[opensuse] OwnCloud, do I need to purchase a domain?
I wanted to set up OwnCloud for a client since it would fulfill his needs. He has a dedicated desktop system (running 11.4 that I set up) that sees only light use, and should be able to host OwnCloud. I am not terribly familiar with web technologies, and wonder if I would have to link it to an external domain somehow since it doesn't have a static IP. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Roger Luedecke <roger.luedecke@gmail.com> writes:
I wanted to set up OwnCloud for a client since it would fulfill his needs. He has a dedicated desktop system (running 11.4 that I set up) that sees only light use, and should be able to host OwnCloud. I am not terribly familiar with web technologies, and wonder if I would have to link it to an external domain somehow since it doesn't have a static IP.
You don't need to purchase a domain- you can use a dynamic DNS service such as: 1. no-ip: http://www.no-ip.com/ 2. dyndns: http://dyn.com/dns/ in conjunction with the ddclient package. Charles -- Your job is being a professor and researcher: That's one hell of a good excuse for some of the brain-damages of minix. (Linus Torvalds to Andrew Tanenbaum)
On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 09:43, Charles Philip Chan <cpchan@bell.net> wrote:
Roger Luedecke <roger.luedecke@gmail.com>
I wanted to set up OwnCloud for a client since it would fulfill his needs. He has a dedicated desktop system (running 11.4 that I set up) that sees only light use, and should be able to host OwnCloud. I am not terribly familiar with web technologies, and wonder if I would have to link it to an external domain somehow since it doesn't have a static IP.
You don't need to purchase a domain- you can use a dynamic DNS service such as:
1. no-ip: http://www.no-ip.com/ 2. dyndns: http://dyn.com/dns/
in conjunction with the ddclient package.
Big upvote for DynDNS. I've been using their services for years now - and currently use it in combination with a local webserver and OwnCloud. OwnCloud is easy to set up and really really useful. It's worth noting that they (DynDNS) only have a 14 day trial, and after that the cheapest service they offer is $20US/year. A couple tips on this... - many routers will already have a preconfigured option for using a service like DynDNS. My Netgear router for example has a menu option for "Dynamic DNS" In there, I can set up the DynDNS settings and I don't need to run ddclient on my local machine if I don't want to. - If you don't want to go with the router option, you can easily set up ddclient with the tools on the DynDNS website. They will autogenerate the ddclient.conf file that you need, and you just copy it over top of the existing generic ddclient.conf that you get when ddclient is installed with YaST/zypper.... start the ddclient service and you're done. I can't speak for no-ip.com... never used their stuff. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
C <smaug42@opensuse.org> writes:
It's worth noting that they (DynDNS) only have a 14 day trial, and after that the cheapest service they offer is $20US/year.
True, dyndns doesn't have a free option anymore for new users (old users can still use it for free), since they changed their policy. No-ip seem to be the preferred free service these day. Charles -- "Computers may be stupid, but they're always obedient. Well, almost always." -- Larry Wall (Open Sources, 1999 O'Reilly and Associates)
Charles Philip Chan wrote:
C<smaug42@opensuse.org> writes:
It's worth noting that they (DynDNS) only have a 14 day trial, and after that the cheapest service they offer is $20US/year. True, dyndns doesn't have a free option anymore for new users (old users can still use it for free), since they changed their policy. No-ip seem to be the preferred free service these day.
Charles
I use the Google Apps DNS service. It's $10/year, but allows several DNS entries, including aliases. The downside is it doesn't yet support IPv6. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Charles Philip Chan said the following on 04/08/2012 05:27 AM:
C <smaug42@opensuse.org> writes:
It's worth noting that they (DynDNS) only have a 14 day trial, and after that the cheapest service they offer is $20US/year.
True, dyndns doesn't have a free option anymore for new users (old users can still use it for free),
Ah! That exlpains it. I'm a *very* old user. What-ho, Patrick? -- When languishing for solutions, don't ask "Have I got the correct answer?" The correct question is "Have I got the correct question?" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Anton Aylward <opensuse@antonaylward.com> [04-08-12 08:43]:
Charles Philip Chan said the following on 04/08/2012 05:27 AM:
True, dyndns doesn't have a free option anymore for new users (old users can still use it for free),
Ah! That exlpains it. I'm a *very* old user.
What-ho, Patrick?
me 3 :^) I don't believe that no-ip offers extend free service any more, either. Sometime past I paid a "one-time" us$12.95 for a "livetime" extension of my *free* service. They later advised me that I owed again a small sum which I cannot recall on a yearly basis. After some extend online argument, they advised me that my service would be extend from *livetime* to 2038. <quote> * No-IP Renewal <renew@no-ip.com> [07-19-08 13:17]:
REMINDER: YOUR NO-IP.COM ENHANCED SERVICE WILL EXPIRE IN 27 DAYS
Dear No-IP Customer,
Your No-IP Enhanced service is scheduled to expire on 2008-08-15. To ensure uninterupted service to your No-IP Enhanced host names we recommend that you renew your subscription today.
