Re: [SLE] SuSE 8.2 -- What is the best file system?
Hi Charles/List,
No problem, don't forget to checkout my other post- there are two >more links there that I forgot.
Ok, I will.
So, is ext3/ext2 the standard file system for GNU/linux?
ext2 was the standard, but now-a-days the default FS is dependent on >the preference of your distro. For example SuSE defaults to ReiserFS and >SuSE, ReiserFS.
You are correct. I think SuSE has used reiser FS as its default almost since SuSE's inception as a linux distro.
If so, why spend so much time developing other kinds of filesystems like Reiser FS, XFS, JFS? A file system is critical to any operating system and I think it would be much better if everyone could just focus their efforts on improving one file system.
This "multiplicity" approach hurts linux as a whole.
It is a double edged sword, To some people it is confusing, but to >others, like myself, it is freedom.
Ah. Freedom to choose.
Linux software as a whole should not compete against other linux software but should compete against other OS's software.
Look at it another way- The competition between projects is actually >quite healthy and promotes better software. This is basic Darwinism 101.
What is the competition between two linux products that abide by the GPL? Should there be competition here? Usually there are features in one that lack in the other and vice-versa. If there was only 1 choice this would not be the case. If a project dies in this scenerio, I think that is caused by lack of interest in the "head" developer and that person just wants to get out for one reason or another. I don't think that one GPL program can drive another GPL program out of business. :-) ~~Nick _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On April 13, 2003 03:48 pm, Nicholas Parsons wrote: Hello Nicholas:
You are correct. I think SuSE has used reiser FS as its default almost since SuSE's inception as a linux distro.
Not really, journaling FS's are a recent development in Linux. SuSE, IIRC, start their business in 1993(?). At that time the default FS was ext2. SuSE first started by translating Slackware into German and selling it. Later they developed their own distro based on an older distro called Jurix.
Ah. Freedom to choose.
Yes, this is one of the reasons why I switched to Linux.
What is the competition between two linux products that abide by the GPL?
Technical merits. Free Software and Open Source developers usually have petty big ego ;-).
Usually there are features in one that lack in the other and vice-versa.
Yes, and they will "steal" the good ideas and/or code from each other.
If there was only 1 choice this would not be the case.
No, you just would know about the features of "the other" program that does not exist.
If a project dies in this scenerio, I think that is caused by lack of interest in the "head" developer and that person just wants to get out for one reason or another.
It might not die in the conventional sense, but if no one is using it, it is as good as dead.
I don't think that one GPL program can drive another GPL program out of business. :-)
No, it can't but if the program have no users and/or if the developers are bored- it will die. Once you have been around longer you will notice that projects come and go all the time- the best ones will survive. Charles - -- "Linux, because up-time matters gawk; talk; date; wine; grep; touch; unzip; touch; gasp; finger; gasp; mount;\ fsck; more; yes; gasp; umount; make clean; make mrproper; sleep." - --Drunken Bastard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD4DBQE+mc6Q3epPyyKbwPYRAu+uAJoCAmEFbq+kl/xskTIQ+PxJRZhmIgCXRndj 1PUKnEkz7QfbLm8C1caZKw== =vsiA -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
* Charles Philip Chan (cpchan@sympatico.ca) [030413 13:58]: ->-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ->Hash: SHA1 -> ->On April 13, 2003 03:48 pm, Nicholas Parsons wrote: -> ->Hello Nicholas: -> ->> You are correct. I think SuSE has used reiser FS as its default ->> almost since SuSE's inception as a linux distro. -> ->Not really, journaling FS's are a recent development in Linux. SuSE, IIRC, ->start their business in 1993(?). At that time the default FS was ext2. -> ->SuSE first started by translating Slackware into German and selling it. Later ->they developed their own distro based on an older distro called Jurix. If I'm not mistaken and anyone from SuSE can correct me...but I was under the impression that SuSE was built from SLS Linux and it predates Slackware by a year. Since SuSE's 10th anniversary was 2002 and Slackware was released in April 1993 (per their site). SuSE just didn't make it to the states until Slackware was popular so it's thought by some to come after Slackware or to be based on it. -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I'll tell you what you should see.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On April 13, 2003 05:04 pm, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
If I'm not mistaken and anyone from SuSE can correct me...but I was under the impression that SuSE was built from SLS Linux and it predates Slackware by a year.
I have read from a few sources that the distro was Jurix. The rest of the history, I got from here: http://lwn.net/1998/0205/suse.html Charles - -- "Linux, because up-time matters gawk; talk; date; wine; grep; touch; unzip; touch; gasp; finger; gasp; mount;\ fsck; more; yes; gasp; umount; make clean; make mrproper; sleep." - --Drunken Bastard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+mdOc3epPyyKbwPYRApLbAKDbnUN3HtlJJiLmiSKePs5HstAhHQCgtcG5 9lLgYtVUzvq38Q5Qy1d6XbE= =oWwX -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
What is the competition between two linux products that abide by the GPL? Should there be competition here? Usually there are features in one that lack in the other and vice-versa. If there was only 1 choice this would not be the case.
I think you are supposing that one project could be the best for all cases. This is not what is going to happen. What if only Kde3 exists? How do I use X on my 486?
If a project dies in this scenerio, I think that is caused by lack of interest in the "head" developer and that person just wants to get out for one reason or another. I don't think that one GPL program can drive another GPL program out of business. :-)
Yes, it impossible to get a GPL program out of business, but it is possible to make it silently die. Or to make it loudly improve (and it is the most common case). Praise
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Yes, it impossible to get a GPL program out of business, but it is possible to make it silently die. Or to make it loudly improve (and it is the most common case). Jim Gettys from Digital/Compaq/HP was giving talks a few years ago talking about the birth, death and rebirth of the X Window System. Jim also sits on the board for both KDE and GNOME.
Competition is good for open software as it is for commercial software.
Both KDE and GNOME are better today partially because they have to
compete against themselves as well as Windoz. And, one thing we in the
Linux community like is to have alternatives. If I get sick of my KDE
desktop, I can always configure GNOME or go to one of the other window
managers available.
--
Jerry Feldman
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