Q: Seeing as trying to get an NVidia card to work with SuSE is a cruel joke, what is the best alternative? Are ATI Radeon's any easier? I'm going through enough just to install 9.2 (mysterious "error occurred during installation"). To have to fight the NVidia install is exasperating. I'm willing to buy another card for simplicity's sake. -- <<JAV>>
On 17/11/04 02:01 PM, Joe Polk
Q: Seeing as trying to get an NVidia card to work with SuSE is a cruel joke, what is the best alternative? Are ATI Radeon's any easier? I'm going through enough just to install 9.2 (mysterious "error occurred during installation"). To have to fight the NVidia install is exasperating. I'm willing to buy another card for simplicity's sake.
Depends on what you mean by easier, I have both Nvidia (MX440 on a PVR) and Ati (9600 on the desktop), I dont have any issues with either when it comes to installing the proprietary drivers, it can be a pain if you update your kernel, requiring a complete reinstall of the drivers, but thats to be expected. If your not running a vanilla kernel then I'd recommend pulling the drivers off Suse X11 support site: http://www.suse.com/us/private/download/x11/index.html Regards, Ben
On Wednesday 17 November 2004 09:01, Joe Polk wrote:
Q: Seeing as trying to get an NVidia card to work with SuSE is a cruel joke, what is the best alternative? Are ATI Radeon's any easier? I'm going through enough just to install 9.2 (mysterious "error occurred during installation"). To have to fight the NVidia install is exasperating. I'm willing to buy another card for simplicity's sake.
I had no trouble installing an ATI Radeon 9600. It was recognized and correctly configured during installation. The only problem I have is that 3D hardware acceleration wasn't available, so no Unreal Tournament :-(( Their site said they were working on 3D accel. for Linux but I don't know how soon that may be available. Jeff
On Wednesday 17 November 2004 10:15 am, Jeffrey Laramie wrote:
On Wednesday 17 November 2004 09:01, Joe Polk wrote:
Q: Seeing as trying to get an NVidia card to work with SuSE is a cruel joke, what is the best alternative? Are ATI Radeon's any easier? I'm going through enough just to install 9.2 (mysterious "error occurred during installation"). To have to fight the NVidia install is exasperating. I'm willing to buy another card for simplicity's sake.
I had no trouble installing an ATI Radeon 9600. It was recognized and correctly configured during installation. The only problem I have is that 3D hardware acceleration wasn't available, so no Unreal Tournament :-(( Their site said they were working on 3D accel. for Linux but I don't know how soon that may be available.
Jeff =============
The ATI Radeon module is included with SuSE's kernels, so unless you have an unusual problem, the ATI card should install and setup just fine with nothing more than sax2. There is no need to install the ATI drivers from their site as it will very seldom give you much more. So in that respect, yes, the ATI cards are somewhat easier to use and all of them up to the 9800 are supported with the module included with the SuSE kernel. Lee -- --- KMail v1.7.1 --- SuSE Linux Pro v9.1 --- Registered Linux User #225206 "Don't let the fear of striking out keep you from playing the game!"
ATI has been saying that foreever now. I just think that they don't feel a need to spend resources
on a Linux driver since card sales are still skyrocketing.
-rhugga
--- Jeffrey Laramie
On Wednesday 17 November 2004 09:01, Joe Polk wrote:
Q: Seeing as trying to get an NVidia card to work with SuSE is a cruel joke, what is the best alternative? Are ATI Radeon's any easier? I'm going through enough just to install 9.2 (mysterious "error occurred during installation"). To have to fight the NVidia install is exasperating. I'm willing to buy another card for simplicity's sake.
I had no trouble installing an ATI Radeon 9600. It was recognized and correctly configured during installation. The only problem I have is that 3D hardware acceleration wasn't available, so no Unreal Tournament :-(( Their site said they were working on 3D accel. for Linux but I don't know how soon that may be available.
Jeff
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Nvidia is definitely the way to go. for simplicity sake stick with the open-source driver 'nv' are you not able to get the driver for nvidia installed, or working. can you complete the .run script to install and then can't get it to load? or does the .run fail? Nvidia is definitely the the easiest to install. I don't know why your having so much trouble.... B-) On Wednesday 17 November 2004 07:01 am, Joe Polk wrote:
Q: Seeing as trying to get an NVidia card to work with SuSE is a cruel joke, what is the best alternative? Are ATI Radeon's any easier? I'm going through enough just to install 9.2 (mysterious "error occurred during installation"). To have to fight the NVidia install is exasperating. I'm willing to buy another card for simplicity's sake.
