Hello, I'm trying to take a little impromptu poll here... Who on this list has an nVidia GeForce2/3 card, is running the "real" nVidia drivers, and is experiencing system lockups? I had a pretty damned bad one the night before last. Check this out.. I exited WindowMaker to the shell prompt, and my system froze. It was doing absolutely nothing, except closing down the X server, with no applications running. I exited normally.. none of this ctrl+alt+backspace stuff.. so it should have just given me a prompt back and been fine. Not so here.. I couldn't type, keyboard numlock/capslock was unresponsive, and ssh'ing into the box revealed that I could reboot it, but could *not* get display output/keyboard input back. So if you are getting random lockups and have an nVidia card, let me know. If there are more than a few of you, then I know it's probably the driver. If not, it might be my card, or I may be way off base (hey.. wouldn't be a first ;-)) and it's something completely different. To finish the story -- after booting back up, I noticed that WindowMaker was segfaulting upon startup. I checked the config files, and there was part of an EMAIL message from my /var/spool/mail/ashari file at the top of the WMState configuration file! On top of that, my /var/spool/mail/ashari file was missing part of an email message at the top of the file! Obviously, something accessed something wrong during the lockup... and my email program wasn't even running! Who knows.. it could be bad memory or something. Anyone know of a good way to test my system memory? Thanks for any help, Steven
On 16 Jan 2002, Steven Hatfield wrote: sh> Hello, sh> I'm trying to take a little impromptu poll here... sh> sh> Who on this list has an nVidia GeForce2/3 card, is running the "real" sh> nVidia drivers, and is experiencing system lockups? sh> Take a look in the archives for the posts dealing with the following: Geforce3 Ti and the Black Screen of Death a few users have reported this solves the problem, mine has made it better but not 100%, whereas before it would lockup every single time I logout, now it only locks up roughly 1:10 sometimes even less so. I'd recommend taking a look at those past mails, they should either solve or come near to making it better. I'm using a 16mb Viper which sax/sax2 recognize and use the nVidia RIVA TNT2/TNT2 driver sets. Whether this is correct or not I havn't confirmed, but that's what's chosen by the X configuration tools I've tried. sh> I had a pretty damned bad one the night before last. Check this out.. sh> sh> I exited WindowMaker to the shell prompt, and my system froze. It was sh> doing absolutely nothing, except closing down the X server, with no sh> applications running. I exited normally.. none of this sh> ctrl+alt+backspace stuff.. so it should have just given me a prompt back sh> and been fine. Not so here.. I couldn't type, keyboard numlock/capslock sh> was unresponsive, and ssh'ing into the box revealed that I could reboot sh> it, but could *not* get display output/keyboard input back. sh> sh> So if you are getting random lockups and have an nVidia card, let me sh> know. If there are more than a few of you, then I know it's probably the sh> driver. If not, it might be my card, or I may be way off base (hey.. sh> wouldn't be a first ;-)) and it's something completely different. sh> sh> To finish the story -- after booting back up, I noticed that WindowMaker sh> was segfaulting upon startup. I checked the config files, and there was sh> part of an EMAIL message from my /var/spool/mail/ashari file at the top sh> of the WMState configuration file! On top of that, my sh> /var/spool/mail/ashari file was missing part of an email message at the sh> top of the file! Obviously, something accessed something wrong during sh> the lockup... and my email program wasn't even running! Who knows.. it sh> could be bad memory or something. Anyone know of a good way to test my sh> system memory? sh> sh> Thanks for any help, sh> Steven sh> sh> sh> sh> sh> -- S.Toms - smotrs@mindspring.com - www.mindspring.com/~smotrs SuSE Linux v7.2+ - Kernel 2.4.4 The idea is to die young as late as possible. -- Ashley Montagu
On Wed, 2002-01-16 at 21:04, S.Toms wrote:
On 16 Jan 2002, Steven Hatfield wrote:
sh> Hello, sh> I'm trying to take a little impromptu poll here... sh> sh> Who on this list has an nVidia GeForce2/3 card, is running the "real" sh> nVidia drivers, and is experiencing system lockups? sh>
