On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 11:16:16 -0400 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Basil Chupin [03-12-12 02:05]:

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I downloaded and installed Milestone #1 on a spare set of HDDs when MS #1 became available.

Several days ago I decided to actually switch to using MS #1 as my "main computer"[*].

I haven't had to return to my now-used-for-many-months 12.1 in all this time.

MS #1 works perfectly for me - and it works faster than 12.1 even though the HDDs I am using are ancient/slower than the ones on which I have 12.1 installed.

you *should* echo your accolades on the opensuse-factory list :^)

I also have 12.2ms1+ running on a test box.

I also am using 12.2-M1 only at the moment. Did run into one problem with "tracker" causing bottlenecks. This was solved by uninstalling "tracker" in Yast2 and rebooting. Oh, one other minor problem, any time I try to print from Firefox (10.0) it crashes. Haven't gotten down to perusing the logs yet. Tom -- Nobody grows old by merely living a number of years. People grow old only by deserting their ideals. - Douglas MacArthur **** Tom Taylor - retired penguin openSUSE 11.4 x86_64 openSUSE 12.1 x86_64 openSUSE 12.2-M# x86_64 KDE 4.6.00, FF 4.0 KDE 4.7.2, FF 8.0 KDE 4.7.9, FF 10.0 claws-mail 3.8.0 registered linux user 263467 linxt-At-comcast-DoT-net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 13/03/12 16:00, Basil Chupin wrote: [pruned]

(I also have to add that several days ago I mentioned that there is a new addon for Firefox called COLLUSION which gives a graphical display showing which site is providing cookies to other sites in order to track you. Well, with this COLLUSION installed Firefox immediately, do not pass Go do not collect $200, crashes. If anyone experiences this then delete in the Firefox Extensions the file jetpack.xpi.)

BC

For those who may be interested. Because there is no version 11 of Firefox (nor of Thunderbird) available as yet for openSUSE 12.1, I downloaded FF (and TB) v11 directly from Mozilla.org earlier today and installed it. Then I decided to try to see if Collusion would crash FF. Nope, Collusion does not crash FF v11. FF installed from openSUSE crashes with Collusion but FF from Mozilla.org is not affected by Collusion. I don't know what to conclude from this. BC -- The vulgar crowd always is taken by appearances, and the world consists chiefly of the vulgar. Niccolo Machiavelli -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 16/03/12 23:40, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Basil Chupin [03-16-12 01:13]:

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For those who may be interested.

Because there is no version 11 of Firefox (nor of Thunderbird) available as yet for openSUSE 12.1, I downloaded FF (and TB) v11 directly from Mozilla.org earlier today and installed it.

Then I decided to try to see if Collusion would crash FF.

Nope, Collusion does not crash FF v11.

FF installed from openSUSE crashes with Collusion but FF from Mozilla.org is not affected by Collusion.

I don't know what to conclude from this. conclusion: opensuse bug report warranted!

I am not sure that such a report is warranted to bugzilla as it may well be anther "incompatible" add-on with the problem caused at the add-on's end. The other thing is that this add-on is still in its development stage - and it is not all that well known. If other people start reporting the same problem then the case for a message to Bugzilla becomes stronger. But regarding reporting bugs, one of the very nice features of Mozilla, both Firefox and Thunderbird, is that both automatically generate a bug report when either has a problem and which is sent when you go to restart the application. No need for you to login to the Bugzilla site, go thru all the log-in procedure etc. Mozilla just prepares a report with all the necessary details and sends it back to Mozilla. BC -- The vulgar crowd always is taken by appearances, and the world consists chiefly of the vulgar. Niccolo Machiavelli -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 17/03/12 00:18, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Basil Chupin [03-16-12 09:12]:

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I am not sure that such a report is warranted to bugzilla as it may well be anther "incompatible" add-on with the problem caused at the add-on's end. The other thing is that this add-on is still in its development stage - and it is not all that well known. If other people start reporting the same problem then the case for a message to Bugzilla becomes stronger. toooo much thinking

I have been known to think on certain occasions - and too much quite often as well :-D .

If the bug is invalid, it will be denied.

A non-argument. From some posts I have read over the years even valid bugs have been marked as invalid :-) .

But regarding reporting bugs, one of the very nice features of Mozilla, both Firefox and Thunderbird, is that both automatically generate a bug report when either has a problem and which is sent when you go to restart the application. No need for you to login to the Bugzilla site, go thru all the log-in procedure etc. this is nice for mozilla

Yes, I think that it is very nice for the devs to have done some pro-active thinking and introduced this feature quite some time ago.

Mozilla just prepares a report with all the necessary details and sends it back to Mozilla. but does what for an opensuse problem? It is an "opensuse" version of a mozilla product which has the problem.