-- <<JAV>>
I can run the script but it gives errors. But to get it to run, I have to tell
it where kernel-source is. I didn't see anyone else on SuSE ever refer to that
so I'm puzzled.
To some others, without 3D support you might as well have a Trident or Matrox
or something. By "work" I mean everything. I really wish Nvidia would just let
the distro's bundle their driver. I realize there is IP to be concerned with,
but c'mon. :(
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<<JAV>>
---------- Original Message -----------
From: Brad Bourn
Nvidia is definitely the way to go.
for simplicity sake stick with the open-source driver 'nv'
are you not able to get the driver for nvidia installed, or working.
can you complete the .run script to install and then can't get it to load? or does the .run fail?
Nvidia is definitely the the easiest to install. I don't know why your having so much trouble....
B-)
On Wednesday 17 November 2004 07:01 am, Joe Polk wrote:
Q: Seeing as trying to get an NVidia card to work with SuSE is a cruel joke, what is the best alternative? Are ATI Radeon's any easier? I'm going through enough just to install 9.2 (mysterious "error occurred during installation"). To have to fight the NVidia install is exasperating. I'm willing to buy another card for simplicity's sake.
-- <<JAV>>
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SuSE can install an older version of the Nvidia proprietary driver through YOU. It doesn't require anything but mouse clicks. There is a readme specific to SuSE on the Nvidia driver download page that gives explicit instructions for installation. You don't need the --kernel-source-path=/usr/src/linux with the new 6629 driver (FYI -- but I haven't been able to get the 6629 to work with my 1200x800 DFP display yet....) With the 6111 driver, you do need the --kernel-source-path= as well as running (in the source dir) make depend make prepare-all Then as Sid pointed out, you'll want to make sure the module.conf file has the right alias in there to load the kernel module automatically, or, after install BEFORE going back to init 5, run modprobe nvidia, depmod then it should work just fine. Recap: Nvidia will just plain old work without 3D hardware acceleration with the open source driver in the kernel "nv" right out of the box. You can use YOU to get hardware acceleration by getting the nvidia update. This will also avoid having to re-install the driver after a kernel update. But, if you don't run wide-screen 1200x800 you can use the 6629 driver by downloading it and running these commands as root init 3 NVIDIA-blah-blah-blah-6629.run -q sax2 -m 0=nvidia init 5 B-) On Wednesday 17 November 2004 11:02 am, Joe Polk wrote:
I can run the script but it gives errors. But to get it to run, I have to tell it where kernel-source is. I didn't see anyone else on SuSE ever refer to that so I'm puzzled.
To some others, without 3D support you might as well have a Trident or Matrox or something. By "work" I mean everything. I really wish Nvidia would just let the distro's bundle their driver. I realize there is IP to be concerned with, but c'mon. :(
-- <<JAV>>
---------- Original Message ----------- From: Brad Bourn
To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Sent: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:47:55 -0700 Subject: Re: [SLE] Best video card, SuSE 9.2 Nvidia is definitely the way to go.
for simplicity sake stick with the open-source driver 'nv'
are you not able to get the driver for nvidia installed, or working.
can you complete the .run script to install and then can't get it to load? or does the .run fail?
Nvidia is definitely the the easiest to install. I don't know why your having so much trouble....
B-)
On Wednesday 17 November 2004 07:01 am, Joe Polk wrote:
Q: Seeing as trying to get an NVidia card to work with SuSE is a cruel joke, what is the best alternative? Are ATI Radeon's any easier? I'm going through enough just to install 9.2 (mysterious "error occurred during installation"). To have to fight the NVidia install is exasperating. I'm willing to buy another card for simplicity's sake.
-- <<JAV>>
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On Wednesday 17 November 2004 19:02, Joe Polk wrote:
I can run the script but it gives errors. But to get it to run, I have to tell it where kernel-source is. I didn't see anyone else on SuSE ever refer to that so I'm puzzled.
To some others, without 3D support you might as well have a Trident or Matrox or something. By "work" I mean everything. I really wish Nvidia would just let the distro's bundle their driver. I realize there is IP to be concerned with, but c'mon. :(
A while ago I made a small script to do the dirty work:
----8<----8<--[mk-nv]--8<----8<----8<----
#! /bin/bash
if [ $# -ne 1 ]; then
echo "Usage: ${0##*/}
Joe Polk wrote:
I can run the script but it gives errors. But to get it to run, I have to tell it where kernel-source is. I didn't see anyone else on SuSE ever refer to that so I'm puzzled.
