[opensuse] openSUSE vs. SLED
Just curious. I went with some of my staff today to the Microsoft launch event for Windows Server 2008, SQL Server 2008 (yeah!) and Visual Studio 2008. Ballmer was there, Tom Brokaw (an American television news reporter) was there and so was... ...Novell. Not only did Ballmer mention "swoosie" three times in his keynote, but I talked to the Novell folks who were running Win2003 in a Xen session under SLES. Chatting with them, I mentioned how I run openSUSE on several desktops and my laptop. They suggested SLED for my laptop. However, they could not tell me what equivelant to openSUSE SLED was. For example, it it something like 10.1? I'm curious how far behind SLED is compared to openSUSE. (On an aside, I mentioned how I use KDE and want to keep it that way. They mentioned that the US folks are more KDE-oriented and the EU folks tend to be more Gnome oriented.) -- kai www.filesite.org || www.4thedadz.com || www.perfectreign.com remember - a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Kai Ponte wrote:
Chatting with them, I mentioned how I run openSUSE on several desktops and my laptop. They suggested SLED for my laptop. However, they could not tell me what equivelant to openSUSE SLED was.
For example, it it something like 10.1? I'm curious how far behind SLED is compared to openSUSE.
It's odd that they couldn't tell you. It's a well known fact that SLES 10 is based on suse 10.1 - in fact many people have installed suse 10.1 packages on sles 10 and vice versa. I run SLES 10 sp1 on my laptop, and it's basically a very refined and bugfixed 10.1. BTW I'm normally a kde guy too, but the gnome+compiz that got installed out of the box on sles 10 SP1 is so smooth that I've been using it.
(On an aside, I mentioned how I use KDE and want to keep it that way. They mentioned that the US folks are more KDE-oriented and the EU folks tend to be more Gnome oriented.)
I doubt it - kde has long been more popular everywhere judging by every desktop survey I've ever seen. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2008-02-27 at 17:34 -0800, Joe Sloan wrote:
For example, it it something like 10.1? I'm curious how far behind SLED is compared to openSUSE.
It's odd that they couldn't tell you. It's a well known fact that SLES 10 is based on suse 10.1 - in fact many people have installed suse 10.1
Not SLES - but SLED. The question is about SLED. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHxhdVtTMYHG2NR9URAoBdAJ42LokWl6cb32ltIeHHP9hM3rpThQCdGj/7 SUOp9zN3yRFvzpW3d3yOH8g= =gThp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Wednesday 2008-02-27 at 17:34 -0800, Joe Sloan wrote:
For example, it it something like 10.1? I'm curious how far behind SLED is compared to openSUSE.
It's odd that they couldn't tell you. It's a well known fact that SLES 10 is based on suse 10.1 - in fact many people have installed suse 10.1
Not SLES - but SLED. The question is about SLED.
Well, the answer is the same. SLES and SLED are the same code base, same kernel etc, all from suse 10.1, but split up into client and server offerings. Actually SLED seems to be mostly a subset of SLES, i.e. no apache server, no j2ee, no database etc, and a hand picked selection of apps, which is why SLED is only about $50 while SLES is about $350 Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday, 28. February 2008 03:43:40 Joe Sloan wrote:
It's a well known fact that SLES 10 is based on suse 10.1 - in fact many Well, the answer is the same. SLES and SLED are the same code base, same kernel etc, all from suse 10.1, but split up into client and server
That's not completely true. Based on yes, same not. The SLE Service packs includes kernel backports, changes to eg GNOME start menu, newer OOo...
Actually SLED seems to be mostly a subset of SLES, i.e. no apache server,
Then I would claim SLES to be a subset of SLED as it has no full desktop. ;-) Bye, Steve -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 11:49:06AM +0100, Stephan Binner wrote:
On Thursday, 28. February 2008 03:43:40 Joe Sloan wrote:
It's a well known fact that SLES 10 is based on suse 10.1 - in fact many Well, the answer is the same. SLES and SLED are the same code base, same kernel etc, all from suse 10.1, but split up into client and server
That's not completely true. Based on yes, same not. The SLE Service packs includes kernel backports, changes to eg GNOME start menu, newer OOo...
Actually SLED seems to be mostly a subset of SLES, i.e. no apache server,
Then I would claim SLES to be a subset of SLED as it has no full desktop. ;-)
To be fully correct... There is one Codebase (Code11 is the internal codename), out of which SLES, SLED and other SLE10 products are made. This codebase was based on SUSE Linux 10.1, but has diverged a bit in the meantime. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2008-02-28 at 11:49 +0100, Stephan Binner wrote:
That's not completely true. Based on yes, same not. The SLE Service packs includes kernel backports, changes to eg GNOME start menu, newer OOo...
Shouldn't it be the other way round? For OOo, I mean, to be best maintained in the desktop version, sled? - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHxpbktTMYHG2NR9URAqX/AJ0Xfx05hpKlEf/JG7IJpsuqdCSyQACeMfbJ xw6TwykUZkKRTZuOmXlNiRs= =wZD2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Feb 28, 08 12:11:31 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Thursday 2008-02-28 at 11:49 +0100, Stephan Binner wrote:
That's not completely true. Based on yes, same not. The SLE Service packs includes kernel backports, changes to eg GNOME start menu, newer OOo...
Shouldn't it be the other way round? For OOo, I mean, to be best maintained in the desktop version, sled?
