On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 04:00:40AM -0400, jfweber@eternal.net wrote:

******* Where does a newborn go from here? The Net is Vast, and Infinate...******** Hi wizards,

I am setting up a couple of llnux boxes for some little kids ( 6 & 7 ) ANd there is a wee problem w/ the "time" function ( Suse7.1 ) I choose "local" rather than gmt during the setup , whihc *should* in theory give me 12 hr clock , no?

Wrong. These items are not even related. Local in this part relates to your hardware clock or RTC in your BIOS. You told during the setup that you keep your clock in your BIOS in localtime (bad boy!) and not in UTC (as you should!). Do yourself a favour and keep it in UTC (or if you like, I will keep calling it GMT). Then you don't have to worry about summer time, winter time and things like that. You are refering to the display format of the time. For this you have to set the LC_TIME variable (see: man locale and man -k locale). Programs *may* use this variable to display messages in a locally format. Regards, Cees.

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 jfweber@eternal.net wrote: j> ******* Where does a newborn go from here? The Net is Vast, and j> Infinate...******** j> Hi wizards, j> j> I am setting up a couple of llnux boxes for some little kids ( 6 & 7 ) j> ANd there is a wee problem w/ the "time" function ( Suse7.1 ) I choose j> "local" rather than gmt during the setup , whihc *should* in theory j> give me 12 hr clock , no? Well it doesn't I've even reinstalled it, I j> dont get error messages or anything like that I just get a 24 hr clock j> that starts w/ time in the afternoon, say , set at 4 pm , and it acts as j> if it's 04:00, apparently. These kids barely have a concept of time at j> all , one has juts learned to "tell" time at school, where the teacher j> is NOT interested in having to "deal w/ translating the time so she can j> see if assignments are completed " You don't mention if your using a window manager or not, I'm assuming you are and that it's KDE. If this is the case, then I need to point out that the clock isn't big enough to show the AM/PM fields as well as the hour and minutes within the display. But you can still modify the time format so that printouts will display the correct time format of your choice. First off, in the Panel menu at the bottom, look for the icon that looks like a monitor with a green board to the left, this is the control center icon where all the configuration settings can be made. Click it and the first screen should tell you which version of KDE your using. I havn't yet installed SuSE 7.1 (even though I've had the box sitting here for a month or more) so I'm not sure which version comes with SuSE 7.1 at this time. Anyway, if your using KDE2.1.X then it's an easy enough fix to change the time format. Since your already in the Control Center,just do the following: 1. Select the 'Personalization' icon 2. Select the 'Country & Language' icon when it's visible 3. Select the 'Time & dates' tab in the right window pane 4. Modify time format entry field as appropriate - current setting should be %H:%M:%S which can be change to any combinations of the following %H hour (00..23) %I hour (01..12) %k hour ( 0..23) %l hour ( 1..12) %M minute (00..59) %p locale's AM or PM %S second (00..60) %T time, 24-hour (hh:mm:ss) There's additional options available but they don't address the clock time as you want. What you probably want to use though is the following %l:%M:%S %p which will give you the following 4:10:12 PM j> any ideas ?? the one that still has windows on it doesn't have any j> problems w/ "keeping" time , It seems to maintain it's setting and give j> me a correct reading , so I dont believe it's the computer itself. I'd j> like to find one of those "atomic clock sites" to keep the thing "on j> time" but first I have to get past this leetle problem ... however, if j> anyone knows a good site and would like to send it to me directly I j> woulnd't be unhapy at all.. <G> j> As far as a time server, you will need to install xntp (which is available on the CD's) then modify the /etc/rc.config file entries which look like the following (as root mind) # # Start XNTPD? (yes/no) # START_XNTPD="yes" # # Usually it's a good idea to get the current time and date # from some other ntp server, before xntpd is started. # If we should do so, provide a space-separated list of # ntp servers to query. # XNTPD_INITIAL_NTPDATE="tick.ucla.edu ntp0.sdd.hp.com" You'll probably want to locate closer sites then the two I show above, but they should at least get you started. After the modifications type the following: rcxntpd start to start the xntpd program or restart if that's your fancy. Two final things, at this time, there has been a security advisory about xntpd, you should chack the manuals about doing an update within yast and have the update installed. Lastly, some feel that you should get in touch with the owners of certain timeservers and request usage of their server. It's not always required, but it's a courtesy to the admin of said server. j> Extra Karma points for whomever solves the puzzel !!! ( of the time, j> not the teacher, she is beyond hope, as are most of the schools in that j> area, and the kids parents can't afford private schools <sigh>) j> The computer is my "little trick" to keep the school from doping the j> little boy to the eyeballs .. when all he needs is patience , he is fine j> using the 'education" games on the playstation ... , for instance .. j> sooooooo , I'm going to try to catch that little bit of lightning in a j> bottle and give him a computer ... Which he loves to play w/ as well. AS j> for the little girl ?? She's a dreamer, and I dont want to see her j> squelched either ... j> j> Blondely, j> j> j j> j> afterthought--- Consciousness: That annoying time between naps. j> j> -- S.Toms - tomas@primenet.com - www.primenet.com/~tomas SuSE Linux v7.0+ - Kernel 2.2.18 Rule of Creative Research: (1) Never draw what you can copy. (2) Never copy what you can trace. (3) Never trace what you can cut out and paste down.