Re: [SLE] Samba HOWTO
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 [I suppose you forgot to send to the list. I have also removed the spam header, just in case] OldSubject : Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO El 2004-11-23 a las 09:16 -0500, James Knott escribió:
I also see that header, but in emails that are answers to James messages - actually, twice this month. And I know it is not my provider, they don't have that service, unless I pay extra.
Could the header be generated at SuSE?
If it was, I'd see it on my messages, as they're posted on the list.
Do the message headers offer any clues?
I'm not clear on that, I mean, I'm not sure. I can't analyze if it is SuSE, because the spamassassin headers that SuSE puts there are removed by my local spamassassin run. But have a look at "http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2004-Nov/". There is at least one message with the *spam* subject line, and the one in question is missing from the archive (our answers are shown, but not the fist message). That is suspicious. * [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] VPN client under 9.2 Brad Bourn (Thu Nov 18 2004 - 21:18:28 CET) * [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO James Knott (Mon Nov 22 2004 - 18:42:44 CET) * Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO Carlos E. R. (Tue Nov 23 2004 - 05:07:42 CET) * Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO Brad Bourn (Tue Nov 23 2004 - 17:39:05 CET) * Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO James Knott (Tue Nov 23 2004 - 18:12:53 CET) * Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO James Knott (Tue Nov 23 2004 - 18:28:11 CET) * Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO Brad Bourn (Tue Nov 23 2004 - 18:40:40 CET) * Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO James Knott (Tue Nov 23 2004 - 18:43:02 CET) * [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO James Knott (Tue Nov 23 2004 - 18:12:24 CET) On the other hand, on that same link, the very first few messages are spam - I don't understand how those reach the list, I don't see them; however, it could be that my local spamassassin is trained, and suse's is not: * Dylan are you all set? Helena Hunt (Thu Jan 01 1970 - 00:59:59 CET) Mmm, no, that message is not in my local spam folder. Funny! And now, I'll have to pgp sign this message to reduce the risk of this message being filtered out ;-) - -- Saludos Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFBo8cftTMYHG2NR9URAspOAJ4hkhuoxuIUfIO7koJf4B9TlElTDACfQpQy QSr1CiQr+F3y/PjT2QVBKuk= =LafP -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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[I suppose you forgot to send to the list. I have also removed the spam header, just in case]
OldSubject : Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO
El 2004-11-23 a las 09:16 -0500, James Knott escribió:
I also see that header, but in emails that are answers to James messages - actually, twice this month. And I know it is not my provider, they don't have that service, unless I pay extra.
Could the header be generated at SuSE?
If it was, I'd see it on my messages, as they're posted on the list.
Do the message headers offer any clues?
I'm not clear on that, I mean, I'm not sure. I can't analyze if it is SuSE, because the spamassassin headers that SuSE puts there are removed by my local spamassassin run.
But have a look at "http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2004-Nov/". There is at least one message with the *spam* subject line, and the one in question is missing from the archive (our answers are shown, but not the fist message). That is suspicious.
* [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] VPN client under 9.2 Brad Bourn (Thu Nov 18 2004 - 21:18:28 CET)
* [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO James Knott (Mon Nov 22 2004 - 18:42:44 CET) * Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO Carlos E. R. (Tue Nov 23 2004 - 05:07:42 CET) * Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO Brad Bourn (Tue Nov 23 2004 - 17:39:05 CET) * Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO James Knott (Tue Nov 23 2004 - 18:12:53 CET) * Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO James Knott (Tue Nov 23 2004 - 18:28:11 CET) * Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO Brad Bourn (Tue Nov 23 2004 - 18:40:40 CET) * Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO James Knott (Tue Nov 23 2004 - 18:43:02 CET)
* [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO James Knott (Tue Nov 23 2004 - 18:12:24 CET)
On the other hand, on that same link, the very first few messages are spam - I don't understand how those reach the list, I don't see them; however, it could be that my local spamassassin is trained, and suse's is not:
I believe those messages are ones where we're discussing the problem. If SuSE was adding that, I would see it on messages I post, but I don't. Someone else mentioned that spamassassin is the culprit.
Hi Carlos,
"Carlos E. R."
[I suppose you forgot to send to the list. I have also removed the spam header, just in case]
OldSubject : Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO
Which should have been written as Re: [SLE] Samba HOWTO (was: Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO) in order to avoid miss-threading for some clients.
But have a look at "http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2004-Nov/". There is at least one message with the *spam* subject line, and the one in question is missing from the archive (our answers are shown, but not the fist message). That is suspicious.
I did have a look at the mbox on my homepage started on 7.11.2004. I count 11 messages on this list since then Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] VPN client under 9.2 All of these messages were sent either by Don Paris, Carlos E.R. or Brad Bourn. I subscribe to your point of view with the one spam-message, but it could be, that messages reach the archive first before they are sent back to subcribers. This may leads into having spam in the HTML-archive, but not being send via eMail. bis dahin - kind regards Martin Mewes -- Member of the Webmin Translation Team http://www.webmin.com/ http://webmin.mamemu.de/ Debian, SuSE, Securityfocus and Webmin - Mailinglist mboxes http://www.mewes.tv/mbox/
All of these messages were sent either by Don Paris, Carlos E.R. or Brad Bourn. I subscribe to your point of view with the one spam-message, but it could be, that messages reach the archive first before they are sent back to subcribers.