Take a look in the archives for the posts dealing with the following:
Geforce3 Ti and the Black Screen of Death
--snip-- So it's not just me after all... hrmph. I have a better idea. Yank the p.o.s. out of the machine and replace it with a card that doesn't lock up. I have a spare Matrox G400 around here somewhere.. now where's my screwdriver?! :-) -Steven
Shucks, I'm running the original GeForce 256 and I have problems. With 3D enabled, Konqueror as a file manager freezes with strange flickering of the right side scroll bar. Any attempt to change the video configuration through YaST or SaX results in a "black screen of death" Alas, Nvidia and Linux just don't like each other. Any ideas from others concerning a different brand of card that works reliably with SuSE Linux? I had been thinking of upgrading to a newer GeForce, but after all of these comments, I don't think so . . . Mike R
-----Original Message----- From: Steven Hatfield [mailto:ashari@knightswood.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 8:08 PMs To: SuSE Linux English Subject: Re: [SLE] Re: nVidia Cards and Lockups
On 16 Jan 2002, Steven Hatfield wrote:
sh> Hello, sh> I'm trying to take a little impromptu poll here... sh> sh> Who on this list has an nVidia GeForce2/3 card, is running
On Wed, 2002-01-16 at 21:04, S.Toms wrote: the "real"
sh> nVidia drivers, and is experiencing system lockups? sh>
Take a look in the archives for the posts dealing with the following:
Geforce3 Ti and the Black Screen of Death
--snip--
So it's not just me after all... hrmph. I have a better idea. Yank the p.o.s. out of the machine and replace it with a card that doesn't lock up.
I have a spare Matrox G400 around here somewhere.. now where's my screwdriver?! :-)
-Steven
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Well, I have the same Diamond Viper 770 TNT2 Ultra card that I've had since Xmas 1999 and it works perfectly with Linux. I've only had issues if I run KDM/XDM which ARE SO unnessassary it isn't even funny. I have just about every 3D game loki has put out and I even play a Burgertime clone (yes, I'm old..and a sucker for this game *shrug*) and I never have any issues. I've played Soldier of Fortune for as much as 10 hours straight online and never had even so much as a slow down. There must be a common cause for all these issues such as KDM...because I doubt I am all that special that I can get this stuff to run great. I've configured 3 of my co-workers machines that have nVidia cards and they haven't reported so much as a minor hiccup...and one of them has a brand new Dell 8100 laptop with a GeForce GO chipset in it. The Dell did have issues with APM w/ 2.4.10 but installing 2.4.16 fixed this right up. I would love to see nVidia's take on all this and do people have just as many issues with nVidia under other OS's..such as Mac and Windows. It just seems strange to me. * Mike Reith (reith@bigfoot.com) [020117 17:12]: ->Shucks, I'm running the original GeForce 256 and I have problems. With 3D ->enabled, Konqueror as a file manager freezes with strange flickering of the ->right side scroll bar. Any attempt to change the video configuration through ->YaST or SaX results in a "black screen of death" -> ->Alas, Nvidia and Linux just don't like each other. Any ideas from others ->concerning a different brand of card that works reliably with SuSE Linux? I ->had been thinking of upgrading to a newer GeForce, but after all of these ->comments, I don't think so . . . -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message...
Hi, If I boot to CD-ROM, then reboot, my LILO boot sector is messed up on the hard drive and I get the 'LI' error. Has anyone else seen this kind of problem? My systems Hard drive and CD-ROM are both SCSI, if that helps. -- Nick Webb http://www.uidaho.edu/~nickw/
Do you have /boot formatted with reiserfs? - Alexey. _____ < http://trelony.cjb.net/ > Alexey N. Solofnenko < http://www.inventigo.com/ > Inventigo LLC Pleasant Hill, CA (GMT-8 usually)
On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 10:43:46PM -0800, Alexey N. Solofnenko wrote:
Do you have /boot formatted with reiserfs? Nope, but it's the only partition that isn't (/boot is ext2). I didn't think LILO would work at all with reiserfs, am I wrong?