My no-ip.com enhanced service is not supposed to *ever* expire. I quote the email I received from your service Aug 18, 2004, after remitting the $12.95 subscription fee </quote> and <quote> Date: Jul 19, 2008 (3:19pm PDT) From: No-IP Support 3 years ago this service was converted into a yearly renewal. At that time we provided everyone who had previously signed up for this service 3 years of the new Enhanced service. This August is when the 3 years end. Essentially this came down to either letting the service die off, or extending the feature set of this service, and providing those who signed up previously with a few years of service. We hope that you understand the direction we have decided to go with this service. Thank you again for using No-IP.com. We hope this response has sufficiently answered your question. If not, you may re-open the ticket at the following URL: http://www.no-ip.com/members/ticket/view.php?ticket=105074 </quote> which I immediately did <quote> Date: Jul 21, 2008 (7:46am PDT) From: No-IP Support This position has been reconsidered, and your service has been extended until 2038. Sorry for any inconvenience. Thank you again for using No-IP.com. We hope this response has sufficiently answered your question. If not, you may re-open the ticket at the following URL: http://www.no-ip.com/members/ticket/view.php?ticket=105074 </quote> persistence of an english bull-dog :^) and *sometimes* pays off And I *assume* that sometime prior to 2038, I will have little use of their services as I will be 97 year old then :^) But, who knows. And/or newer technology will make this service unnecessary (ie: they will find another way to part you with your *hard-earned*). -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> writes:
I don't believe that no-ip offers extend free service any more, either. Sometime past I paid a "one-time" us$12.95 for a "livetime" extension of my *free* service. They later advised me that I owed again a small sum which I cannot recall on a yearly basis. After some extend online argument, they advised me that my service would be extend from *livetime* to 2038.
I really have no personal experience with no-ip (I am a long time DynDNS user), so are they lying on this page: http://www.no-ip.com/services/managed_dns/free_dynamic_dns.html ? Charles -- "On a normal ascii line, the only safe condition to detect is a 'BREAK' - everything else having been assigned functions by Gnu EMACS." (By Tarl Neustaedter)
* Charles Philip Chan <cpchan@bell.net> [04-08-12 12:00]:
Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> writes:
I don't believe that no-ip offers extend free service any more, either. Sometime past I paid a "one-time" us$12.95 for a "livetime" extension of my *free* service. They later advised me that I owed again a small sum which I cannot recall on a yearly basis. After some extend online argument, they advised me that my service would be extend from *livetime* to 2038.
I really have no personal experience with no-ip (I am a long time DynDNS user), so are they lying on this page:
http://www.no-ip.com/services/managed_dns/free_dynamic_dns.html
?
I hope not but I have no experience past what I related. I have had NO problems with their service, no outages or misdirections that I know of. I believe the subscription fee I paid elevated me to an *enhanced* service, I don't now recall. According to their web page, seems they have a no-charge service. After reading more, it appears I have their "ManagedDNS: No-IP(tm) Enhanced" service which costs $14.95/yr but I do not keep paying :^). -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
C said the following on 04/08/2012 04:49 AM:
Big upvote for DynDNS. I've been using their services for years now -
+1
and currently use it in combination with a local webserver and OwnCloud. OwnCloud is easy to set up and really really useful.
Hmm. I'll have to look at that :-)
It's worth noting that they (DynDNS) only have a 14 day trial, and after that the cheapest service they offer is $20US/year.
There is also a (sort-of) free service. Check their web site. -- Security *NEEDS* to be a engineering, economic, and business discipline. ... if it is to be of value to the corporation and to society in general -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 08/04/2012 09:22, Roger Luedecke a écrit :
I wanted to set up OwnCloud for a client since it would fulfill his needs. He has a dedicated desktop system (running 11.4 that I set up) that sees only light use, and should be able to host OwnCloud. I am not terribly familiar with web technologies, and wonder if I would have to link it to an external domain somehow since it doesn't have a static IP.
notice a domain cost as low as €6 per year :-) http://www.ovh.com/fr/domaines/ jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2012-04-08 at 09:44 +0200, jdd-gmane wrote:
Le 08/04/2012 09:22, Roger Luedecke a écrit :
I wanted to set up OwnCloud for a client since it would fulfill his needs. He has a dedicated desktop system (running 11.4 that I set up) that sees only light use, and should be able to host OwnCloud. I am not terribly familiar with web technologies, and wonder if I would have to link it to an external domain somehow since it doesn't have a static IP.
