Re: [opensuse] Encryption password fail on install > internationalisation <
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Please remember to post to the list. On 2014-07-23 00:04, Mark Ballard wrote:
I don't see why the need to reinstall... provided you manage to open the encrypted (LUKS) filesystem once, there is a procedure to add more passwords to it, I can dig the procedure on my notes tomorrow, perhaps.
I'm not sure of that install phase, but I think that what it is saying is that: - it is going to use the current defined keyboard. - on boot, it will use the US keyboard. - thus make sure you now, during install, use keys that are the same both in the US keyboard and your local one. They are not saying, I believe, that during installation the keyboard switches momentarily to the US layout for the password entry.,
We have more different keys. In Spanish and French, for instance, we have "accents". In German, they have, how they call it... umlauts? Some keys do not produce output the first time you press them, the result depends on the next key you press. I can just barely guess what happens with non Latin alphabet languages. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlPPF+wACgkQja8UbcUWM1zExgD9H40fvGwEQXVAApx3u4Tdk8XD TuMsqJ4NENbiSE/ZHMUBAJFbnbKAY0Rq34UuxP+Ed7K/fZLmz43Cgk4nkcCBf7gD =VbcF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
That is precisely the problem. You cannot open the file system once. If you set the system up with a complex password on a non-US keyboard, you learn that you cannot open the system at all. The only solution is to reinstall the system using a temprorary password that works in both in opensuse's default US keyboard layout and your own international keyboard. Only then can you get into the system and use the luks procedure to add a proper password and delete the temporary one. Clearly, this is ridiculous.
I'm not sure of that install phase,
It is the last thing in the install phase: the bit where you login to your new system. It asks for its disk encryption password at a command line prompt. It asks for the password it created with a UK keyboard layout to be entered using a US keyboard layout.
- on boot, it will use the US keyboard.
Yes, that is the problem.
- thus make sure you now, during install, use keys that are the same both in the US keyboard and your local one.
Yes, you learn this the hard way. You learn that when opensuse installer offers you an option to choose your local langauge and local keyboard layout from a dropdown list of international options, you should refuse the offer. Because the only way to install opensuse if you use a complex encryption password is if you choose US language and layout. It is not possible to choose your local layout and then type only keys compatible with the US layout. Nobody besides Lou Gerster himself has that degree of knowledge about key-level compatibilities of international IBM keyboard layouts.
So with the exception of those who speak North American, opensuse forces everyone in the entire world to endure a hellish install and enourages them to use an insecure encryption password. cheers. mb. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 23/07/2014 09:44, Mark Ballard a écrit :
if you know what was the initial keyboard, it's not too difficult to find it's map and to understand what is your equivalent (eventually with a live cd if you have only one computer) I have such table somewhere on my desk for casual use. this don't mean you have to do it each time, but once it's possible jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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F***ing Googlemail's [...] collapsed email content appears too close to the send button. So when you might send it when you are trying to delete it. On 23 July 2014 09:47, Mark Ballard <markjballard@googlemail.com> wrote:
Dear jdd, this sounds like conceding to have your teeth pulled. Unless you are a computer programmer, or some sort of dalek. What about users? What about the regular people who are meant to be the intended beneficiaries of this software? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 23/07/2014 18:32, Mark Ballard a écrit :
if you *install* a linux distribution, you are not a simple user... jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
if you *install* a linux distribution, you are not a simple user...
Aha! This may be partially true. But all things are relative. And claims that linux had become suitable for non-technical users were what enticed me to begin using it some six years ago. I still labour under/for that dream/illusion. Every word I ever uttered in any linux list or forum then and since - every oath and mockery (and trumpery) has been for its sake and for the sake of those people who I know might one day use linux if it didn't so often go kaput. Paarp. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
That is precisely the problem. You cannot open the file system once. If you set the system up with a complex password on a non-US keyboard, you learn that you cannot open the system at all. The only solution is to reinstall the system using a temprorary password that works in both in opensuse's default US keyboard layout and your own international keyboard. Only then can you get into the system and use the luks procedure to add a proper password and delete the temporary one. Clearly, this is ridiculous.
I'm not sure of that install phase,
It is the last thing in the install phase: the bit where you login to your new system. It asks for its disk encryption password at a command line prompt. It asks for the password it created with a UK keyboard layout to be entered using a US keyboard layout.
- on boot, it will use the US keyboard.
Yes, that is the problem.
- thus make sure you now, during install, use keys that are the same both in the US keyboard and your local one.
Yes, you learn this the hard way. You learn that when opensuse installer offers you an option to choose your local langauge and local keyboard layout from a dropdown list of international options, you should refuse the offer. Because the only way to install opensuse if you use a complex encryption password is if you choose US language and layout. It is not possible to choose your local layout and then type only keys compatible with the US layout. Nobody besides Lou Gerster himself has that degree of knowledge about key-level compatibilities of international IBM keyboard layouts.
So with the exception of those who speak North American, opensuse forces everyone in the entire world to endure a hellish install and enourages them to use an insecure encryption password. cheers. mb. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 23/07/2014 09:44, Mark Ballard a écrit :
if you know what was the initial keyboard, it's not too difficult to find it's map and to understand what is your equivalent (eventually with a live cd if you have only one computer) I have such table somewhere on my desk for casual use. this don't mean you have to do it each time, but once it's possible jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Mark Ballard Freelance journalist twitter.com/markjballard Best tel: +44(0)1474 566 118 Mob tel: +44(0)79 827 00815 markjballard@googlemail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Public Sector IT Blog: http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/public-sector/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- RSS updates: http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/public-sector/atom.xml ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- On 23 July 2014 09:32, jdd <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
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F***ing Googlemail's [...] collapsed email content appears too close to the send button. So when you might send it when you are trying to delete it. On 23 July 2014 09:47, Mark Ballard <markjballard@googlemail.com> wrote:
Dear jdd, this sounds like conceding to have your teeth pulled. Unless you are a computer programmer, or some sort of dalek. What about users? What about the regular people who are meant to be the intended beneficiaries of this software? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 23/07/2014 18:32, Mark Ballard a écrit :
if you *install* a linux distribution, you are not a simple user... jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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