On Saturday 10 June 2006 18:02, Lester Caine wrote:

Peter Nikolic wrote:

Totally agree :) But this should be on the OT list ;)

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Have to find that list one of these days .. .. Going even more OT i see you are a G8 know anything about the Yaesu FT857 thinking of buying one but would like a bit more info contact off list if you want at the email on QRZ.com or this one Pete G6NJR. -- The Labour party has changed their emblem from a rose to a condom as it more accurately reflects the government's political stance. A condom allows for inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of security while you are actually being fucked. from GSM -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com

* Kevanf1 [06-10-06 17:58]:

Well, Anders, I'll apologise but in my defence I thought it had come from the main list. Gmail does not make it very clear which list it comes from if you happen to be in a hurry. If they would sort out the problem with the reply field it would never happen. I would be able to hit reply and not worry that I was replying to the wrong list.

I've e-mailed Gmail more than once and I'm sick of doing it.

Then perhaps it is time for a change. I use gmail and have no problem, but i fetch gmail to my local machine and respond with a gmail return addr via my own server. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com

* Kevanf1 [06-10-06 17:58]:

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Well, Anders, I'll apologise but in my defence I thought it had come from the main list. Gmail does not make it very clear which list it comes from if you happen to be in a hurry. If they would sort out the problem with the reply field it would never happen. I would be able to hit reply and not worry that I was replying to the wrong list.

I've e-mailed Gmail more than once and I'm sick of doing it.

Then perhaps it is time for a change. I use gmail and have no problem, but i fetch gmail to my local machine and respond with a gmail return addr via my own server. -- Ok, it's been suggested in the past and I have fought shy of doing it. Will fetching my GMail via a POP mail reader make any difference to

On 10/06/06, Patrick Shanahan wrote: this behaviour? If it does I will have to bite the bullet and give it a go. In SuSE I generally use (or used in the past) Kmail while in Windows (I know, I'm sorry for swearing) I use Pegasus Mail. Both have pretty much exactly the same user interface. -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== PLEASE DON'T drink and drive it's not clever, it's just stupid. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com

On Sun, 2006-06-11 at 14:25 +0100, Kevanf1 wrote:

Ok, it's been suggested in the past and I have fought shy of doing it. Will fetching my GMail via a POP mail reader make any difference to this behaviour?

Yes and no. Yes, GMail will pass through the headers it received (e.g., Inbox). No, anything GMail has replied to, will drop many headers (e.g., Sent).

If it does I will have to bite the bullet and give it a go.

Google chooses not to follow the 30+ years of RFC822/SMTP standards by tracking Message-ID. Message-ID tracking is why you have nicely threaded SMTP e-mail (as well as NNTP posts) _regardless_ of stupid mailing list prefixes, etc... It is the _only_ universal guarantee. In the old O'Reilly Discussion Guidelines for NNTP/news servers, such as the UsetNet, appending (e.g., key point) or even changing (e.g., "Was") the subject not only allowed, but heavily encouraged so people don't have to sort through dozens of posts to find relevant content -- especially as the content changes from the original subject. Ironically enough, today's SMTP web archives, such a Pipermail (e.g., Mailman's default), the _exact_same_ Message-ID tracking does the same inter-post tracking. The more the SMTP client honors and keeps all Message-ID and puts into follow-up, the better and more inter-linked the web archive. I get thanks _daily_ from people who find my posts in Google archives for appending the subject with key points as well as changing the subject when the content changes radically from the original subject. They don't have to sort through dozens (if not hundreds) of follow-ups to find relevant subject content. The _only_ ones that complain are the ones using GMail, which attempts to thread on subject which is rather impossible/inconsistent. I purposely only append the subject if at all possible so even sort by subject still works. Unfortunately, some mail readers can't deal with the automated prefixes -- especially when cross-posting across mailing lists (which is why I try to always "cut out" such prefixes). Threading SMTP/NNTP is the whole reason Message-ID has existed for 30+ years, and Google not only utterly ignores it, but doesn't preserve the chain of IDs in responses. I _never_ complain about newer Internet users who top-post, don't bother cutting out endless (often multiple) prefixes or follow other "new-age" habits. But I really tire of people who complain about my "old ways" of growing up with the Internet in the '80s, 5-10 years before the web -- especially those using GMail and other "broken" SMTP readers. There's a reason us "old UseNet guys" post the way we do -- and it's something I'm still thanked for _daily_ by -- again, ironically -- people who find my stuff in Google searches. Message-ID tracking combined with subject appending/changes actually helps Google be far more effective in searching forums/archives.

In SuSE I generally use (or used in the past) Kmail while in Windows (I know, I'm sorry for swearing) I use Pegasus Mail. Both have pretty much exactly the same user interface.

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Sunnudaginn 11 júní 2006 04:00 skrifaði kai:

On Saturday 10 June 2006 09:18 am, Kevanf1 wrote:

...and what exactly does football have to to with the world cup? :P

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On Sun, 2006-06-11 at 21:12 -0700, kai wrote:

(moved OT section to P.S.) OT - Is this a good method of moving your directory to a new system? I am thinking of upgrading my laptop to 10.1 and want to copy back my home directory from a .dar backup to the new system once I'm done.

For laptops, I _always_ rsync to a main server regularly. I typically create a user directory called "~/worksync" that always gets uploaded to their department server in a rsync script every hour when the notebook system is connected to the main network. The user also has a "~/work" directory located in their home directory on their department server. They know "~/work" only stays on the server, and anything they save to "~/worksync" gets sync'd to their notebook. On the notebook itself, "~/work" is a symlink to "~/worksync". As far as other files (e.g., configuration) in the home directory on the notebook computer, I'd do a special rsync to a special directory in their home directory to save those before any upgrade. Then once the upgrade is complete, I'd have the user copy back any setting files they needed. -- Bryan P.S. I haven't mentioned anything and hoped others would end this, but ...

LOL! Oh, and in case anyone's curious - I had to suffer through two games today. I think it was my wife's way of telling me to get off my rear and get work done outside because she was gonna be blaring Soccer in the den all afternoon. I think our television's volume goes up to 11.

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