[SuSE Linux] ZDNN: Dell set to preinstall Linux
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On 23 Mar 99, at 21:43, Fred A. Miller wrote:
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Quoting from that article (about Dell preloading Linux): "In order to get Linux preinstalled on their machines, users must foot a $20 fee (which is $20 more than a system with Windows NT preinstalled)." Is this for real? They expect someone to pay, in effect, close to $200 for Linux? Maybe the author misspoke. -Bob -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archive at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>
Bob, It appears that they charge only charge $119.00 for Linux preinstalled which is more then NT, but you pay for NT as well in the price of the machine. The extra cost only comes when you what to buy their support plan. I am " assuming " that the $20.00 fee is cause they have somebody sitting there installing it...or something stupid like that..heheheh laters, Bob Easton wrote:
On 23 Mar 99, at 21:43, Fred A. Miller wrote:
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Quoting from that article (about Dell preloading Linux): "In order to get Linux preinstalled on their machines, users must foot a $20 fee (which is $20 more than a system with Windows NT preinstalled)." Is this for real? They expect someone to pay, in effect, close to $200 for Linux? Maybe the author misspoke. -Bob
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Bob Easton wrote:
On 23 Mar 99, at 21:43, Fred A. Miller wrote:
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Quoting from that article (about Dell preloading Linux): "In order to get Linux preinstalled on their machines, users must foot a $20 fee (which is $20 more than a system with Windows NT preinstalled)." Is this for real? They expect someone to pay, in effect, close to $200 for Linux? Maybe the author misspoke. -Bob
Na. Nothing like $200. No doubt Dell customers choosing Linux will be paying the m$ tax, however. Also, they arn't going to pay someone to install Linux on each machine. They will do pretty much the same as they do for Win or NT. Just use a "Blaster" to blast the installed Linux image onto the disk, and set the CDROM to fire a configuration program to adjust the installation to the configuration the user has purchased. That means they will have scripts on their setup that will choose which peripherals the user chose out of those available for a Linux install. I would go with VA Research. They know what they are doing. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archive at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>
Bob Easton wrote:
On 23 Mar 99, at 21:43, Fred A. Miller wrote:
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Quoting from that article (about Dell preloading Linux): "In order to get Linux preinstalled on their machines, users must foot a $20 fee (which is $20 more than a system with Windows NT preinstalled)." Is this for real? They expect someone to pay, in effect, close to $200 for Linux? Maybe the author misspoke. -Bob
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I would suspect that you are paying for the installer more than the software. After all even with the progress made on making installs easy you need look no farther than this list to see that it is not without challenges and Dell has no institutional experience. They will need installers that can do more than click OK. Hmmm Wonder if they are hiring, Austin is a pretty kewl place to live. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archive at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>
On Thu, Mar 25, 1999 at 11:40:31AM -0600, Allen Carpenter wrote:
farther than this list to see that it is not without challenges and Dell has no institutional experience. They will need installers that can do more than click OK.
actually all they need to do is mass copy hard drives. Once you have it set up You just copy it, stick it in the machine and it'll run. At my company (~12,000 people), the NT desktops never get "installed", they just get their entire hard drive overwritten with a pre-configured partition off the network. If you crash your drive or screw up your system, too bad, you start over! (data files are saved to the net!) -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archive at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>
I am looking for a good mutiple os boot software..!! ANy suggestion? -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archive at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>
Aiman Hussin wrote:
I am looking for a good mutiple os boot software..!! ANy suggestion?
System Commander is about the best. Around $69. Lilo will do the job as long as you don't get too fancy. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archive at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>
Hi, On Thu, Mar 25, 1999 at 12:40 +0000, Aiman Hussin wrote:
I am looking for a good mutiple os boot software..!! ANy suggestion?
What about lilo? It's free and comes with every linux distribution. If you have DOS or Windows and want something fancy-looking try the wolfpack bootmanager: <A HREF="http://www.crosswinds.net/frankfurt/~adrian/bootm010.zip"><A HREF="http://www.crosswinds.net/frankfurt/~adrian/bootm010.zip</A">http://www.crosswinds.net/frankfurt/~adrian/bootm010.zip</A</A>> Ciao, Stefan -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archive at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>
On Thu, Mar 25, 1999 at 12:40:23PM +0000, Aiman Hussin wrote:
I am looking for a good mutiple os boot software..!! ANy suggestion?