Perhaps ask the Mozilla people to have the auto bug reports also sent to openSUSE? BC -- The vulgar crowd always is taken by appearances, and the world consists chiefly of the vulgar. Niccolo Machiavelli -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 13/03/12 02:16, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Basil Chupin [03-12-12 02:05]:

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I downloaded and installed Milestone #1 on a spare set of HDDs when MS #1 became available.

Several days ago I decided to actually switch to using MS #1 as my "main computer"[*].

I haven't had to return to my now-used-for-many-months 12.1 in all this time.

MS #1 works perfectly for me - and it works faster than 12.1 even though the HDDs I am using are ancient/slower than the ones on which I have 12.1 installed.

you *should* echo your accolades on the opensuse-factory list :^)

I also have 12.2ms1+ running on a test box.

It would only get lost in The Zypper Overwrites Lines saga :-( . In any case, my post was to prod people who don't read Factory to try out Milestone #1 :-) . Those who do read Factory already know how 'good' it is: nobody has complained there :-) . (Yeah,yeah, I know....I'm ahead of you Patrick..... :-) .) BC -- The vulgar crowd always is taken by appearances, and the world consists chiefly of the vulgar. Niccolo Machiavelli -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 14/03/12 00:12, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Basil Chupin [03-13-12 00:44]:

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On 13/03/12 02:16, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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you *should* echo your accolades on the opensuse-factory list :^)

I also have 12.2ms1+ running on a test box. It would only get lost in The Zypper Overwrites Lines saga :-( . ?? unnecessary slam #1

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In any case, my post was to prod people who don't read Factory to try out Milestone #1 :-) . ?? unnecessary slam #2

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Those who do read Factory already know how 'good' it is: nobody has complained there :-) . ?? possibly #3 ??

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(Yeah,yeah, I know....I'm ahead of you Patrick..... :-) .) guess not, no real reason to pat anyone on the back for their unpaid and generally un-rewarded effords, and I'm sure the slams would not be appreciated. But that is your call/choice.

and I guess I am still *behind*.

Watcha talking about, Patrick, with all this "slams" rubbish? I wish you would stop being so paranoid about "slams" and "bad karmas" and such. I think that I did a much better "pat on the back for a job well done" by posting HERE rather than Factory because more people read THIS mail list than those who read Factory. And when I wrote, "Those who do read Factory already know how 'good' it is: nobody has complained there :-) ." followed by, "(Yeah,yeah, I know....I'm ahead of you Patrick..... :-) .)" I was expecting you to jump in and in your usual pedantic way respond with, "Of course there wouldn't be any complaints in Factory because complaints go to Bugzilla". So, you missed out on this one this time, didn't you? but instead worked the "slams" nonsense angle. BC -- The vulgar crowd always is taken by appearances, and the world consists chiefly of the vulgar. Niccolo Machiavelli -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* LLLActive@GMX.Net [03-16-12 17:00]:

I'd also like to try this on a VirtualBox installation as a user on usability and comparison to other OS's, and to also maybe address the issue discussed earlier about communication with developers. Would it not be more helpful at this early stage to start discussions, and not wait for final releases. The problem at the moment could be that there are no non-technical users trying out Milestones or are going to look at Factory. Should such users be attracted at this early stage? What are the experiences by developers? Is it helpful or is it more of a hindrance? Can non-technical users do the same as regular testers? Are the regular testers at openSUSE developers or technical-users? I think anyone can be a tester, but how can non-technical users be attracted to give feedback on usability etc. at an early stage.

You mention that M#2 should be here this week. I found a roadmap here: http://news.opensuse.org/2012/01/21/opensuse-11-3-eoled-12-2-on-the-way/. Here M#2 should be out on 3rd March - can't find it though. Was there a change of plan, or is there another roadmap?

This discussion belongs in factory where knowledgeable people can answer and advise. And, should you have been following factory, you would know that ms2 was delayed but should appear ~Monday. And there are *many* reasons for as many people as possible to use/try factory/12.2/ms2/ms3/... And for citing problems and for reporting via bugzilla difficulties and failures. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* Steven Hess [03-16-12 18:35]:

Where is the how-to on installing it and reporting problems? I have a machine that I can install it on.

the discussion belongs in opensuse-factory, you didn't understand: <quote> This discussion belongs in factory where knowledgeable people can answer and advise. And, should you have been following factory, you would know that ms2 was delayed but should appear ~Monday. </quote> but I'll tell you anyway. http://software.opensuse.org/developer/en further discussion *will* be in opensuse-factory! -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2012/03/16 15:34 (GMT-0700) Steven Hess composed:

Where is the how-to on installing it and reporting problems? I have a machine that I can install it on.

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