John Murphy [2003-04-18 23:02]:

James is this also the problem with Abiword not having a working spell check also? Suse has not had a spell checker working with Abiword for a couple of years now. Now Evolution with no spell checker, this is like having a car with no wheels!

Mutt + aspell works extremely well. But if you're hooked on GUIs you're SOL...

On Sat, 2003-04-19 at 08:23, rex wrote:

John Murphy [2003-04-18 23:02]:

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James is this also the problem with Abiword not having a working spell check also? Suse has not had a spell checker working with Abiword for a couple of years now. Now Evolution with no spell checker, this is like having a car with no wheels!

No, it's more like a car with no GPS system built-in. People who know where to go can still get there.

Mutt + aspell works extremely well.

But if you're hooked on GUIs you're SOL...

and SOL means? I have spell checking working in evolution.

On Sat, 2003-04-19 at 00:32, rex wrote:

Anders Johansson [2003-04-19 00:15]:

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On Sat, 2003-04-19 at 08:23, rex wrote:

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Mutt + aspell works extremely well.

But if you're hooked on GUIs you're SOL...

and SOL means? I have spell checking working in evolution.

Sh*t out of luck. It's a common American expression.

I meant that Mutt is text-based, not a GUI. As such, it's FAST and powerful. GUI addicts pay the sloooooow price for their addiction.

"rolls eyes", this e-mail looks like it just got sent from something out of NeverWinter Nights. Yes mutt is cool, but...Not for everyone. And I have found evo plenty fast enough. Not to mention seeing badly typed words with a nice red squiggly mark underneath them. Matt

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On Sat, 2003-04-19 at 09:32, rex wrote:

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I meant that Mutt is text-based, not a GUI. As such, it's FAST and powerful. GUI addicts pay the sloooooow price for their addiction.

This is a question that is bothering me: So, what does a test-based email client do faster than a GUI-based one?

I still read a mail at the same speed, no matter what I use to display it.

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On Sun, 2003-04-20 at 06:17, rex wrote:

Matt is right, of course: Mutt isn't for everyone.

Reading is only part of the time spent and the GUI MUAs I've tried are slower for me, one reason being that they usually require a lot of mouse movements and I don't like to take my hands off the keyboard. Another reason is that I like "small, sharp, tools." For example, I like aspell and don't want to be forced into using a spell checker that is built-in to the MUA. Likewise, I like to use one editor (Jed) for almost everything. Mutt (of course), makes using GPG/PGP easy, and it also supports mixmaster.

These are all personal choice, although Evolution do also support regexp, and you can get to about all (if not all) functions only using the keyboard.

Hitting 'o' brings up: Sort (d)ate/(f)rm/(r)ecv/(s)ubj/t(o)/(t)hread/(u)nsort/si(z)e/s(c)ore?: My outbox has nearly 25,000 messages in it. Sorting it on any of the options above takes less than a second.

Starting at the 1st message and searching the bodies of all 25,000 messages for a string that appears in only the last message takes slightly over 6 seconds (P3-800 w 512MB). Mutt also does regexp searches.

These actions are all independent of a GUI. The speed differences between is due to the specific implementation of each program and not the fact that it use a GUI or not.