To some others, without 3D support you might as well have a Trident or Matrox or something. By "work" I mean everything. I really wish Nvidia would just let the distro's bundle their driver. I realize there is IP to be concerned with, but c'mon. :(
-- <<JAV>>
First you need the kernel sources installed.
cd
Tried this. It failed. This is on a FRESH install of SuSE 9.2. Post-install I ran YAST and installed gcc and kernel-source. I did NOT update the kernel. Went into init 3 and followed Sid's instructions below. Here's a snippit from the log: Using: nvidia-installer ncurses user interface -> License accepted. -> A precompiled kernel interface for kernel 'SuSE Linux 9.2 kernel 2.6.8-24 default' has been found here: ./usr/src/nv/precompiled/nv-linux.o-1.0-6629.suse-9.2-2.6.8-24-default. executing: 'cd ./usr/src/nv; /usr/bin/ld -d -r -o nvidia.ko precompiled-nv-l inux.o nv-kernel.o'... -> Kernel module linked successfully. ERROR: Unable to load the kernel module 'nvidia.ko'. This is most likely because the kernel module was built using the wrong kernel source files. Please make sure you have installed the kernel source files for your kernel; on Red Hat Linux systems, for example, be sure you have the 'kernel-source' rpm installed. If you know the correct kernel source files are installed, you may specify the kernel source path with the '--kernel-source-path' commandline option. -> Kernel module load error: insmod: error inserting './usr/src/nv/nvidia.ko': -1 No such device -> Kernel messages: nvidia: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted. nvidia: unsupported module, tainting kernel. nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel. PCI: No IRQ known for interrupt pin A of device 0000:01:00.0. Please try using pci=biosirq. nvidia: probe of 0000:01:00.0 failed with error -1 ERROR: Installation has failed. Please see the file '/var/log/nvidia-installer.log' for details. You may find suggestions on fixing installation problems in the README available on the Linux driver download page at www.nvidia.com. -- <<JAV>>
First you need the kernel sources installed. cd
make cloneconfig make prepare-all Then run the nvidia install. Offered the same advice some hours ago on here. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =====LINUX ONLY USED HERE===== -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
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On Wednesday 17 Nov 2004 18:02, Joe Polk wrote:
I can run the script but it gives errors. But to get it to run, I have to tell it where kernel-source is. I didn't see anyone else on SuSE ever refer to that so I'm puzzled.
To some others, without 3D support you might as well have a Trident or Matrox or something. By "work" I mean everything. I really wish Nvidia would just let the distro's bundle their driver. I realize there is IP to be concerned with, but c'mon. :(
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as i said a ferw moments ago got tto the Nvidia site download section then Linux and free bad section the driver is the Linux IA32 choice click on that link down load the driver and while it is downloading read the document SuSE NVIDIA Installer HOWTO on the site i recomend you print it out you should then have no trouble .. BTW the nvidia cards blow the ATI cards out of the water.. Pete . -- Linux user No: 256242 Machine No: 139931 G6NJR Pete also MSA registered "Quinton 11" A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan, The time is here to FORGET that M$ Corp ever existed the world does not NEED M$ Corp the world has NO USE for M$ Corp it is time to END M$ Corp , Play time is over folks time for action approaches at an alarming pace the death knell for M$ Copr has been sounded . Termination time is around the corner ..
On Thursday 18 November 2004 08:58 am, BandiPat wrote:
On Thursday 18 November 2004 04:51 am, peter Nikolic wrote:
BTW the nvidia cards blow the ATI cards out of the water..
Pete .
==========
Does not!
:o) Lee
I would have to go with Peter on this one. I have had far better experiences getting games to run natively and under Cedega with an NVIDIA card. I am inherently mistrustful of Ati cards anyway, but the incomplete Linux drives sealed the deal for me. AND, I speak from experience, having successfully installed and configured both cards under SuSE 9.0, 9.1, and 9.2 -- __________ CorvusE Linux User #370082
On Thursday 18 November 2004 07:57 am, CorvusE wrote:
I would have to go with Peter on this one. I have had far better experiences getting games to run natively and under Cedega with an NVIDIA card. I am inherently mistrustful of Ati cards anyway, but the incomplete Linux drives sealed the deal for me. AND, I speak from experience, having successfully installed and configured both cards under SuSE 9.0, 9.1, and 9.2 --
here! here! B-)
On Thursday 18 November 2004 09:57 am, CorvusE wrote:
On Thursday 18 November 2004 08:58 am, BandiPat wrote:
On Thursday 18 November 2004 04:51 am, peter Nikolic wrote:
BTW the nvidia cards blow the ATI cards out of the water..
