[opensuse] Yast ncurses Software Management in 11.0 - Why no keyboard shortcuts anymore?
Listmates, Text mode yast in 11.0 is missing all of the shortcut keys for search, etc... I thought it must have been an oversight and would be fixed, but after 4 months, they are still not there. Specifically if you go into software management, you can select Alt+F for "Filter", but then all of the shortcut keys are missing for "Patterns", "Languages", "RPM Groups", "Repositories", "Search" (most importantly), and "Installation Summary". Is this a bug or did somebody mean to strip the shortcuts out? Also, the "search" layout is more cumbersome now. Once you select search, you then have to use Alt+P to get to the search phrase text box and then after you enter the search, you have to type Alt+S to actually start the search, the normal return key does nothing. In 10.3, the focus went to the search box automatically, and then a simple return executed the search. Again, is this a bug or this this new (lack of) functionality? Thanks -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
David C. Rankin wrote:
Listmates,
Text mode yast in 11.0 is missing all of the shortcut keys for search, etc... I thought it must have been an oversight and would be fixed, but after 4 months, they are still not there. Specifically if you go into software management, you can select Alt+F for "Filter",
Did you by any chance mean ALT-L rather then ALT-F? Alt-F works but there is nah-dah for Alt-L. (Because I always use the mouse to navigate in Software Management I hadn't noticed the absence of the keyboard shortcuts until you mentioned this fact.) Ciao. -- If you go through life with your head in the sand, all people will see is an arse. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin wrote:
David C. Rankin wrote:
Text mode yast in 11.0 is missing all of the shortcut keys for search, etc... ...
(Because I always use the mouse to navigate in Software Management I hadn't noticed the absence of the keyboard shortcuts until you mentioned this fact.)
Interesting. I had cause to boot single user mode and run yast recently, and found I had to tab round all the commands because I could not make some of them work from the highlit letters. I thought it was this machine, so I didn't report it. Bob -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Robert E A Harvey wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
David C. Rankin wrote:
Text mode yast in 11.0 is missing all of the shortcut keys for search, etc... ...
(Because I always use the mouse to navigate in Software Management I hadn't noticed the absence of the keyboard shortcuts until you mentioned this fact.)
Interesting. I had cause to boot single user mode and run yast recently, and found I had to tab round all the commands because I could not make some of them work from the highlit letters. I thought it was this machine, so I didn't report it.
Bob
Good, I know now that I'm not the only one. I'll report it. -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
David C. Rankin wrote:
Listmates,
Text mode yast in 11.0 is missing all of the shortcut keys for search, etc... I thought it must have been an oversight and would be fixed, but after 4 months, they are still not there. Specifically if you go into software management, you can select Alt+F for "Filter", but then all of the shortcut keys are missing for "Patterns", "Languages", "RPM Groups", "Repositories", "Search" (most importantly), and "Installation Summary". Is this a bug or did somebody mean to strip the shortcuts out?
Also, the "search" layout is more cumbersome now. Once you select search, you then have to use Alt+P to get to the search phrase text box and then after you enter the search, you have to type Alt+S to actually start the search, the normal return key does nothing. In 10.3, the focus went to the search box automatically, and then a simple return executed the search. Again, is this a bug or this this new (lack of) functionality?
Thanks
The bug was submitted as: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=439419 Please add any comments or additions you would like. -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
David C. Rankin wrote:
David C. Rankin wrote:
Listmates,
Text mode yast in 11.0 is missing all of the shortcut keys for search, etc... I thought it must have been an oversight and would be fixed, but after 4 months, they are still not there. Specifically if you go into software management, you can select Alt+F for "Filter", but then all of the shortcut keys are missing for "Patterns", "Languages", "RPM Groups", "Repositories", "Search" (most importantly), and "Installation Summary". Is this a bug or did somebody mean to strip the shortcuts out?
Also, the "search" layout is more cumbersome now. Once you select search, you then have to use Alt+P to get to the search phrase text box and then after you enter the search, you have to type Alt+S to actually start the search, the normal return key does nothing. In 10.3, the focus went to the search box automatically, and then a simple return executed the search. Again, is this a bug or this this new (lack of) functionality?
Thanks
The bug was submitted as:
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=439419
Please add any comments or additions you would like.
