[opensuse] Russian language support
We have had a request from a potential user if they can use openSUSE in Russian. I see support, so I know there is something. I think the main area of use would be KDE on openSUSE 11.2. Does anyone on this list use openSUSE 11.2 / KDE in Russian? Is the support usable? -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Roger Oberholtzer <roger@opq.se> wrote:
We have had a request from a potential user if they can use openSUSE in Russian. I see support, so I know there is something. I think the main area of use would be KDE on openSUSE 11.2.
Does anyone on this list use openSUSE 11.2 / KDE in Russian? Is the support usable?
It depends on what do they want. I'm using SUSE / KDE with Russian for many years (latest on 11.3/KDE4, before that everything with KDE3), but I do not like the GUI and messages translation. So I usually set locale to Russian, but try selecting English for messages and GUI. There are few issues with different encodings of Cyrillic (e.g. in MP3 tags), but mostly it works OK. I've seen people sending on this list screenshots with GUI in Russian, so it definitely works as well. Regards, -- Mark Goldstein -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 13:45 +0200, Mark Goldstein wrote:
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Roger Oberholtzer <roger@opq.se> wrote:
We have had a request from a potential user if they can use openSUSE in Russian. I see support, so I know there is something. I think the main area of use would be KDE on openSUSE 11.2.
Does anyone on this list use openSUSE 11.2 / KDE in Russian? Is the support usable?
It depends on what do they want. I'm using SUSE / KDE with Russian for many years (latest on 11.3/KDE4, before that everything with KDE3), but I do not like the GUI and messages translation. So I usually set locale to Russian, but try selecting English for messages and GUI. There are few issues with different encodings of Cyrillic (e.g. in MP3 tags), but mostly it works OK. I've seen people sending on this list screenshots with GUI in Russian, so it definitely works as well.
I will set up a user to see what happens. I will only be able to assess that things look Cyrillic. Not that they make sense. I am not so worried about things like mp3 file tags. This is a specialized measurement system. The main language issues are names for icons on the desktop, and things like dolphin, konsole (directory names in Cyrillic), editors like kate and vim. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Roger Oberholtzer <roger@opq.se> wrote:
On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 13:45 +0200, Mark Goldstein wrote:
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Roger Oberholtzer <roger@opq.se> wrote:
We have had a request from a potential user if they can use openSUSE in Russian. I see support, so I know there is something. I think the main area of use would be KDE on openSUSE 11.2.
Does anyone on this list use openSUSE 11.2 / KDE in Russian? Is the support usable?
It depends on what do they want. I'm using SUSE / KDE with Russian for many years (latest on 11.3/KDE4, before that everything with KDE3), but I do not like the GUI and messages translation. So I usually set locale to Russian, but try selecting English for messages and GUI. There are few issues with different encodings of Cyrillic (e.g. in MP3 tags), but mostly it works OK. I've seen people sending on this list screenshots with GUI in Russian, so it definitely works as well.
I will set up a user to see what happens. I will only be able to assess that things look Cyrillic. Not that they make sense. I am not so worried about things like mp3 file tags. This is a specialized measurement system. The main language issues are names for icons on the desktop, and things like dolphin, konsole (directory names in Cyrillic), editors like kate and vim.
Icon names should be OK. FIlenames and directories should also work, but check regarding encoding, especially if your users want to transfer files between Linux and Windows. Probably if you use UTF8, it should be OK, but worth checking, since in Windows they most probable use CP-1251. I remember having unzipped some archives where the names of files and directories were in CP-1251, and getting some abracadabra... Regards, -- Mark Goldstein -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 20 Sep 2010, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
We have had a request from a potential user if they can use openSUSE in Russian. I see support, so I know there is something. I think the main area of use would be KDE on openSUSE 11.2.
Does anyone on this list use openSUSE 11.2 / KDE in Russian? Is the support usable?
KDE works very well with various language settings - I know people who use it in Slovak and English on the same and separate user accounts with no problems. The filesystem (ext3 and 4 at least) and dolphin etc have no problems with the character encodings (I receive files with Polish, Slovak and Russian filenames from various places, and have some in various Chinese encodings) but some commandline utilities *may* throw errors, especially 'quick hack' shell scripts. Also, exchanging these files with Windows is sometimes problematic - vfat formatted USB sticks being the major sticking point I've come across. The only complaint I've heard is that some (usually little used) menu and dialog options are untranslated and so default to English, and of course non KDE apps will have their own possible issues (Openoffice, for example.) -- “ ‘... but there is so much else behind what I say. It makes itself known to me so slowly, so incompletely! ...’ ” -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 13:56 +0100, Dylan wrote:
On Monday 20 Sep 2010, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
We have had a request from a potential user if they can use openSUSE in Russian. I see support, so I know there is something. I think the main area of use would be KDE on openSUSE 11.2.