notice a domain cost as low as €6 per year :-)
http://www.ovh.com/fr/domaines/
jdd
Right. I suppose I should have made it clear that if there is a free option, that would be preferred. I think DynDNS or some such may be somewhat more secure though. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 14:26:13 +0530, Roger Luedecke <roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 2012-04-08 at 09:44 +0200, jdd-gmane wrote:
Le 08/04/2012 09:22, Roger Luedecke a écrit :
I wanted to set up OwnCloud for a client since it would fulfill his needs. He has a dedicated desktop system (running 11.4 that I set up) that sees only light use, and should be able to host OwnCloud. I am not terribly familiar with web technologies, and wonder if I would have to link it to an external domain somehow since it doesn't have a static IP.
notice a domain cost as low as €6 per year :-)
http://www.ovh.com/fr/domaines/
jdd
Right. I suppose I should have made it clear that if there is a free option, that would be preferred. I think DynDNS or some such may be somewhat more secure though.
perhaps, but if access to the OwnCloud site is the only goal, a domain name is cheaper. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 11:00, phanisvara das <listmail@phanisvara.com> wrote:
notice a domain cost as low as €6 per year :-)
http://www.ovh.com/fr/domaines/
jdd
Right. I suppose I should have made it clear that if there is a free option, that would be preferred. I think DynDNS or some such may be somewhat more secure though.
perhaps, but if access to the OwnCloud site is the only goal, a domain name is cheaper.
That only is true IF the person the OP is helping has a static IP. If they have an ISP that assigns a dynamic IP from a pool, then you have to use an option like DnyDNS (or other like it) to track the ever changing IP address. My current ISP gives me a new IP address every 24 hours whether I need one or not. You can't set your domain name to your IP if it's a moving target. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 14:37:32 +0530, C <smaug42@opensuse.org> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 11:00, phanisvara das <listmail@phanisvara.com> wrote:
notice a domain cost as low as €6 per year :-)
http://www.ovh.com/fr/domaines/
jdd
Right. I suppose I should have made it clear that if there is a free option, that would be preferred. I think DynDNS or some such may be somewhat more secure though.
perhaps, but if access to the OwnCloud site is the only goal, a domain name is cheaper.
That only is true IF the person the OP is helping has a static IP. If they have an ISP that assigns a dynamic IP from a pool, then you have to use an option like DnyDNS (or other like it) to track the ever changing IP address. My current ISP gives me a new IP address every 24 hours whether I need one or not. You can't set your domain name to your IP if it's a moving target.
have to admit that i have no experience with OwnCloud. because roger asked if a domain name was needed, i assumed there was some OwnCloud internal arrangement to bind the cloud instance to a domain. if that's not possible he'd have to get a static IP, which also costs extra. simple math then, which comes cheaper: static IP + domain name, or DynDNS, if that's really safer than no-ip (which was free last time i checked, but that wasn't very recently. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 11:18, phanisvara das <listmail@phanisvara.com> wrote:
have to admit that i have no experience with OwnCloud. because roger asked if a domain name was needed, i assumed there was some OwnCloud internal arrangement to bind the cloud instance to a domain. if that's not possible he'd have to get a static IP, which also costs extra. simple math then, which comes cheaper: static IP + domain name, or DynDNS, if that's really safer than no-ip (which was free last time i checked, but that wasn't very recently.
OwnCloud is a web service that runs as part of your local or hosted webserver. The only attaching to a domain is via your IP address and/or domain redirection. If you have a hosted service with a 3rd party webhost, you simply install OwnCloud on your remote server and do the setup - not that different from any other PHP based web application such as Joomla etc. The setup consists mainly of copying the OwnCloud app and then setting permissions on the various directories (and optionally configuring php.ini, if you have access, to allow uploading files larger than the default 2MB). If you have a locally hosted webserver (which is super easy to set up with YaST.. install apache, php, and the YaST HTTP server module) you basically do the same as with a remote hosted service. Access to the OwnCloud is basically... open a browser, point it at http://www.yourdomain.com/owncloud and log in. If you don't have a domain, but have a static IP, you can point it at the IP address http://1.2.3.4/owncloud and it'll still work fine. If you have a dynamic IP, then you have to go with a dynamic domain service because you don't know what your IP address will be with each new IP lease (although you could use it locally inside your LAN if you didn't need external access and simply wanted a way to share files on your LAN). Your default admin user is defined during setup. Any additional users are defined by the admin user within the interface. You can add webdav access for the host machine to make it easier to copy files in/out from the host machine. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 15:04:37 +0530, C <smaug42@opensuse.org> wrote:
OwnCloud is a web service that runs as part of your local or hosted webserver. The only attaching to a domain is via your IP address and/or domain redirection.
