[opensuse] Bye bye SuSE?
This is not meant to start a flame war, I just thought I should express my concern on this list. "Novell dips KDE 3.5 (...) OpenSuse-Community-Manager (...) said that OpenSuse 11.1 would be the last version with KDE 3.5, and would contain only a stripped down version of the desktop. Strting with openSuSE 11.2 there will be no more KDE 3.5 components in the repositories (...)" - quick and dirty translation of LinuxUser 11.2008 Well, I don't know how far KDE 4.x will be when 11.1 comes out. Judging by 4.1.2 and Sebastian Kügler's interview in the same magazin (more plasmoids and new features and not a single word about bringing back the "old" fonctionalities) it seems I should quickly look for a replacement distribution........ I don't hope to change Novell's decision, but am I the only one here to say "no, KDE 4 has *not* the desktop, file manager and other desktop management elements I want? T. de Coulon -- “Microsoft isn't evil, they just make really crappy operating systems.” Linus Torvald -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Thierry de Coulon
This is not meant to start a flame war, I just thought I should express my concern on this list.
"Novell dips KDE 3.5 (...) OpenSuse-Community-Manager (...) said that OpenSuse 11.1 would be the last version with KDE 3.5, and would contain only a stripped down version of the desktop. Strting with openSuSE 11.2 there will be no more KDE 3.5 components in the repositories (...)" - quick and dirty translation of LinuxUser 11.2008
Well, I don't know how far KDE 4.x will be when 11.1 comes out. Judging by 4.1.2 and Sebastian Kügler's interview in the same magazin (more plasmoids and new features and not a single word about bringing back the "old" fonctionalities) it seems I should quickly look for a replacement distribution........
I don't hope to change Novell's decision, but am I the only one here to say "no, KDE 4 has *not* the desktop, file manager and other desktop management elements I want?
I haven't seen a roadmap for 11.2 yet, but I would guess it will come out next August or so. ie. You don't have to "quickly" look for a replacement desktop. And who knows, by May or June you may find the KDE 4.x is working for you. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer First 99 Days Litigation White Paper - http://www.norcrossgroup.com/forms/whitepapers/99%20Days%20whitepaper.pdf The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Well, I don't know how far KDE 4.x will be when 11.1 comes out. Judging by 4.1.2 and Sebastian Kügler's interview in the same magazin (more plasmoids and new features and not a single word about bringing back the "old" fonctionalities) it seems I should quickly look for a replacement distribution........
Ummm what makes you think that all the other major distributions will not be doing the exact same thing? All distros will be packaging KDE4 as well. This is NOT an openSUSE only thing.... as in openSUSE are not the only ones with KDE4. You are welcome to choose whichever distro suits your needs, but thinking that switching to RandomDistroX will "save" you from KDE4 is very short sighted. RandomDistroX will be shipping with KDE4 too before too long. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Clayton wrote:
Ummm what makes you think that all the other major distributions will not be doing the exact same thing? All distros will be packaging KDE4 as well. This is NOT an openSUSE only thing.... as in openSUSE are not the only ones with KDE4.
Good point. I just picked up the current Linux Pro magazine, and I think it's a Fedora 9 DVD in it this month. I was gonna experiment with installing it in a Hyper-V virtual on my server at work, but it says KDE 4.0, so I've been afraid to touch it. But hey, maybe my v plug-in would work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 21 October 2008 11:47:13 am Thierry de Coulon wrote:
This is not meant to start a flame war, I just thought I should express my concern on this list.
"Novell dips KDE 3.5 (...) OpenSuse-Community-Manager (...) said that OpenSuse 11.1 would be the last version with KDE 3.5, and would contain only a stripped down version of the desktop. Strting with openSuSE 11.2 there will be no more KDE 3.5 components in the repositories (...)" - quick and dirty translation of LinuxUser 11.2008
Well, if you read further into it, one might suggest that moving to KDE 3.0 was a bad idea. After all, "KDE 3 for 7.3 isn't up to normal SuSE standards." http://marc.info/?l=suse-linux-e&m=102100251111819&w=2 -- kai www.filesite.org || www.perfectreign.com Clean out a corner of your mind and creativity will instantly fill it. - Dee Hock -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Thierry de Coulon wrote:
This is not meant to start a flame war, I just thought I should express my concern on this list.
