Using openSUSE 12.3 x86_64 KDE 4.10.3 & kernel 3.9.1-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org