Pete .
==========
Does not!
:o) Lee
I would have to go with Peter on this one. I have had far better experiences getting games to run natively and under Cedega with an NVIDIA card. I am inherently mistrustful of Ati cards anyway, but the incomplete Linux drives sealed the deal for me. AND, I speak from experience, having successfully installed and configured both cards under SuSE 9.0, 9.1, and 9.2 -- __________ CorvusE Linux User #370082 ===============
Well, Cor, many of us have had experiences with both cards. I went through the nvidia hell for a while, installed ATI and haven't looked back, it just works without all the dancing you guys have to do with their drivers! Say what you want, not many that have got nvidia cards have not at one time or another had to from a little to a lot of playing to get them working and keep them that way. I've only used the ATI driver once when I was using one of Mantel's experimental kernels that didn't have the Radeon module. it was a breeze to setup compared to my experiences with nvidia cards & drivers. Since then it's no more than installing the card, booting to init 3 and running sax2, I'm done, 3d and all. cheers, Lee
On Thursday 18 November 2004 09:02 pm, BandiPat wrote:
I've only used the ATI driver once when I was using one of Mantel's experimental kernels that didn't have the Radeon module. it was a breeze to setup compared to my experiences with nvidia cards & drivers.
I used the Ati driver on a Mobility 9000. I thought all was good until Blender wouldn't run with 3d due to poor OpenGL code. Unreal Tournament 2004? Forget about it.
Since then it's no more than installing the card, booting to init 3 and running sax2, I'm done, 3d and all.
Under 9.1 and 9.2 the NVIDIA installs via YaST have been just that easy for me! Even installing the newest driver wasn't much of a hassle. I ran the NVIDIA script, called YaST with the NVIDIA module, and had quality (fully functional) 3d acceleration in mere moments. Ah well, variety is the spice of life. Except Cinnamon Life. Cinnamon is the spice of Cinnamon Life! -- __________ CorvusE Linux User #370082
Not only that, but can you install the ATI driver through YOU? B-) On Thursday 18 November 2004 08:01 pm, CorvusE wrote:
On Thursday 18 November 2004 09:02 pm, BandiPat wrote:
I've only used the ATI driver once when I was using one of Mantel's experimental kernels that didn't have the Radeon module. it was a breeze to setup compared to my experiences with nvidia cards & drivers.
I used the Ati driver on a Mobility 9000. I thought all was good until Blender wouldn't run with 3d due to poor OpenGL code.
Unreal Tournament 2004? Forget about it.
Since then it's no more than installing the card, booting to init 3 and running sax2, I'm done, 3d and all.
Under 9.1 and 9.2 the NVIDIA installs via YaST have been just that easy for me! Even installing the newest driver wasn't much of a hassle. I ran the NVIDIA script, called YaST with the NVIDIA module, and had quality (fully functional) 3d acceleration in mere moments.
Ah well, variety is the spice of life. Except Cinnamon Life. Cinnamon is the spice of Cinnamon Life!
-- __________ CorvusE Linux User #370082
Under 9.1 and 9.2 the NVIDIA installs via YaST have been just that easy for me! Even installing the newest driver wasn't much of a hassle. I ran the NVIDIA script, called YaST with the NVIDIA module, and had quality (fully functional) 3d acceleration in mere moments.
How exactly did youd do that? YOU only seemed to grab fetchnvidia. Do I grab
that .sh file and point YOU to it? I'm lost.
--
<<JAV>>
---------- Original Message -----------
From: CorvusE
On Thursday 18 November 2004 09:02 pm, BandiPat wrote:
I've only used the ATI driver once when I was using one of Mantel's experimental kernels that didn't have the Radeon module. it was a breeze to setup compared to my experiences with nvidia cards & drivers.
I used the Ati driver on a Mobility 9000. I thought all was good until Blender wouldn't run with 3d due to poor OpenGL code.
Unreal Tournament 2004? Forget about it.
Since then it's no more than installing the card, booting to init 3 and running sax2, I'm done, 3d and all.
Under 9.1 and 9.2 the NVIDIA installs via YaST have been just that easy for me! Even installing the newest driver wasn't much of a hassle. I ran the NVIDIA script, called YaST with the NVIDIA module, and had quality (fully functional) 3d acceleration in mere moments.
