[opensuse] Installation problem
On my desktop I deleted the partitions / and /home in order to make a fresh install for which I used the Tumbleweed 20150227 DVD. The install went flawless until, after the restart, the standard wallpaper appeared without the default panel. Trying to make a panel ended in a mess. Another trial with a newly downloaded DVD gave the same results. Has anybody a suggestion how to solve this situation? Thanks in advance. André den Oudsten -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Op donderdag 5 maart 2015 00:52:17 schreef A. den Oudsten:
On my desktop I deleted the partitions / and /home in order to make a fresh install for which I used the Tumbleweed 20150227 DVD. The install went flawless until, after the restart, the standard wallpaper appeared without the default panel.
What do you mean by panel? The one with the Desktop Folder or the System Tray on the bottom of your screen? The used names for these are respectively Widget and Panel. You can create the Desktop Folder by Unlocking Widgets and after that Add Widget, which gives you a bar with the available widgets. In the text box you can enter folder which gives you one or more widgets in that bar. Click on the Folder widget and drag it on some free space on your screen. Hoovering above that widget shows you among others a wrench you can click on to configure the folder. You can choose the Desktop folder to be shown in there.
Trying to make a panel ended in a mess. Another trial with a newly downloaded DVD gave the same results. Has anybody a suggestion how to solve this situation? Thanks in advance. André den Oudsten
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Op 05-03-15 om 12:12 schreef Freek de Kruijf:
Op donderdag 5 maart 2015 00:52:17 schreef A. den Oudsten:
On my desktop I deleted the partitions / and /home in order to make a fresh install for which I used the Tumbleweed 20150227 DVD. The install went flawless until, after the restart, the standard wallpaper appeared without the default panel. What do you mean by panel? The one with the Desktop Folder or the System Tray on the bottom of your screen? The used names for these are respectively Widget and Panel.
You can create the Desktop Folder by Unlocking Widgets and after that Add Widget, which gives you a bar with the available widgets. In the text box you can enter folder which gives you one or more widgets in that bar. Click on the Folder widget and drag it on some free space on your screen. Hoovering above that widget shows you among others a wrench you can click on to configure the folder. You can choose the Desktop folder to be shown in there. When I choose Widget or Panel I get rectangles somewhere on the screen, and no more
By the way: I did this exercise of deleting partitions to avoid kwallet installed.
Trying to make a panel ended in a mess. Another trial with a newly downloaded DVD gave the same results. Has anybody a suggestion how to solve this situation? Thanks in advance. André den Oudsten
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On 03/04/2015 06:52 PM, A. den Oudsten wrote:
On my desktop I deleted the partitions / and /home in order to make a
I can understand deleting the ROOT partition but i don't understand deleting /home. The reason I say this is that i have done that in the past but retained all the personalized settings, no only of the desktop layout but all the dot files for various othr applications whose settigns I wanted to keep. For historic reasons my UID is 500 so I had to hand edit the /etc/passwd file
fresh install for which I used the Tumbleweed 20150227 DVD. The install went flawless until, after the restart, the standard wallpaper appeared without the default panel.
You don't say what desktop you are using, KDE, Gnome, whatever. You also don't say if you created a new account to get to this point or if you use the root account. Note above, I preserved /home so that all the settings for my desktop, the widgets on it, the static panel that I have at the bottom of the screen and the mouseover one at the side are all these folloing upgrades.
Trying to make a panel ended in a mess.
*HOW did you try to make the panel? -- /"\ \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML Mail / \ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/03/15 23:45, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 03/04/2015 06:52 PM, A. den Oudsten wrote:
On my desktop I deleted the partitions / and /home in order to make a I can understand deleting the ROOT partition but i don't understand deleting /home.
I can - and I never keep my /home partition because keeping the settings more often than not leads to problems when a new version of oS is installed. However......
The reason I say this is that i have done that in the past but retained all the personalized settings, no only of the desktop layout but all the dot files for various othr applications whose settigns I wanted to keep.
.....what I *do* do is create a folder on another drive - let's call it 'Hotel' - and I put all the _important_ folders there - eg, Downloads, Correspondence, .mozilla, .thunderbird, whatever you think is important to you - and then create SYMLINKS to them from the /home directory. Doing it this way, I can safely format a drive without any worry when installing a new version of oS because all the important files I need are already safely sitting in another place. All I then need to do is to (re)create the symlinks to the files in /Hotel/<whatever> . There is also another advantage to this and that is that I can have - like I do/did have at least a couple of versions of openSUSE installed and by using the symlinks I can use the same files - eg, Downloads or Correspondence - from all the installed versions.
For historic reasons my UID is 500 so I had to hand edit the /etc/passwd file
fresh install for which I used the Tumbleweed 20150227 DVD. The install went flawless until, after the restart, the standard wallpaper appeared without the default panel. You don't say what desktop you are using, KDE, Gnome, whatever. You also don't say if you created a new account to get to this point or if you use the root account.