"Novell dips KDE 3.5 (...) OpenSuse-Community-Manager (...) said that OpenSuse 11.1 would be the last version with KDE 3.5, and would contain only a stripped down version of the desktop. Strting with openSuSE 11.2 there will be no more KDE 3.5 components in the repositories (...)" - quick and dirty translation of LinuxUser 11.2008
Well, I don't know how far KDE 4.x will be when 11.1 comes out. Judging by 4.1.2 and Sebastian Kügler's interview in the same magazin (more plasmoids and new features and not a single word about bringing back the "old" fonctionalities) it seems I should quickly look for a replacement distribution........
I don't hope to change Novell's decision, but am I the only one here to say "no, KDE 4 has *not* the desktop, file manager and other desktop management elements I want?
T. de Coulon
No you're not. I also want the KDE 3.5 functionality to continue. Based on what I've seen of KDE 4, it's not something I'd ever want on *MY* computers. As far as I'm concerned eye candy == crapware. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
James Knott wrote:
Thierry de Coulon wrote:
This is not meant to start a flame war, I just thought I should express my concern on this list.
"Novell dips KDE 3.5 (...) OpenSuse-Community-Manager (...) said that OpenSuse 11.1 would be the last version with KDE 3.5, and would contain only a stripped down version of the desktop. Strting with openSuSE 11.2 there will be no more KDE 3.5 components in the repositories (...)" - quick and dirty translation of LinuxUser 11.2008
Well, I don't know how far KDE 4.x will be when 11.1 comes out. Judging by 4.1.2 and Sebastian Kügler's interview in the same magazin (more plasmoids and new features and not a single word about bringing back the "old" fonctionalities) it seems I should quickly look for a replacement distribution........
I don't hope to change Novell's decision, but am I the only one here to say "no, KDE 4 has *not* the desktop, file manager and other desktop management elements I want?
T. de Coulon
No you're not. I also want the KDE 3.5 functionality to continue. Based on what I've seen of KDE 4, it's not something I'd ever want on *MY* computers. As far as I'm concerned eye candy == crapware.
When I upgrade my clients with 11.1, they'll all get 3.5. IF all the functionality in 3.5 isn't in the current KDE release with 11.2 or whatever it is then, then I'll simply convert everyone to Gnome at the time of upgrade. I've already discussed all this with management, and they are in full agreement. Functionality is MANDATORY, eye candy isn't.....period. Fred -- "Politicians and diapers need to be changed regularly -- and for the same reason." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 23. Oktober 2008 05:15:58 schrieb Fred A. Miller:
When I upgrade my clients with 11.1, they'll all get 3.5. IF all the functionality in 3.5 isn't in the current KDE release with 11.2 or whatever it is then, then I'll simply convert everyone to Gnome at the time of upgrade. I've already discussed all this with management, and they are in full agreement. Functionality is MANDATORY, eye candy isn't.....period.
Fred
You win some, you lose some. It's just hilarious that you think converting people from KDE 3 to Gnome is a better and less painful than discovering KDE4's new techniques. I guess it just shows that this is whining and not informed crititcism, appending 1+1=2 to that does not make it valid. Bye, bye! Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch, 22. Oktober 2008 00:12:31 schrieb James Knott:
No you're not. I also want the KDE 3.5 functionality to continue. Based on what I've seen of KDE 4, it's not something I'd ever want on *MY* computers. As far as I'm concerned eye candy == crapware.
You win some, you lose some. Losing whining people might be a healthy thing for software that looks into the future. If KDE4 does not suit you, don't use it. Calling it crapware disqualifies you. Always refering to only the eye candy shows your ignorance of KDE 4.x. Bye, Bye! Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, October 21, 2008 19:47, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
This is not meant to start a flame war,
*g* I had to scroll back pages in Squirrelmail to find the start of this thread, and you say you didn't want to start a flame war? ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
From Stephan Binner on the Suse bug tracker: KDE3 will not be removed in openSUSE 11.1: http://news.opensuse.org/2008/09/09/kde-in-opensuse-111-and-beyond/ Relevant bug: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=402600 -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
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