Simply Amazing.... <quote> --- Comment #1 from Katarina Machalkova <kmachalkova@novell.com> 2008-10-29 05:29:03 MDT --- All of the above (kbd shortcuts - unique across all dialogs, accessibility of search function etc.) are no longer an issue in openSUSE 11.1 yast-ncurses-pkg 2.17.4 should contain all the fixes. See also this blogpost of mine: http://hedgehogpainter.livejournal.com/670.html Unfortunately, it was too late to fix for 11.0 and usability issues usually do not qualify for online update. Moreover, in this particular case adding keyboard shortcuts would break existing translations. </quote> That's one fine customer focused corporate philosophy: "usability issues usually do not qualify for online update" I mean how hard could it be to put kbd shortcuts back in? I'll know after I finish getting smart on YUI;-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* David C. Rankin <drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com> [10-29-08 09:36]:
That's one fine customer focused corporate philosophy: "usability issues usually do not qualify for online update"
If you will look back, you will find that it has been this way! IOW, "Not a new policy."
I mean how hard could it be to put kbd shortcuts back in? I'll know after I finish getting smart on YUI;-)
If it is that "easy", you are/will provide the function? -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* David C. Rankin <drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com> [10-29-08 09:36]:
That's one fine customer focused corporate philosophy: "usability issues usually do not qualify for online update"
If you will look back, you will find that it has been this way! IOW, "Not a new policy."
I mean how hard could it be to put kbd shortcuts back in? I'll know after I finish getting smart on YUI;-)
If it is that "easy", you are/will provide the function?
The blogspot link listed in the post explains a little more about the current situation. Even the developers aren't too happy about the current state of the 11.0 ncurses UI. Two questions linger. (1) How or why did it ever get released in the shape it is in anyway?, and (2) since this has obviously been a known issue for quite some time and already fixed for 11.1, why wasn't a fix developed and deployed for 11.0 at the same time? As long as I can remember, at least back to 8.0, the ncurses shortcut keys have always been present and always worked. How does something like that just disappear? Why dwell on the past? There have been a number of yast/zypper updates for 11.0, one as recent as last week. If another is needed, why not have this fix ready to deploy at that time? I get it -- the 11.0 ncurses interface is awkward to use in its current state, but beyond that, it is usable. (with lots of arrow keys and lots of tabs) Ok, that's the decision on the bug -- that's fine. However, the intriguing part about the bug to me was the manner in which the bug was closed -- "RESOLVED". Huh? Really? That's what "RESOLVED" means? To avoid a little bit of intellectual dishonesty, wouldn't "WONTFIX" have been the more appropriate designation for 11.0? Let's see: (a) Problem Reported for 11.0 -- check (b) Problem Validated for 11.0 -- check (c) Solutions Considered -- check (d) Decision made to NOT FIX -- check I understand why Novell wants to focus on 11.1 right now, but why forget all of those users who have installed, or more importantly those who _will_ install, 11.0 in the future. 11.0 is still the "current" release isn't it? It will still be supported for another 18 months or so, right? If the install/configuration tool is one of the main yardsticks by which Linux distributions are measured as you read in nearly every press review, why not make sure the you put your best foot forward? Just seems like a missed opportunity to me. Anyway, this issue is closed. If I can learn enough about YUI with the great start Stefan was kind enough to provide, I'll be happy to submit a patch, that is of course, unless you beat me to it... -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2008-10-29 at 08:33 -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
--- Comment #1 from Katarina Machalkova <> 2008-10-29 05:29:03 MDT --- ... Unfortunately, it was too late to fix for 11.0 and usability issues usually do not qualify for online update. Moreover, in this particular case adding keyboard shortcuts would break existing translations.
The part about translations is absolutely true. Translations are done by volunteers, and when you change even a single comma in the original English text, all translations of that string cease to work reverting to English. Thus, by adding the shortcuts, which would replace labels like: Accept with: &Accept would automatically dissable its translation to all languages (by design, and not suse's). It is not as simple as you think. On the other hand, updates are only done for security or grave reasons, and a usability issue is not that. You can only request those changes for 11.1, if there is time, not for 11.0. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkkIjl0ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UYYgCglb1TMCN2Vi6XMgV/T5guNTtv K5sAniTwHEPa6jK4y7/o2ekdtcnJu3om =4NkD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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