If you sort the archive alphabetically you can see that there are *lots* of spam posts that never make it to the list. I have to say that given the mail volume and the number of subscribers, SuSE does a great job of keeping spam off the list. I have occasionally seen the Spamassassin subject line on list mail but I've always assumed it was my spamd daemon that was assigning it. If I were to reply to any of those mails it would keep ***SPAM*** in the subject line unless I manually removed it. Jeff
Hi Jeffrey,
Jeffrey Laramie
If you sort the archive alphabetically you can see that there are *lots* of spam posts that never make it to the list. I have to say that given the mail volume and the number of subscribers, SuSE does a great job of keeping spam off the list. I have occasionally seen the Spamassassin subject line on list mail but I've always assumed it was my spamd daemon that was assigning it. If I were to reply to any of those mails it would keep ***SPAM*** in the subject line unless I manually removed it.
*subscribe* Actually my mbox-archives are just the result of my own subscription to this list. This means that this archive _must_ differ from the original HTML-Archive at SuSE. 1. Message reaches SuSE -> HTML-Archive 2. Message forwared to List-Server -> Anti-Spam-Software 3. Spam deleted -> Rest sent out 4. Comes to my server -> Anti-Spam-Software 5. Spam moved -> to mbox 6. procmail copies this to mbox-Archive 7. leaves message in mbox for POP3 bis dahin - kind regards Martin Mewes -- Member of the Webmin Translation Team http://www.webmin.com/ http://webmin.mamemu.de/ Debian, SuSE, Securityfocus and Webmin - Mailinglist mboxes http://www.mewes.tv/mbox/
The Wednesday 2004-11-24 at 08:24 +0100, Martin Mewes wrote:
Hi Carlos,
"Carlos E. R."
wrote : [I suppose you forgot to send to the list. I have also removed the spam header, just in case]
OldSubject : Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO
Which should have been written as
Re: [SLE] Samba HOWTO (was: Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO) in order to avoid miss-threading for some clients.
Normally, yes, but not on this case: what I tried to do was not to have the word "***SPAM***" in the subject, to avoid the mail being filtered and not seen by some people. As for the threading... threading should be done on the "References" and "In-Reply-To" headers. An email with the same subject needs not belong to the same thread. I think :-) ...
All of these messages were sent either by Don Paris, Carlos E.R. or Brad Bourn. I subscribe to your point of view with the one spam-message, but it could be, that messages reach the archive first before they are sent back to subcribers.
Could be; it does seem like that. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
Hi Carlos,
"Carlos E. R."
Which should have been written as
Re: [SLE] Samba HOWTO (was: Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO) in order to avoid miss-threading for some clients.
Normally, yes, but not on this case: what I tried to do was not to have the word "***SPAM***" in the subject, to avoid the mail being filtered and not seen by some people.
As for the threading... threading should be done on the "References" and "In-Reply-To" headers. An email with the same subject needs not belong to the same thread.
I think :-)
*subscribed* bis dahin - kind regards Martin Mewes -- Member of the Webmin Translation Team http://www.webmin.com/ http://webmin.mamemu.de/ Debian, SuSE, Securityfocus and Webmin - Mailinglist mboxes http://www.mewes.tv/mbox/
I"m quite sure it was my provider. I have had them remove filtering for my account so it won't happen again. B-) On Tuesday 23 November 2004 04:26 pm, Carlos E. R. wrote:
[I suppose you forgot to send to the list. I have also removed the spam header, just in case]
OldSubject : Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO
El 2004-11-23 a las 09:16 -0500, James Knott escribió:
I also see that header, but in emails that are answers to James messages - actually, twice this month. And I know it is not my provider, they don't have that service, unless I pay extra.
Could the header be generated at SuSE?
If it was, I'd see it on my messages, as they're posted on the list.
Do the message headers offer any clues?
I'm not clear on that, I mean, I'm not sure. I can't analyze if it is SuSE, because the spamassassin headers that SuSE puts there are removed by my local spamassassin run.
But have a look at "http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2004-Nov/". There is at least one message with the *spam* subject line, and the one in question is missing from the archive (our answers are shown, but not the fist message). That is suspicious.
* [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] VPN client under 9.2 Brad Bourn (Thu Nov 18 2004 - 21:18:28 CET)
* [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO James Knott (Mon Nov 22 2004 - 18:42:44 CET) * Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO Carlos E. R. (Tue Nov 23 2004 - 05:07:42 CET) * Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO Brad Bourn (Tue Nov 23 2004 - 17:39:05 CET) * Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO James Knott (Tue Nov 23 2004 - 18:12:53 CET) * Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO James Knott (Tue Nov 23 2004 - 18:28:11 CET) * Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO Brad Bourn (Tue Nov 23 2004 - 18:40:40 CET) * Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO James Knott (Tue Nov 23 2004 - 18:43:02 CET)
* [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO James Knott (Tue Nov 23 2004 - 18:12:24 CET)
On the other hand, on that same link, the very first few messages are spam - I don't understand how those reach the list, I don't see them; however, it could be that my local spamassassin is trained, and suse's is not:
* Dylan are you all set? Helena Hunt (Thu Jan 01 1970 - 00:59:59 CET)
Mmm, no, that message is not in my local spam folder. Funny!
And now, I'll have to pgp sign this message to reduce the risk of this message being filtered out ;-)
-- Saludos Carlos Robinson
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Brad Bourn
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Carlos E. R.
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James Knott
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Jeffrey Laramie
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Martin Mewes