These are some of the reasons I like Mutt. More at http://www.mutt.org

I've got nothing against mutt, I'm sure it is a very fine application, what got me going was the comment that GUI-based mail clients are sloooow. I think this is a not always the case. The fact that something has a GUI, does not always make it magnificently slower than something else. On a PI with 32 MB RAM, there is definitely a difference, but on most current (P3 +) hardware the speed difference is normally not that much. I can live with a few extra milliseconds between actions. I know that there are applications that is better off without a GUI and I also like to use small, efficient programs where I can. Things like grep, awk, cat, etc is simply brilliant. (I have amazed a few Windows users with its power on a few occasions) I have recently freaked out at work, because people added a GUI to server processes when they ported it to Windows - total waste of resources. But, I think it all comes down to what tools people are used to. For instance, I have worked with a guy that use vi, but I am much faster in Nedit than he is in vi. Nedit was the first editor I used on Unix and I am still more comfortable and faster with it than in vi, although I know that vi is a fraction of a second faster than Nedit with most commands, not to mention the Nedit dependency on a X server. Because I can get Nedit on any platform that I have worked on, I have never made the time to properly evaluate something else. I can help myself in vi, because you don't always have X. So, my point: Everything with a GUI is not necessarily slow and the best tool to use is a personal choice. Mutt might have a better spell-checking interface than Evolution, I don't know. I am fairly sure that it is easier to set up a spell checker in Mutt than in Evolution. The spell checker integration in Evolution has been a problem for a long while, but I doubt if it has something to do with the fact that Evolution use a GUI. -- Andre Truter Software Engineer Registered Linux user #185282 ICQ #40935899 AIM: trusoftzaf http://www.trusoft.za.net <-------------------------------------------------> < The box said: Requires Windows 95 or better... > < So I installed Linux > <------------------------------------------------->

On Sun, 2003-04-20 at 13:23, Frits Wüthrich wrote:

In evolution I mess compared to Kmail:

3 the absence of expire as an option, something I used for lists like this one

Frits

You can do this with filters Best wishes Timothy Mason

On Sun, 2003-04-20 at 14:15, Frits Wüthrich wrote:

On Sun, 2003-04-20 at 12:33, Timothy Mason wrote:

How can I set-up a filter that deletes all the messages in a folder that are read and at least one month old? --

I have set up a virtual folder for all messages older than a certain time. Then I just refresh the virtual folder (Ctrl-E), select all, delete and expunge. Unfortunately, this is a manual process, but it works for me. -- Andre Truter Software Engineer Registered Linux user #185282 ICQ #40935899 AIM: trusoftzaf http://www.trusoft.za.net <-------------------------------------------------> < The box said: Requires Windows 95 or better... > < So I installed Linux > <------------------------------------------------->

On Sun, 2003-04-20 at 12:43, Anders Johansson wrote:

On Sun, 2003-04-20 at 13:23, Frits Wüthrich wrote:

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In evolution I mess compared to Kmail: 1 the buttons to jump to the next or previous unread email

"Go to next unread" is . on my keyboard.

What I miss, in any MUA, is configurable keyboard shortcuts. KP+ is very well placed for "next unread" in kmail, other shortcuts are less well placed. I wish the MUAs would let us make up our own minds about the shortcuts' placement. Thanks for that. -- Frits Wüthrich

SOL means S*** Out of Luck. You can figure out the first English word, I'm sure. --doug At 00:21 04/20/2003 +0100, Frits Wüthrich wrote:

On Sat, 2003-04-19 at 07:31, Anders Johansson wrote:

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On Sat, 2003-04-19 at 08:23, rex wrote:

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John Murphy [2003-04-18 23:02]:

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James is this also the problem with Abiword not having a working

spell check

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also? Suse has not had a spell checker working with Abiword for a couple of years now. Now Evolution with no spell checker, this is like having a car with no wheels!

No, it's more like a car with no GPS system built-in. People who know where to go can still get there.

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Mutt + aspell works extremely well.

But if you're hooked on GUIs you're SOL...

and SOL means? I have spell checking working in evolution. How do you have the spell check working in Evolution? I am running SuSE8.1, and just switched to Evolution last Friday, I have the latest version after using Red Carpet, but only am able to get the Dutch spell checker to work. I need the English more then the Dutch one. -- Frits Wüthrich

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How do you have the spell check working in Evolution? I am running SuSE8.1, and just switched to Evolution last Friday, I have the latest version after using Red Carpet, but only am able to get the Dutch spell checker to work. I need the English more then the Dutch one.