LILO or if you want to start Linux with M$ software, use a boot-flop. In the past I had problems with win95. For some reason, win95 kept overwriting the MBR. Don't ask my why, it had no busines to do so. A boot-flop works always and is probably the cheapest solution. Cees -- batlh ghob yIpab. Adhere to virtue honorably. Mark Okrand, "Star Trek: The Klingon Way - A Warrier's Guide" -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archive at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>
Aiman Hussin wrote:
I am looking for a good mutiple os boot software..!! ANy suggestion?
Try System Commander (available from most commercial software sources). It's quite happy to switch back and forth between Linux and Win98 (among other systems). There's also a shareware product out there called Bootit that might be quite capable. I've downloaded it but not tried it An advantage of Bootit over S.C. is that it lets you simulate the effect of more than three primary partitions, which is what you want if, say, you want to run the free SCO systems (UnixWare and Open Server), since each of those insists on running in a primary partition on the primary drive. Paul -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archive at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>
What about VMWare? <A HREF="http://www.vmware.com"><A HREF="http://www.vmware.com</A">http://www.vmware.com</A</A>> You can continually run one operating system (Linux) and start NT or 95/98 in a separate session if the need be, much like a virtual terminal. Then you just minimize or close the Win session and your back in Linux. VMWare claims you'll still get 900erformance of your Win applications, which is pretty acceptable unless you're doing some real heavy work. But be warned: you'll need a Pentium II 266 with min. of 64 MB RAM to make use of it. "Paul W. Abrahams" wrote:
Aiman Hussin wrote:
I am looking for a good mutiple os boot software..!! ANy suggestion?
Try System Commander (available from most commercial software sources). It's quite happy to switch back and forth between Linux and Win98 (among other systems).
There's also a shareware product out there called Bootit that might be quite capable. I've downloaded it but not tried it An advantage of Bootit over S.C. is that it lets you simulate the effect of more than three primary partitions, which is what you want if, say, you want to run the free SCO systems (UnixWare and Open Server), since each of those insists on running in a primary partition on the primary drive.
Paul
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I think that those who use workstations and servers would have little trouble installing Linux. But this would save them some time. Especially since the OS would be (presumably) configured for the hardware. It will be great when Dell pre loads the OS on their xps line for the average consumer (me). We can then go right to work instead of dealing with hardware/os compatibility issues : ) Hopefully Dell will see merit in offering a choice in distributions. I've used both Redhat and SuSE, and prefer SuSE. My wife uses Dell computers at work and she is on the phone with them all the time. Nothing wrong with the machines. The bosses son insists on deliberately *ucking them up at every opportunity. Their support seems to be very good. But can you imagine the average first timer "joe-win-dohz" user logging in as root and careening through system and configuration files? What a support nightmare that would be! (Have I read that line somewhere before?) I think Linux will have to mature into a much more polished (i.e. easy to use without any thought) "product" before it will be acceptable to "joe-win-dohz". I think as more hardware manufacturers release the info necessary to produce drivers (or better, produce drivers themselves and release the code?) and major software companies see the light, we will begin to see a much more refined Linux (applications not the os). I think we all know that configuration and DOCUMENTATION are major stumbling blocks for joe average. I applaud the work that has been accomplished thus far. But lets face it, while a few guys sprawled about the world can produce extraordinary applications those same people apparently can't place themselves at, say my level, and write documentation that I can easily follow. Most documentation takes for granted that I know far more than I really do. I'm not that smart. I have, at last count, 11 Linux books. In the past year I've printed out god only knows how many how-to's and readme's, and read many many more. And I still feel stupid. Though I've improved a great deal, I'm no programmer. Never will be. Well...ah...what was this all about? Oh yeah, Dell... Sorry for getting on the soap box. Tim "Fred A. Miller" wrote:
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