Re: [opensuse] Re: HI-JACKED THREAD, was: dictionary attacks / [$HOME NFS-mounted]
* Clayton <smaug42@gmail.com> [07-18-07 03:15]:
Then change your mail client. The gmail webmail is broken in this respect (and others).
Ummmm.. I use GMail and I see all the threads. They are called "Conversations" in GMail speak, but they are the same thing.
No, gmail threads on the "Subject:" line and knows nothing about "Message-ID:"s or "In-Reply-To:" headers and thus, does not do proper threading.
The only thing that GMail does poorly
one of the things GMail does poorly.....
is it doesn't handle mailing lists nicely... so you have to remember to "fix" the To: address whenever you reply to a message.
But it does reduce spam respectably :^) -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
No, gmail threads on the "Subject:" line and knows nothing about "Message-ID:"s or "In-Reply-To:" headers and thus, does not do proper threading.
OK, I'll give you that one :-) But I have to say that 99% of the time, I have no issues with "threading" in GMail. It groups almost all threads properly... even if it is grouping on subject.
But it does reduce spam respectably :^)
Definitely... which is one of the major reasons I use it on mailing lists. I rarely see spam filtered incorrectly with GMail. I wish I could get results this good on my main email account. There I use SpamAssassin (also used Bogofilter for a while) in KMail which catches a good portion of the spam, but definitely not with the accuracy and reliability of the GMail filter. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2007-07-18 at 15:09 +0200, Clayton wrote:
No, gmail threads on the "Subject:" line and knows nothing about "Message-ID:"s or "In-Reply-To:" headers and thus, does not do proper threading.
OK, I'll give you that one :-) But I have to say that 99% of the time, I have no issues with "threading" in GMail. It groups almost all threads properly... even if it is grouping on subject.
I always get problems with gmail webmail, because it sorts conversations incorrectly. For instance, someone changes the subject, and it breaks.
But it does reduce spam respectably :^)
Definitely... which is one of the major reasons I use it on mailing lists. I rarely see spam filtered incorrectly with GMail. I wish I could get results this good on my main email account. There I use SpamAssassin (also used Bogofilter for a while) in KMail which catches a good portion of the spam, but definitely not with the accuracy and reliability of the GMail filter.
Every time I look there I find list mail clasified as spam, needing to be manually unclasified. My SpamAssassin never clasifies list mail incorrectly. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGnmkItTMYHG2NR9URAo4QAJ43GPamQQ7ZnjumkLIEt1WXdSaeOgCcC2iz 66ch9/hsW0hP/lvUc8/5WJI= =Mr9L -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I always get problems with gmail webmail, because it sorts conversations incorrectly. For instance, someone changes the subject, and it breaks.
Mmm ya it can do that... I use GMail mainly for the openSUSE mailing lists, and generally speaking I can't think of many times that this happens.
Every time I look there I find list mail clasified as spam, needing to be manually unclasified.
My SpamAssassin never clasifies list mail incorrectly.
That is really strange because That rarely ever happens to me. When I clean out the spam bucket, I rarely find list mail in there.. maybe one every 3 or 4 months at most. You would think that this hit/miss rate should be the same for everyone since the config isn't different between users.. or is it? How do you configure or train your SpamAssassin in Linux? I take the default route by enabling it in KMail and then pushing a whack of spam through the filter... it kind of works, but I still get 5 to 10 emails per day arrive in my inbox that are clearly spam, and should be caught by the spam filter (oddly they don't appear any different than other emails the filter caught in the same day)... this is out of 3 or 400 spam per week. not a high volume compared to some people. I haven't really looked deeper into SpamAssassin.... maybe I should... especially if I can adjust it to get a better hit rate. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-07-19 at 08:55 +0200, Clayton wrote:
I always get problems with gmail webmail, because it sorts conversations incorrectly. For instance, someone changes the subject, and it breaks.
Mmm ya it can do that... I use GMail mainly for the openSUSE mailing lists, and generally speaking I can't think of many times that this happens.
Perhaps because I compare how I see the treads in Pine and how I see them in gmail.
Every time I look there I find list mail clasified as spam, needing to be manually unclasified.
My SpamAssassin never clasifies list mail incorrectly.
That is really strange because That rarely ever happens to me. When I clean out the spam bucket, I rarely find list mail in there.. maybe one every 3 or 4 months at most. You would think that this hit/miss rate should be the same for everyone since the config isn't different between users.. or is it?
It must be the spam training that differs. Today I looked and the spam folder did not contain list email, but it did have two incorrect mails in there.
How do you configure or train your SpamAssassin in Linux? I take the default route by enabling it in KMail and then pushing a whack of spam through the filter... it kind of works, but I still get 5 to 10 emails per day arrive in my inbox that are clearly spam, and should be caught by the spam filter (oddly they don't appear any different than other emails the filter caught in the same day)... this is out of 3 or 400 spam per week. not a high volume compared to some people. I haven't really looked deeper into SpamAssassin.... maybe I should... especially if I can adjust it to get a better hit rate.
I configure it manually (fetchmail, postfix, procmail, spamd...). I train it now and then with thousands of emails from my folders (both good and spam). I even write some rules for SA. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGn+6DtTMYHG2NR9URAiyUAJ48w9MwEcgF3o0LmQtfrLeKDRFsMQCgjNEz H3qbTAaf/a8r3Bc4cbnzWIk= =+XeM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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