- Alexey. _____
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It works on my computer, but reiserfs should be loaded in initrd. - Alexey. _____ < http://trelony.cjb.net/ > Alexey N. Solofnenko < http://www.inventigo.com/ > Inventigo LLC Pleasant Hill, CA (GMT-8 usually)
On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:38:23 -0800, Ben Rosenberg
straight online and never had even so much as a slow down. There must be a common cause for all these issues such as KDM...because I doubt I am
I don't think it's KDM. I'm running Enlightenment alone, started directly from text mode, and I've had freezes too, wierd stuff like I can't do anything but move the mouse cursor around. I have a Geforce2 GTS card. Just installed XF86 4.1.0, though, and so far so good, but it's too soon to be sure. . . . --Jason Van Cleve
On Fri, 2002-01-18 at 01:03, Jason A.Van Cleve wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:38:23 -0800, Ben Rosenberg
said: straight online and never had even so much as a slow down. There must be a common cause for all these issues such as KDM...because I doubt I am
I don't think it's KDM. I'm running Enlightenment alone, started directly from text mode, and I've had freezes too, wierd stuff like I can't do anything but move the mouse cursor around. I have a Geforce2 GTS card. Just installed XF86 4.1.0, though, and so far so good, but it's too soon to be sure. . . .
--Jason Van Cleve
Yep, exactly what I'm experiencing - run level 3 with WindowMaker -- only able to move the mouse cursor around. I did figure out that I can ssh into the box from another machine that I have, and reboot that way... but it just feels so... Windows. I just wish I could afford an ATI Radeon 8500 :) -Steven
Well, lets see. Unreal Tournament, when playing offline, will crash after 5 or 6 map changes - never did this before. I'm not sure that's it's so much nVidia drivers as the KDE updates. Last night, while in konsole, I typed "id <username> and the gui locked up hard - had to warm boot/reset. Also, Kmail is finicky - will drop connections. Though my ISP (charter.net) had a mail server meltdown (I called national tech support and the help guy said all the IT Linux guys were cussing about f*&king Windows - ROFL). But even before this kmail didn't seem its former perky self. Konqi is also very slow - in some webpages where text input (i.e. slashdots slashback, etc...) the key inputs are painfully slow and delayed. This does not occur in Netscape, Moze, or Opera. Oh, and on the subject of my games. In Tribes2 you have both a "browser" tab for player and clan info and a "forums" page with basically the same function. After the updates going into these areas of the interface cause it to crash the game. And finally in Netscape in some sites - like www.teamwarefare.com will cause netscape to crash. In all these cases the programs just crash - no affect on the gui in general or any other programs. I see these as being any of 3 possibilities. It's nvidia drivers, KDE updated packages, or Java. Most likely it's a combination of how these packages interact IMHO. Cheers, Curtis On Friday 18 January 2002 06:34 am, Steven Hatfield wrote:
On Fri, 2002-01-18 at 01:03, Jason A.Van Cleve wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:38:23 -0800, Ben Rosenberg
said: straight online and never had even so much as a slow down. There must be a common cause for all these issues such as KDM...because I doubt I am
I don't think it's KDM. I'm running Enlightenment alone, started directly from text mode, and I've had freezes too, wierd stuff like I can't do anything but move the mouse cursor around. I have a Geforce2 GTS card. Just installed XF86 4.1.0, though, and so far so good, but it's too soon to be sure. . . .
--Jason Van Cleve
Yep, exactly what I'm experiencing - run level 3 with WindowMaker -- only able to move the mouse cursor around.
I did figure out that I can ssh into the box from another machine that I have, and reboot that way... but it just feels so... Windows.
I just wish I could afford an ATI Radeon 8500 :)
-Steven
On Thu, 2002-01-17 at 19:58, Mike Reith wrote:
Shucks, I'm running the original GeForce 256 and I have problems. With 3D enabled, Konqueror as a file manager freezes with strange flickering of the right side scroll bar. Any attempt to change the video configuration through YaST or SaX results in a "black screen of death"
Alas, Nvidia and Linux just don't like each other. Any ideas from others concerning a different brand of card that works reliably with SuSE Linux? I had been thinking of upgrading to a newer GeForce, but after all of these comments, I don't think so . . .
Mike R
-----Original Message----- From: Steven Hatfield [mailto:ashari@knightswood.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 8:08 PMs To: SuSE Linux English Subject: Re: [SLE] Re: nVidia Cards and Lockups
On 16 Jan 2002, Steven Hatfield wrote:
sh> Hello, sh> I'm trying to take a little impromptu poll here... sh> sh> Who on this list has an nVidia GeForce2/3 card, is running
On Wed, 2002-01-16 at 21:04, S.Toms wrote: the "real"
sh> nVidia drivers, and is experiencing system lockups? sh>
Take a look in the archives for the posts dealing with the following:
Geforce3 Ti and the Black Screen of Death
--snip--
So it's not just me after all... hrmph. I have a better idea. Yank the p.o.s. out of the machine and replace it with a card that doesn't lock up.
