[opensuse] Printer Recommendation?
Hi Folks, After completing a rather arduous install* of 11.0 on a new HP m9340f desktop, I'm left with a printer issue. I purchased a nice Canon MX7600 multi-function printer knowing full well I'd probably have problems. I figured I'd at least be able to print to it, but no! This Canon is as proprietary as they come. This is ok, I'm able to use it via VirtualBox and Win-XP and the stand-alone fax and copier are valuable. So I'll keep the printer. But this leaves me still needing a printer I can use directly from 11.0 with cups. Can anyone recommend a fairly good color printer that will work well with cups? A network interface is also desirable. Thanks for any suggestions, Lew * footnote: My install problems were interesting indeed. First, I ran into the reiserfs freeze-up problem. I've made a few other 11.0 reiserfs installs without issue, but this one bit me in the nether regions. Must be something with the mobo or cpu (Core 2 quad) configuration. The install would finish, then freeze up after a variable amount of time. Then, the on-board NIC (Realtek) was unreliable. At times it wouldn't be seen by the install process, and when it did install it would spin off billions of RX overrun and some read errors. Readtek had an updated driver that I compiled in, but still no joy. This wasn't a SuSE problem, Knoppix showed the same symptoms. The fix for the NIC was to install a D-Link PCI-e x1 NIC and to ditch reiserfs in favor of ext3. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Lew Wolfgang
Hi Folks,
After completing a rather arduous install* of 11.0 on a new HP m9340f desktop, I'm left with a printer issue. I purchased a nice Canon MX7600 multi-function printer knowing full well I'd probably have problems. I figured I'd at least be able to print to it, but no! This Canon is as proprietary as they come. This is ok, I'm able to use it via VirtualBox and Win-XP and the stand-alone fax and copier are valuable. So I'll keep the printer.
But this leaves me still needing a printer I can use directly from 11.0 with cups. Can anyone recommend a fairly good color printer that will work well with cups? A network interface is also desirable.
Most of the HP All-In-One 7xxx series have these capabilities and the hplip software also allows you to use the scanner and fax facilities flawlessly in Opensuse. -- ----------JSA--------- Someone stole my tag line, so now I have this rental. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Lew Wolfgang wrote:
Hi Folks,
But this leaves me still needing a printer I can use directly from 11.0 with cups. Can anyone recommend a fairly good color printer that will work well with cups? A network interface is also desirable.
Thanks for any suggestions, Lew
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Buy HP. I don't consider CANON or LEXMARK printers/multifunction devices to be Linux-friendly. For my printer needs I use HP. Epson and to some extend Samsung are good. Here you can search database of supported printers. http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/OpenPrinting My next multifunction device will be HP CM1312. Specs says it is Linux-supported. Best Regards Kari Laine -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 31 August 2008 14:48, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
Hi Folks,
After completing a rather arduous install* of 11.0 on a new HP m9340f desktop, I'm left with a printer issue. I purchased a nice Canon MX7600 multi-function printer knowing full well I'd probably have problems. I figured I'd at least be able to print to it, but no! This Canon is as proprietary as they come. This is ok, I'm able to use it via VirtualBox and Win-XP and the stand-alone fax and copier are valuable. So I'll keep the printer.
But this leaves me still needing a printer I can use directly from 11.0 with cups. Can anyone recommend a fairly good color printer that will work well with cups? A network interface is also desirable.
Thanks for any suggestions, Lew
The HP Deskjet 970Cxi works with Suse 9.3, so I assume it will work with later versions. It's a color printer, and will print both sides of the page. I don't know if they still make it. It has both parallel and USB inputs. There is no connection to a network, however. You would have to do that with the computers. --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Lew Wolfgang skrev:
Hi Folks,
--cut out--- My 2 cents... I nearly always go with Brother Lasers, both colour and b/w. - the do a thing they call BrotherScript a ka postscript. This has proven to work flawlessly on just any Linux distro I throw in. -- ------------------------------ Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard Novell Certified Linux Professional 10035701 http://www.os-academy.dk "There are 10 types of people; those who understand binary, and those who don't" ------------------------------ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 01 September 2008 16:07:50 Verner Kjærsgaard wrote: ...
I nearly always go with Brother Lasers, both colour and b/w. - the do a thing they call BrotherScript a ka postscript. This has proven to work flawlessly on just any Linux distro I throw in.
Same here. Brother HL2700 colour laser. Pay more for the printer, pay half price per sheet for the toner, if you care to do the maths. Works like a treat on openSUSE 10.3 and 11, 32 and 64 bit. Diego -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 3:08 AM, Diego Tognola
On Monday 01 September 2008 16:07:50 Verner Kjærsgaard wrote: ...
I nearly always go with Brother Lasers, both colour and b/w. - the do a thing they call BrotherScript a ka postscript. This has proven to work flawlessly on just any Linux distro I throw in.
Same here. Brother HL2700 colour laser. Pay more for the printer, pay half price per sheet for the toner, if you care to do the maths. Works like a treat on openSUSE 10.3 and 11, 32 and 64 bit.