You need to have aspell dictionaries for the languages you want, then you enable it in Tools -> Settings -> Composer Preferences -> Spell Checking -- James Ogley, Webmaster, Rubber Turnip james@rubberturnip.org.uk http://www.rubberturnip.org.uk Jabber: riggwelter@myjabber.net Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 8.1). GNOME updates for SuSE: http://www.usr-local-bin.org

Ben Rosenberg [2003-04-19 00:15]:

* rex (rex@nosyntax.net) [030418 23:25]:

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Mutt + aspell works extremely well.

But if you're hooked on GUIs you're SOL...

Untrue. The usr-local-bin.org site should have new Evolution package Monday if I remember right and it will have a spell checker...or so James said the other day on the list. Keep an eye out.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant that people who demand a GUI for mail can't use Mutt + aspell. GUIs are OK for those who don't need speed, but when you start dealing with 500+ messages a day they don't cut it, IME.

James is this also the problem with Abiword not having a working spell check also? Suse has not had a spell checker working with Abiword for a couple of years now. Now Evolution with no spell checker, this is like having a car with no wheels!

Ummm, no, AbiWord uses the abispell package, I don't provide these on usr-local-bin.org because the ones from AbiWord's SourceForge page work fine under SuSE for AbiWord 1.0.x, and as yet (as far as I've noticed) there aren't any for 1.1.x (I think this may be because 1.1.x just links against the installed aspell library - must check this) I agree that the lack of gnome-spell is an oversight on behalf of SuSE, although, it does give me a bit of an edge ;-) A more serious issue though is the sudden absence in 8.2 of aspell dictionaries. One problem I just noticed is that the English dictionary I said would be on the site on Tuesday isn't GPL, so I'll need to check if I can legally distribute it. What I may have to do is just post instructions of how to obtain it, and maybe a script to automate the process. James -- James Ogley, Webmaster, Rubber Turnip james@rubberturnip.org.uk http://www.rubberturnip.org.uk Jabber: riggwelter@myjabber.net Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 8.1). GNOME updates for SuSE: http://www.usr-local-bin.org

On Saturday 19 April 2003 04:50 pm, John Murphy wrote:

On Saturday 19 April 2003 15:49, James Ogley wrote:

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A more serious issue though is the sudden absence in 8.2 of aspell dictionaries.

Aspell is on 8.2 Pro and they do have about 8 or 9 dictionaries, none English. I assumed English was a default but I'm probably wrong. You can in KDE control under Spell Checking enable Aspell over Ispell. If you do you get a wrong path error.

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One problem I just noticed is that the English dictionary I said would be on the site on Tuesday isn't GPL, so I'll need to check if I can legally distribute it. What I may have to do is just post instructions of how to obtain it, and maybe a script to automate the process.

James

Thanks I look forward to trying it out.

John ======================

I too found several dictionaries available for aspell on the 8.2 dvd. It seems to work pretty well with English though and I am guessing as John did, that it was the default, as there are not english dicts. One thing I am wondering about too, this is probably more for James, is the new gtkspell program? I know when trying to install the rpm of Gaim 0.61 off their site, it kept crying about gtkspell & pspell libs! I ended up compiling gtkspell, but it didn't satisfy the pspell lib dependencies. James, do you know if the gtkspell is to replace others in the Gnome2.2 or can it be used/substituted for those Gnome 2.2 programs needing a speller? Patrick -- --- KMail v1.5.9.1i --- SuSE Linux Pro v8.1 --- Registered Linux User #225206 On any other day, that might seem strange...

John Murphy [2003-04-19 16:07]:

Aspell is on 8.2 Pro and they do have about 8 or 9 dictionaries, none English. I assumed English was a default but I'm probably wrong. You can in KDE control under Spell Checking enable Aspell over Ispell. If you do you get a wrong path error.

The English dictionary is missing from the 8.2 distribution. I downloaded the 3 Jan 2003 version from: http://aspell.sourceforge.net/ After bunzip2 & tar, ./configure, make, make install worked and aspell runs from the command line. Changing to aspell in KDE gave no error. -rex