I have a spare Matrox G400 around here somewhere.. now where's my screwdriver?! :-)
-Steven
Well, I just installed a Matrox G400 32MB Dual Head card that I had in a drawer, and I'm petty impressed with Matrox's MGA PowerDesk software! The installation procedure was easy. 1) Go out to: http://www.matrox.com/mga/support/drivers/files/linux_09.cfm ...and download the newest mga driver and mga powerdesk software for Linux. Do not install them yet, as SaX2 in step 5 will probably replace the newer mga driver with the older one. 2) If your machine is set to bring up X at bootup, you need to set the machine to boot up in run level 3 in /etc/inittab (networking w/o X). The line you are looking for is "id:5:initdefault:" if you don't already know. Just change the 5 to a 3. If you are running SuSE, the /etc/rc.config file might be set to automagically change your inittab back to runlevel 5... so you might want to edit it and change: CHECK_INITTAB="yes" to CHECK_INITTAB="no" and run /sbin/SuSEconfig as root. 3) Copy your /etc/X11/XF86Config to /etc/X11/XF86Config.nVidia 4) Shut down the machine, yank the GeForce card out of the system and toss it aside while looking disgusted. 4) Put in the Matrox card and boot up the machine. 5) Run /usr/X11R6/bin/SaX2 and follow the prompts. Configure your card (be careful here ;-)) and bring up X to ensure that all is well at this point. Gawk at how far off to one side the image is *LOL*. SaX2 will want to install the xf86_glx rpm, so make sure to have your SuSE disc available. 6) Exit out of X, and install the mga driver and powerdesk software. This is very painless, as the README files are very helpful, and Matrox has included an install script with the driver. 7) Bring up X (startx from the shell prompt, for those that haven't run X from the prompt before), and run mgapdesk as root. Configure your X server so that the image displays properly. 8) Suddenly realize that Linux CAN be easy! NOTE: For some unknown reason, the Matrox G550 32MB DDR equipped dual head video card is found to be less expensive by pricewatch than the older G400 card. It's a whopping $91. If you have any questions, just let me know. Have a great day, Steven
Steven Hatfield wrote:
On Thu, 2002-01-17 at 19:58, Mike Reith wrote:
Alas, Nvidia and Linux just don't like each other. Any ideas from others concerning a different brand of card that works reliably with SuSE Linux? I had been thinking of upgrading to a newer GeForce, but after all of these comments, I don't think so . . .
Mike R
The GeForce 2 has been a welcome exception among the Nvidia family, reliably detected by PnP with current linux kernels. Evidently, YMMV, even in Windows, what is installed automatically on one MOB may require setting up a separate driver installation floppy for another.
-- Tim Prince tprince@computer.org
I had similar problems with an Xtasy using nvidia's g-force 2 MX400 chipset. I dled the drivers and did most of the tweaking only to have my desktop (gnome+sawfish) only function if I turned the 3d off. After posting for a few days, I finally erased the AGP entries in 'etc/modules.conf' which seemed to fix the problem. I haven't had a hard lock-up since... On Wed, 2002-01-16 at 18:39, Steven Hatfield wrote:
Hello, I'm trying to take a little impromptu poll here...
Who on this list has an nVidia GeForce2/3 card, is running the "real" nVidia drivers, and is experiencing system lockups?
On Wed, 2002-01-16 at 19:39, Steven Hatfield wrote:
Who on this list has an nVidia GeForce2/3 card, is running the "real" nVidia drivers, and is experiencing system lockups?
Geforce2 MX running 2313 on SuSE 7.1...I havn't experienced any lockups since I changed my default init level from 5 to 3, but previous to that it locked once every 3 days or so. - David A. Riggs
participants (11)
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Alexey N. Solofnenko
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Ben Rosenberg
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Curtis Rey
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David A. Riggs
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Jason A.Van Cleve
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Me
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Mike Reith
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Nick Webb
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S.Toms
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Steven Hatfield
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Tim Prince