I have a Brother MFC-465cn... it was one of the cheapest (approx $120) all-in-one device for sale. I mainly use it as a fax machine but I can scan through the ADF (or glass) in openSuSE and also print. Brother provides RPM drivers, I only had to copy a file (/usr/lib/.... to /usr/lib64) due to running 64-bit SuSE but it runs fine without any tweaks on 32-bit. Obviously from a $120 inkjet device you aren't going to get the best color printing, but the software support for Linux is excellent, it has a built-in Ethernet port and it's memory card slots are even accessable via FTP.
Lew Wolfgang wrote:
My install problems were interesting indeed. First, I ran into the reiserfs freeze-up problem. I've made a few other 11.0 reiserfs installs without issue, but this one bit me in the nether regions. Must be something with the mobo or cpu (Core 2 quad) configuration. The install would finish, then freeze up after a variable amount of time. Then, the on-board NIC (Realtek) was unreliable. At times it wouldn't be seen by the install process, and when it did install it would spin off billions of RX overrun and some read errors. Readtek had an updated driver that I compiled in, but still no joy. This wasn't a SuSE problem, Knoppix showed the same symptoms. The fix for the NIC was to install a D-Link PCI-e x1 NIC and to ditch reiserfs in favor of ext3.
Hi, if your NIC used the r8169 driver, https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=412823 has a link to a patched 32 bit kernel that works. r8169 is eventually fixed in the 2.6.27.rc2 kernel, I don't know why the patched kernel hasn't found its way into 11.0 update yet. Regards Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Aug 31 11:48 Lew Wolfgang wrote (shortened):
... needing a printer I can use directly from 11.0 with cups. Can anyone recommend a fairly good color printer that will work well with cups? A network interface is also desirable.
In gereneral see http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Purchasing_a_Printer_and_Compatibility http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/OpenPrinting/Database/SuggestedPrinters http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/OpenPrinting/Database/LinuxSupportByPrinte... Regarding HP: HP is currently the only manufacturer who provides a free software driver package for printers and all-in-one devices which we provide since a very long time in Suse Linux and openSUSE, see http://hplip.sourceforge.net/ Carefully check http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/index.html in particular http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/unsupported.html It is crucial to have exact model names because small differences in model names can make big differences regarding support status. E.g. LaserJet 1018 and 1020 are only supported by a newer HPLIP and require a proprietary binary-only plug in, see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=342704 but LaserJet 1015 and 1022 are supported even by old HPLIP and Color LaserJet 2600 is not supported by newest HPLIP but Color LaserJet 2500 is supported even by old HPLIP and Color LaserJet 2605 is PostScript and doesn't require HPLIP at all. Regarding all-in-one devices: HP stand-alone scanners are not very well supported, see http://www.sane-project.org/cgi-bin/driver.pl?manu=hp in contrast to scanners in HP all-in-one devices, see http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/index.html Regarding network devices: Third-party printserver boxes usually support only simple unidirectional data transfer from the PC to the printer. Therefore plain printing usually works - but even for plain printing there is no guarantee, see for example https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=217215 Usually nothing else (e.g. scanning, sending faxes) works with non-HP printserver boxes. Best network support can be expected when there is a HP built-in network card which matches exactly to the model i.e. where HP offers the model with a built-in network card out-of-the-box and when the technical data sheet of HP claims network support for Unix-like operating systems. See the info at HP: http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/combined.html 1): Network support indicates built-in ethernet and/or wireless networking. Alternatively, many devices may be operated on the network using an external JetDirect print server. Not all network configurations are supported. Please refer to the HPLIP FAQs for more information. http://hplip.sourceforge.net/faqs.html Question: What network print servers are supported? Answer: Currently we have only tested HP JetDirect devices with HPLIP. No other network print servers are supported. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 3:14 AM, Johannes Meixner
Regarding HP:
HP is currently the only manufacturer who provides a free software driver package for printers and all-in-one devices which we provide since a very long time in Suse Linux and openSUSE, see http://hplip.sourceforge.net/
Carefully check http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/index.html in particular http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/unsupported.html
Correction: HP is the only manufacturer which provides a driver package with a license agreement that is compabible with the openSUSE license, hence it can be included on the install DVD. Brother, which I mentioned in my last post, provide drivers at no cost (not even ask for an email address) in RPM format. 1 RPM for SANE scanner drivers and another RPM for CUPS printer drivers. Install the RPM and no further configuration is needed. I've tested these for various printers under 10.1, 10.3 & 11.0 and they all work, except for 64-bit distros needing to move a single file from /usr/lib... to /usr/lib64... I think you should clarify when you post "free" what exactly that word means in your context. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Sep 2 13:24 Andrew Joakimsen wrote:
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 3:14 AM, Johannes Meixner
wrote: Regarding HP:
HP is currently the only manufacturer who provides a free software driver package for printers and all-in-one devices which we provide since a very long time in Suse Linux and openSUSE, see http://hplip.sourceforge.net/
Carefully check http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/index.html in particular http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/unsupported.html
Correction: HP is the only manufacturer which provides a driver package with a license agreement that is compabible with the openSUSE license, hence it can be included on the install DVD.