Note above, I preserved /home so that all the settings for my desktop, the widgets on it, the static panel that I have at the bottom of the screen and the mouseover one at the side are all these folloing upgrades.
Trying to make a panel ended in a mess. *HOW did you try to make the panel?
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On 03/05/2015 08:16 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 05/03/15 23:45, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 03/04/2015 06:52 PM, A. den Oudsten wrote:
On my desktop I deleted the partitions / and /home in order to make a I can understand deleting the ROOT partition but i don't understand deleting /home.
I can - and I never keep my /home partition because keeping the settings more often than not leads to problems when a new version of oS is installed.
However......
The reason I say this is that i have done that in the past but retained all the personalized settings, no only of the desktop layout but all the dot files for various othr applications whose settigns I wanted to keep.
.....what I *do* do is create a folder on another drive - let's call it 'Hotel' - and I put all the _important_ folders there - eg, Downloads, Correspondence, .mozilla, .thunderbird, whatever you think is important to you - and then create SYMLINKS to them from the /home directory. Doing it this way, I can safely format a drive without any worry when installing a new version of oS because all the important files I need are already safely sitting in another place. All I then need to do is to (re)create the symlinks to the files in /Hotel/<whatever> .
It seems rather rococo and misses out on a lot. The "lot" are things in /etc, for example, things like the Apache and the postfix settings. I suppose a lot of stuff that _was_ in /etc could be subsumed by using LDAP or YP, but that just means its on another machine -- the database server -- or is on /var and OOPS! That's been deleted or formatted. *sigh* But what the heck! If you're using YOP and all that then you could the persoanlised files on the server as a roaming mount using NFS. I've done taht for varying degrees up to an indlcuing having all of ~anton being on NFS and /home on the workstation(s) being empty and having /home/<user> created dynmically by the login process -- see PAM for details. Its all well documented. Heck, SUN was doing this back in the 1980s.
There is also another advantage to this and that is that I can have - like I do/did have at least a couple of versions of openSUSE installed and by using the symlinks I can use the same files - eg, Downloads or Correspondence - from all the installed versions.
Quite apart from my NFS example above, this could be done quite simply with retaining a /home PROVIDED the versions weren't too far apart. As for things like ~/Downloads, or in my case ~/Documents and ~/Photogrpahy, that's all application level stuff. If you have problems with tar or zip unpacking downloads between different versions of Suse then there is something very, very wrong. As I've mentioned before, I use LVM and I have many partitions under the mapper. I have ~/Downloads and ~/Documents as mountable partitions that survive the Ginnungagap of the end of one release and the initiation of the next as a 'hard' upgrade. Mounting is straight forward and this technique can be used regardless of whether that part of the tree is local/LVM or on a NFS server. My experience is that preserving the settings in the DOT files under ~anton and ~root is very important. The times I've had problems with this can be counted on the thumb of one hand and involved changing from mandrive to suse. Within suse there is a lot more compatibility. The changes are easy to categorise. 1. Things you *should* always keep and which *always* survive These are things like the .profile and which are very personally customised and which will always survive up[grades. Bash is bash and will be forward compatible. 2. Things that silently upgrade the config My experience is that applications like GIMP do this. When 2.8 replaced 2.6 all the config moved and the 2.6 directories were emptied. I've met a few like that, 3. Ones that upgrade noisily. They tell you. 4. One that the the developers have modified so much that the old is no longer compatible. Sometimes this applies to the data files as well as the config. It has nothing to do with upgrading the OS itself, it is about the application. It *may* be included in an OS upgrade, as KDE4 was, but it also happens independently, such as the change from perl5 to perl6. All in all I think the idea of deleting all of /home is not a good idea. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 03/05/2015 11:08 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
'Hotel' - and I put all the _important_ folders there - eg, Downloads, Correspondence, .mozilla, .thunderbird, whatever you think is important to you - and then create SYMLINKS to them from the /home directory. Doing it this way, I can safely format a drive without any worry when installing a new version of oS because all the important files I need are already safely sitting in another place. All I then need to do is to (re)create the symlinks to the files in /Hotel/<whatever> . It seems rather rococo and misses out on a lot. The "lot" are things in /etc, for example, things like the Apache and
.....what I *do* do is create a folder on another drive - let's call it the postfix settings.
I suppose a lot of stuff that _was_ in /etc could be subsumed by using LDAP or YP, but that just means its on another machine -- the database server -- or is on /var and OOPS! That's been deleted or formatted. *sigh*
When I do a fresh install, the first thing I do is create a full backup of the entire system, so that anything I might need is available. It also allows me to restore to the original, if necessary. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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