[opensuse] Bootable 'Repair Installation' for 10.3
Hello list, The 'repair' feature has helped me before and it would be good to have it at hand, for when I (inevitably) bork my shiny new 10.3 install. The original 'repair installation' option on the DVD was broken. Now the yast module has been fixed, can you tell me how to get/make a bootable 'repair installation' rescue disk to replace it? Thanks, David -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 19:57 +0100, d_garbage wrote:
Hello list, The 'repair' feature has helped me before and it would be good to have it at hand, for when I (inevitably) bork my shiny new 10.3 install. The original 'repair installation' option on the DVD was broken. Now the yast module has been fixed, can you tell me how to get/make a bootable 'repair installation' rescue disk to replace it? Thanks, David
I was going to ask the same question. It would be a simple solution to provide a delta that can be applied to the DVD, but that is up to the good folks at openSUSE to provide. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello list, The 'repair' feature has helped me before and it would be good to have it at hand, for when I (inevitably) bork my shiny new 10.3 install. The original 'repair installation' option on the DVD was broken. Now the yast module has been fixed, can you tell me how to get/make a bootable 'repair installation' rescue disk to replace it? Thanks, David I'm going to caution *extreme* caution with the repair function, either on the boot (if you can make it run) or in Yast. It is very broken and if you happen to be lucky enough to get some of the pieces to work for you, more power to you, but I wouldn't trust my worst cold-war enemies computers to the repair module just yet. Parts do work, some give the illusion of working, any dealing with non-standard (read RAID or LVM or mixed hardware IDE-SATA) are apt to be horrifically broken. To be sure, I just documented (again) just the first 3 steps of the Yast2 repair on my MD raid installation. Only the first step completed. It detected all parttions correctly. From there on, if I had let it 'repair' things, I would have had no system left. (Yes, I've filed bug reports which are still open). For more conventional systems, you do have a fighting chance at success, but I think I would rather let a Orangutans control the repair efforts than the repair program right now. How this most important piece of programming was allowed to be
d_garbage wrote: put on the GOLD MASTER and distributed around the world as an example of SuSE's excellence, is beyond me. I love Linux and I support SuSE in every way I know how, but it is very frustrating to see this kind of end result. It isn't as if there weren't plenty of warnings during beta testing about the IDE-SATA breaking things, including the repair program, it is just that it wasn't taken seriously enough until after RC1 was released and GM was being sent for pressing...then it was too late. It just makes me ill to think that SuSE will be judged by Windows potential converts and find their Windows installation unbootable *and* an unbootable copy of SuSE with no way to fix it and without the skills to know how to 'work around' the bugs that should have *NEVER* been committed to vinyl. My suggestion is that if your system needs repairing, do it the old fashioned way, use the utilities best suited for the job, such as fsck and the various editors and partitioners (including the one in Yast). Just don't use 'repair', just yet. Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 15:46 -0400, Richard Creighton wrote:
Hello list, The 'repair' feature has helped me before and it would be good to have it at hand, for when I (inevitably) bork my shiny new 10.3 install. The original 'repair installation' option on the DVD was broken. Now the yast module has been fixed, can you tell me how to get/make a bootable 'repair installation' rescue disk to replace it? Thanks, David I'm going to caution *extreme* caution with the repair function, either on the boot (if you can make it run) or in Yast. It is very broken and if you happen to be lucky enough to get some of the pieces to work for you, more power to you, but I wouldn't trust my worst cold-war enemies computers to the repair module just yet. Parts do work, some give the illusion of working, any dealing with non-standard (read RAID or LVM or mixed hardware IDE-SATA) are apt to be horrifically broken. To be sure, I just documented (again) just the first 3 steps of the Yast2 repair on my MD raid installation. Only the first step completed. It detected all parttions correctly. From there on, if I had let it 'repair' things, I would have had no system left. (Yes, I've filed bug reports which are still open). For more conventional systems, you do have a fighting chance at success, but I think I would rather let a Orangutans control the repair efforts than the repair program right now. How this most important piece of programming was allowed to be
d_garbage wrote: put on the GOLD MASTER and distributed around the world as an example of SuSE's excellence, is beyond me. I love Linux and I support SuSE in every way I know how, but it is very frustrating to see this kind of end result. It isn't as if there weren't plenty of warnings during beta testing about the IDE-SATA breaking things, including the repair program, it is just that it wasn't taken seriously enough until after RC1 was released and GM was being sent for pressing...then it was too late. It just makes me ill to think that SuSE will be judged by Windows potential converts and find their Windows installation unbootable *and* an unbootable copy of SuSE with no way to fix it and without the skills to know how to 'work around' the bugs that should have *NEVER* been committed to vinyl.