Ah well, variety is the spice of life. Except Cinnamon Life. Cinnamon is the spice of Cinnamon Life!
-- __________ CorvusE Linux User #370082
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On Thursday 18 Nov 2004 13:58, BandiPat wrote:
On Thursday 18 November 2004 04:51 am, peter Nikolic wrote:
BTW the nvidia cards blow the ATI cards out of the water..
Pete .
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Does not!
:o) Lee Does so !! :-).. pete. Phaarrrrrrrrrrrp
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On Wednesday 17 Nov 2004 14:01, Joe Polk wrote:
Q: Seeing as trying to get an NVidia card to work with SuSE is a cruel joke, what is the best alternative? Are ATI Radeon's any easier? I'm going through enough just to install 9.2 (mysterious "error occurred during installation"). To have to fight the NVidia install is exasperating. I'm willing to buy another card for simplicity's sake.
-- <<JAV>> Nothing difficult about getting Nvidid working with suse you just got to do it right ..
have ALL the kernel sources installed not just the binary bits follow the instructions to the letter can the stuff supplied by suse in the kernel make sure you have downloaded the correct driver from Nvidia hard to mess up realy that one there is only one for the IA32 architechture and read the stuff on the Nvidia site .. If 9.2 is causing you problems just get rid of the nvidia.o and nvidia.ko modules supplied by suse it works a treat then .. -- Linux user No: 256242 Machine No: 139931 G6NJR Pete also MSA registered "Quinton 11" A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan, The time is here to FORGET that M$ Corp ever existed the world does not NEED M$ Corp the world has NO USE for M$ Corp it is time to END M$ Corp , Play time is over folks time for action approaches at an alarming pace the death knell for M$ Copr has been sounded . Termination time is around the corner ..
:( I wish I was in on the joke! <grin> Seriously, guys, I'm doing what you
have posted and ain't werkin! I posted my log, though, earlier.
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<<JAV>>
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From: Fermin Goiriz
Nothing difficult about getting Nvidid working with suse you just got to do it right ..
yeah, installing the nvidia drivers was a breeze:
telinit 3 sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run sax2 -m 0=nvidia
--fg
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is telinit 3 the same as init 3?
anyway,
previous to the SuSE 9.1, I had some trouble that was solved with this
post.... sorry didn't save who wrote this, but credit is due.
<quoting someone else>
I was having the same problems, and here is what i did "
1) make cloneconfig
2) export MAKEFLAGS=O=/usr/src/linux-obj/$ARCH/$FLAVOR
3) sh <nviddia>.run --kernel-source-path=/usr/src/linux
and all went fine.
The MAKEFLAGS also allowed me to build the vmware modules. Make just needs
to know where to find the scripts it needs. This information is located in
the README.SUSE file in the /usr/src/linux directory, i believe.
I then read /usr/src/linux/README.SUSE and discovered a package I had not
known about: kernel-syms. With kernel-syms installed, it is not necessary to
use Step 1) to install 1.0-6106.
After installing kernel-syms-2.6.5-7.95, I logged in as root, changed to
runlevel 3, changed directory to where I had downloaded the nVIDIA installer
and
1) Ran
. ./makeflags-SUSE.README.sh, containing the line:
export MAKEFLAGS= \
"-C /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build O=/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build"
2) Ran
./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-6106-pkg2.run --kernel-source-path=/usr/src/linux
The install worked.
I ended up writing a couple scripts to do the job for me, they are as follows
(note: I don't do this anymore since SuSE 9.1, I can just do what was already
mentioned here, also, you need to change the driver version or add a param
for that)
:( I wish I was in on the joke! <grin> Seriously, guys, I'm doing what you
have posted and ain't werkin! I posted my log, though, earlier.
-- <<JAV>>
---------- Original Message ----------- From: Fermin Goiriz
To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Sent: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:23:10 +0100 Subject: Re: [SLE] Best video card, SuSE 9.2 Nothing difficult about getting Nvidid working with suse you just got to do it right ..
yeah, installing the nvidia drivers was a breeze:
telinit 3 sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run sax2 -m 0=nvidia
--fg
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participants (11)
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BandiPat
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Ben Higginbottom
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Brad Bourn
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CorvusE
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Fermin Goiriz
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Jeffrey Laramie
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Joe Polk
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Leendert Meyer
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peter Nikolic
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Rhugga
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Sid Boyce