If you have a hosted service with a 3rd party webhost, you simply install OwnCloud on your remote server and do the setup - not that different from any other PHP based web application such as Joomla etc. The setup consists mainly of copying the OwnCloud app and then setting permissions on the various directories (and optionally configuring php.ini, if you have access, to allow uploading files larger than the default 2MB).
If you have a locally hosted webserver (which is super easy to set up with YaST.. install apache, php, and the YaST HTTP server module) you basically do the same as with a remote hosted service.
Access to the OwnCloud is basically... open a browser, point it at http://www.yourdomain.com/owncloud and log in. If you don't have a domain, but have a static IP, you can point it at the IP address http://1.2.3.4/owncloud and it'll still work fine. If you have a dynamic IP, then you have to go with a dynamic domain service because you don't know what your IP address will be with each new IP lease (although you could use it locally inside your LAN if you didn't need external access and simply wanted a way to share files on your LAN).
Your default admin user is defined during setup. Any additional users are defined by the admin user within the interface.
You can add webdav access for the host machine to make it easier to copy files in/out from the host machine.
thank you, that was an interesting intro. i don't need ownCloud, but at least i know what it is now. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2012-04-08 at 14:48 +0530, phanisvara das wrote:
On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 14:37:32 +0530, C <smaug42@opensuse.org> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 11:00, phanisvara das <listmail@phanisvara.com> wrote:
notice a domain cost as low as €6 per year :-)
http://www.ovh.com/fr/domaines/
jdd
Right. I suppose I should have made it clear that if there is a free option, that would be preferred. I think DynDNS or some such may be somewhat more secure though.
perhaps, but if access to the OwnCloud site is the only goal, a domain name is cheaper.
That only is true IF the person the OP is helping has a static IP. If they have an ISP that assigns a dynamic IP from a pool, then you have to use an option like DnyDNS (or other like it) to track the ever changing IP address. My current ISP gives me a new IP address every 24 hours whether I need one or not. You can't set your domain name to your IP if it's a moving target.
have to admit that i have no experience with OwnCloud. because roger asked if a domain name was needed, i assumed there was some OwnCloud internal arrangement to bind the cloud instance to a domain. if that's not possible he'd have to get a static IP, which also costs extra. simple math then, which comes cheaper: static IP + domain name, or DynDNS, if that's really safer than no-ip (which was free last time i checked, but that wasn't very recently.
-- phani. Looks like I'll be trying out no-ip. I just have to figure if the router supports it and yadda yadda. This is new territory, so I'll be discounting the client on the basis it would take someone else less time. Do we ship OwnCLoud 2 or 3? Can somebody fill me in on Mirall? I don't really understand it.
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On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 11:36, Roger Luedecke <roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote:
Looks like I'll be trying out no-ip. I just have to figure if the router supports it and yadda yadda. This is new territory, so I'll be discounting the client on the basis it would take someone else less time. Do we ship OwnCLoud 2 or 3? Can somebody fill me in on Mirall? I don't really understand it.
Mirall is an installer GUI for OwnCloud. It is an optional tool that you can use to help out with a few of the installation steps (downloading the client, and uploading/ftp to your webserver). I used it the first time to install OwnCloud, but... now I just download the OwnCloud files from their website, and copy up to my local webserver ( actually have it on its own dedicated drive and add a symlink in /srv/www/htdocs/mydomain/). The rest of the install is done with the web browser. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Roger Luedecke <roger.luedecke@gmail.com> [04-08-12 08:43]:
Looks like I'll be trying out no-ip. I just have to figure if the router supports it and yadda yadda.
This is not a problem, router. I have used no-ip for five or six years to host a photo gallery for youth soccer. I have a cron entry that sends my present ip addr to no-ip every 10 minutes. no-ip provides the script. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Patrick Shanahan wrote:
Looks like I'll be trying out no-ip. I just have to figure if the router supports it and yadda yadda. This is not a problem, router. I have used no-ip for five or six years to host a photo gallery for youth soccer. I have a cron entry that sends my
* Roger Luedecke<roger.luedecke@gmail.com> [04-08-12 08:43]: present ip addr to no-ip every 10 minutes. no-ip provides the script.
I'm on a cable modem. The IP address is so consistent, it's virtually static. Also, the host name is based on the modem and firewall MAC addresses and is consistent, so long as I don't change the hardware. I have the DNS configured to provide an alias to that rather long host name. As I mentioned in another note, I get my DNS service via Google apps. My IPv6 addresses are static but, unfortunately, that DNS service doesn't support IPv6. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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