My suggestion is that if your system needs repairing, do it the old fashioned way, use the utilities best suited for the job, such as fsck and the various editors and partitioners (including the one in Yast). Just don't use 'repair', just yet.
Richard
Are ALL openSUSE discs broken with regards to Repair? CDs, DVD, boxed
edition? If so, yikes.
Would it cause any problems to use a 10.2 DVD repair disc for repair
incase I need it?
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Kevin Dupuy
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Kevin Dupuy wrote:- <snip>
Are ALL openSUSE discs broken with regards to Repair? CDs, DVD, boxed edition?
Can't say about the boxed sets, but there are a few bug reports, each with a different disc image/architecture[0], and all of them have the same defective repair. It's supposedly been fixed but looking at: URL:https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=329702#c11 doesn't inspire confidence that it has.
If so, yikes.
That's putting it mildly :-|
Would it cause any problems to use a 10.2 DVD repair disc for repair incase I need it?
No idea. If you don't mind being the guinea pig... :-) [0] bug #329702, marked as beta 2, but refers to the GM. unknown arch. bug #333514, final release/GM. PPC DVD bug #331532, final release/GM. x86_64 DVD bug #334044, final release/GM. x86. unknown media Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: http://www.distributed.net/ OGR-P2 @ 100Mnodes RC5-72 @ 15Mkeys SUSE 10.0 32bit | SUSE 10.1 32bit | openSUSE 10.2 32bit | openSUSE 10.3 32bit SUSE 10.0 64bit | SUSE 10.1 64bit | openSUSE 10.2 64bit | RISC OS 3.11 | RISC OS 3.6 | TOS 4.02 | openSUSE 10.3 PPC -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 21:30 -0500, Kevin Dupuy wrote: {snip}
Are ALL openSUSE discs broken with regards to Repair? CDs, DVD, boxed edition? If so, yikes.
Would it cause any problems to use a 10.2 DVD repair disc for repair incase I need it?
I would think that this is not a good idea. The general repair tool also fixes files, and that can cause other problems. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mike McMullin wrote:
On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 21:30 -0500, Kevin Dupuy wrote:
{snip}
Are ALL openSUSE discs broken with regards to Repair? CDs, DVD, boxed edition? If so, yikes.
Would it cause any problems to use a 10.2 DVD repair disc for repair incase I need it?
I would think that this is not a good idea. The general repair tool also fixes files, and that can cause other problems.
Having just lived through some interesting times with the DVD repair system in the last 24 hours I would say broken is an understatement! All I wanted to do was repatch the bootloader and MBR to deal with the swapping out of a drive and it b***d everything up. Admittedly it was not helped by a couple of oddities with the mobo and an accident with the rodent... but ye gods.... In the end some a little text editing with vi (always guaranteed to ruin my day :-) ) in the rescue system did the trick... I should have known better than to use the repair system but the thought of a couple of hours in vi hell was a little too much for me at that moment in time. - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHFhL0asN0sSnLmgIRAjmrAKDqDCNqW9qBiASi1ebOVc4wfrg8YgCg1x6v NJB1K47QRRBn4ZcGOuXF79g= =Qyiu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2007-10-17 at 14:49 +0100, G T Smith wrote:
In the end some a little text editing with vi (always guaranteed to ruin my day :-) ) in the rescue system did the trick... I should have known better than to use the repair system but the thought of a couple of hours in vi hell was a little too much for me at that moment in time.
Remember that the rescue dvd (not the rescue program) contains not only vi: you can use joe, for instance. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHFhqntTMYHG2NR9URAkw8AJ91n9c7c2i5HpW8TvEdyFAsy70u7QCaA7tR OKgiW1B55CYtVyNYGGgPDb4= =yY8e -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Carlos E. R. -
d_garbage -
David Bolt -
G T Smith -
Kenneth Schneider -
Kevin Dupuy -
Mike McMullin -
Richard Creighton