Brother, which I mentioned in my last post, provide drivers at no cost (not even ask for an email address) in RPM format. 1 RPM for SANE scanner drivers and another RPM for CUPS printer drivers. Install the RPM and no further configuration is needed. I've tested these for various printers under 10.1, 10.3 & 11.0 and they all work, except for 64-bit distros needing to move a single file from /usr/lib... to /usr/lib64...
I think you should clarify when you post "free" what exactly that word means in your context.
What "free software" means (I didn't write only "free", I wrote explicitely "free software") in particular in the context of GNU/Linux is perfectly clear. In particular the Brother driver is no free software and therefore a Brother printer which needs this driver cannot work out-of-the-box for Suse Linux or openSUSE simply because we cannot provide the driver "in the box" so that the user must manually download and install it. For example this driver does not install well on all hardware architectuers in contrast to free software which we provide "in the box", read http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Information_for_Printer_Manufacturers_Regarding_L... Of course you are free to buy whatever proprietary hardware and use whatever proprietary driver you like - except you have a support contract with us - then it depends on the particular proprietary driver if it might even invalidate certain parts of the support contract (e.g. a proprietary kernel module might invalidate support for kernel issues). When you use a proprietary driver you can ask only where you got the proprietary stuff for support or for a driver package for non-Intel-32-bit platforms (often a simple move doesn't help - e.g. see the IScan mess for 64-bit). Therefore please do not recommend proprietary stuff here without an explicite note that it is proprietary stuff. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 3:35 AM, Johannes Meixner
I think you should clarify when you post "free" what exactly that word means in your context.
What "free software" means (I didn't write only "free", I wrote explicitely "free software") in particular in the context of GNU/Linux is perfectly clear.
Well it's not free Hardware, it's not free Beer, it's not a free Airplane, it's obviously software. There really isn't any other way to describe it. I think it's obvious I understood the meaning of your posting -- but others might not know what precisely you meant by "free."
In particular the Brother driver is no free software and therefore a Brother printer which needs this driver cannot work out-of-the-box for Suse Linux or openSUSE simply because we cannot provide the driver "in the box" so that the user must manually download and install it.
For example this driver does not install well on all hardware architectuers in contrast to free software which we provide "in the box", read http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Information_for_Printer_Manufacturers_Regarding_L...
"this driver" Which driver is that?
Of course you are free to buy whatever proprietary hardware and use whatever proprietary driver you like - except you have a support contract with us - then it depends on the particular proprietary driver if it might even invalidate certain parts of the support contract (e.g. a proprietary kernel module might invalidate support for kernel issues).
When you use a proprietary driver you can ask only where you got the proprietary stuff for support or for a driver package for non-Intel-32-bit platforms (often a simple move doesn't help - e.g. see the IScan mess for 64-bit).
If I am not mistaken that issue is with Epson hardware. I did not post regarding Epson hardware. With the Brother hardware the solution is indeed "a simple move.". I never said that is the case for every piece of software that does not work on a 64-bit distribution.
Therefore please do not recommend proprietary stuff here without an explicite note that it is proprietary stuff.
And please don't tout HP as being the *ONLY* hardware vendor "who provides a free software driver package" without an explicit notice that you mean "free as in liberty" and not "free as in beer." The ironic thing is HP provides such great Linux drivers yet their Windows drivers are quite possibly the worst. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 04:33 -0400, Andrew Joakimsen wrote:
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 3:35 AM, Johannes Meixner
wrote: I think you should clarify when you post "free" what exactly that word means in your context.
What "free software" means (I didn't write only "free", I wrote explicitely "free software") in particular in the context of GNU/Linux is perfectly clear.
Perhaps it should be called 'open source'/ 'closed source' instead of 'free'/'proprietary'. Meaning that the source is available. Which usually means that it can be compiled locally and distributed, as long as the licenses are adhered to. 'free'/'proprietary' have too many other possible meanings. And the terms 'open source'/ 'closed source' are already used in this context. So why not just use them. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 And remember: It is RSofT and there is always something under construction. It is like talking about large city with all constructions finished. Not impossible, but very unlikely. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Sep 3 11:23 Roger Oberholtzer wrote (shortened):
On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 04:33 -0400, Andrew Joakimsen wrote:
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 3:35 AM, Johannes Meixner
wrote: I think you should clarify when you post "free" what exactly that word means in your context.
What "free software" means (I didn't write only "free", I wrote explicitely "free software") in particular in the context of GNU/Linux is perfectly clear.
Perhaps it should be called 'open source'/ 'closed source' instead of 'free'/'proprietary'.
Strictly speaking "open source" is not necessarily "free software" but "free software" implies "open source (code)". To maximise the "Confusion of tongues": "Free software" is of course not "freeware". For example the Brother driver is "freeware" which is neither "free software" nor "open source software". But we are off-topic. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
participants (10)
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Andrew Joakimsen
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Dave Plater
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Diego Tognola
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Doug McGarrett
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Johannes Meixner
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John Andersen
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Kari Laine
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Lew Wolfgang
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Roger Oberholtzer
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Verner Kjærsgaard