Does anyone on this list use openSUSE 11.2 / KDE in Russian? Is the support usable?
KDE works very well with various language settings - I know people who use it in Slovak and English on the same and separate user accounts with no problems. The filesystem (ext3 and 4 at least) and dolphin etc have no problems with the character encodings (I receive files with Polish, Slovak and Russian filenames from various places, and have some in various Chinese encodings) but some commandline utilities *may* throw errors, especially 'quick hack' shell scripts. Also, exchanging these files with Windows is sometimes problematic - vfat formatted USB sticks being the major sticking point I've come across. The only complaint I've heard is that some (usually little used) menu and dialog options are untranslated and so default to English, and of course non KDE apps will have their own possible issues (Openoffice, for example.)
OpenOffice has a Russian variant. I set the interface language to Russian and it did that. I also set the default document language to Russian. I have not tried to share files with a Russain Word. Still, this will not be a major use for this system. I think file names will be the biggest issue. And, I bet vfat will be the transfer medium of choice. So that is perhaps where I need to spend a bit of time investigating. As a first step, I sent a ksnapshot file of the Russian desktop. ksnapshot offered "снимок1.png" as the file name. I left it that way and attached it to an e-mail message sent from evolution. It will go to an MS Exchange user. Time for a variation on the cocktail party effect. I wonder where the name will break. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 20 September 2010 17:20:24 Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
OpenOffice has a Russian variant. I set the interface language to Russian and it did that. I also set the default document language to Russian. I have not tried to share files with a Russain Word.
No encoding problems with transferring from/to Russian Word.
Still, this will not be a major use for this system. I think file names will be the biggest issue.
Also no issues apparently.
And, I bet vfat will be the transfer medium of choice. So that is perhaps where I need to spend a bit of time investigating. As a first step, I sent a ksnapshot file of the Russian desktop. ksnapshot offered "снимок1.png" as the file name. I left it that way and attached it to an e-mail message sent from evolution. It will go to an MS Exchange user. Time for a variation on the cocktail party effect. I wonder where the name will break.
One major problem is that OpenSUSE forum's notifications all sent in incorrect encoding to Russian users which is why they receive abracadabra. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Are there any Russian manuals for openSUSE (docbook/pdf that we could print locally is fine)? Or for KDE 4 in general? Perhaps a good Russian language magazine that would help new users get comfortable? As I do not know Russian, I cannot ask this on the Russian openSUSE forum... -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 20 Sep 2010, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
Are there any Russian manuals for openSUSE (docbook/pdf that we could print locally is fine)? Or for KDE 4 in general? Perhaps a good Russian language magazine that would help new users get comfortable?
As I do not know Russian, I cannot ask this on the Russian openSUSE forum...
You could try asking there in English, and explaining why - I'm sure there will be plenty of English speakers there! -- “ ‘... but there is so much else behind what I say. It makes itself known to me so slowly, so incompletely! ...’ ” -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 20 September 2010 18:02:39 Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
Are there any Russian manuals for openSUSE (docbook/pdf that we could print locally is fine)? Or for KDE 4 in general? Perhaps a good Russian language magazine that would help new users get comfortable?
There is but for OpenSUSE 10.3: http://open-suse.ru/uploads/files/opensuse-manual_ru.pdf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
We have had a request from a potential user if they can use openSUSE in Russian. I see support, so I know there is something. I think the main area of use would be KDE on openSUSE 11.2.
Does anyone on this list use openSUSE 11.2 / KDE in Russian? Is the support usable?
send the potential user to openSUSE's Russian language forums, where s/he will find daily users: http://forums.opensuse.org/other-languages/p-russian/ just pick the most appropriate of three sub-forums: Железо Сообщество Разговоры DenverD -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 20 September 2010 17:11:37 DenverD wrote:
We have had a request from a potential user if they can use openSUSE in Russian. I see support, so I know there is something. I think the main area of use would be KDE on openSUSE 11.2.
Does anyone on this list use openSUSE 11.2 / KDE in Russian? Is the support usable?
send the potential user to openSUSE's Russian language forums, where s/he will find daily users:
Yes. And also there are other Russian SUSE-related forums: http://open-suse.ru/modules/newbb/ http://linuxforum.ru/viewforum.php?id=11 http://unixforum.org/index.php?showforum=31 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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