You have to look at the abbreviations carefully, there is: SLES -> Enterprise Server SLED -> Enterprise Desktop SLE -> meaning the Enterprise edition, a generic term for SLES, SLED and all derivates from them. So the SLE Service packs are Service packs for SLED and SLES. So both of you are right :) Stefan -- Stefan Behlert -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2008-02-29 at 10:40 +0100, Stefan Behlert wrote:
You have to look at the abbreviations carefully, there is:
SLES -> Enterprise Server SLED -> Enterprise Desktop SLE -> meaning the Enterprise edition, a generic term for SLES, SLED and all derivates from them.
So the SLE Service packs are Service packs for SLED and SLES.
Ah! I see. I'll save this for future reference :-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHx905tTMYHG2NR9URAln1AJ9D5ZO3gDbsOVkKQR2WEWYYnB+5OQCgiWv3 9tLFuNXw5fDLTQl4J1AWRTo= =spvw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Stephan Binner wrote:
On Thursday, 28. February 2008 03:43:40 Joe Sloan wrote:
It's a well known fact that SLES 10 is based on suse 10.1 - in fact many Well, the answer is the same. SLES and SLED are the same code base, same kernel etc, all from suse 10.1, but split up into client and server
That's not completely true. Based on yes, same not. The SLE Service packs includes kernel backports, changes to eg GNOME start menu, newer OOo...
Of course SLE{D,S} has a lot of enhancements, I just meant that suse 10.1 was the starting point, and some packages can be used without problem among SLE{D,S} and suse 10.1
Actually SLED seems to be mostly a subset of SLES, i.e. no apache server,
Then I would claim SLES to be a subset of SLED as it has no full desktop. ;-)
Well, I guess for some definitions of full, that's true. But it's at least a usable desktop. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 28 February 2008 08:46:57 am Joe Sloan wrote:
Stephan Binner wrote:
On Thursday, 28. February 2008 03:43:40 Joe Sloan wrote:
It's a well known fact that SLES 10 is based on suse 10.1 - in fact many
Well, the answer is the same. SLES and SLED are the same code base, same kernel etc, all from suse 10.1, but split up into client and server
That's not completely true. Based on yes, same not. The SLE Service packs includes kernel backports, changes to eg GNOME start menu, newer OOo...
Of course SLE{D,S} has a lot of enhancements, I just meant that suse 10.1 was the starting point, and some packages can be used without problem among SLE{D,S} and suse 10.1
Actually SLED seems to be mostly a subset of SLES, i.e. no apache server,
Then I would claim SLES to be a subset of SLED as it has no full desktop. ;-)
Well, I guess for some definitions of full, that's true. But it's at least a usable desktop.
Can I install things like Kaffeine and other items. IOTW, do the community repositories work? -- kai www.filesite.org || www.4thedadz.com || www.perfectreign.com remember - a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Kai Ponte escribió:
Can I install things like Kaffeine and other items. IOTW, do the community repositories work?
There is no warranty that they will work, but they should, if you are not a corporate user ( where SLED is targetted to) I suggest you to use openSUSE instead. -- "Morality is merely an interpretation of certain phenomena — more precisely, a misinterpretation." - Friedrich Nietzsche Cristian Rodríguez R. Platform/OpenSUSE - Core Services SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Research & Development http://www.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 28 February 2008 01:33:36 pm Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
Kai Ponte escribió:
Can I install things like Kaffeine and other items. IOTW, do the community repositories work?
There is no warranty that they will work, but they should, if you are not a corporate user ( where SLED is targetted to) I suggest you to use openSUSE instead.
Well, I'm technically a corporate user. My laptop is corporate issued and supposed to be supported by my staff. However, I use it as my personal laptop as well. I imagine that SLED/SLES and openSUSE will make its way eventually into our world. I was shocked this morning. In a meeting with our CIO, I'd mentioned Microsoft security in Server 2008. He joked back that "microsoft security" is an oxymoron like "military intelligence." I almost couldn't believe my ears. I know our retirement system is all Novell-based. They have SLED workstations and SLES servers next to some z-Series mainframes. -- kai www.filesite.org || www.4thedadz.com || www.perfectreign.com remember - a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Philip Dowie wrote:
He joked back that "microsoft security" is an oxymoron like "military intelligence."
I think "Microsoft Works" is the best example of a M$ based oxymoron...
'Bout as close as one can get. It's like put "honesty and integrity" and Al Gore in the same sentence. ;) Fred -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 28 February 2008 06:41:25 pm Fred A. Miller wrote:
Philip Dowie wrote:
He joked back that "microsoft security" is an oxymoron like "military intelligence."
I think "Microsoft Works" is the best example of a M$ based oxymoron...
'Bout as close as one can get. It's like put "honesty and integrity" and Al Gore in the same sentence. ;)
Hey, give the guy a break. First off, he invented the internet. Second, he was in the white house and Monica completely snubbed him. :) Back on topic - is there any memory difference between 32-bit versions of SLED or openSUSE? In other words, would one handle more memory than the other? -- kai www.filesite.org || www.4thedadz.com || www.perfectreign.com remember - a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Kai Ponte wrote:
On Thursday 28 February 2008 06:41:25 pm Fred A. Miller wrote:
Philip Dowie wrote:
He joked back that "microsoft security" is an oxymoron like "military intelligence." I think "Microsoft Works" is the best example of a M$ based oxymoron... 'Bout as close as one can get. It's like put "honesty and integrity" and Al Gore in the same sentence. ;)
Hey, give the guy a break.
First off, he invented the internet.
Second, he was in the white house and Monica completely snubbed him. :)
Hehehehehehe.......Inconvenient Lie and all. Monica is never going to be known for anything else. ;)
Back on topic - is there any memory difference between 32-bit versions of SLED or openSUSE?
In other words, would one handle more memory than the other?
The factor kernel will now handle 4GB so I would say "no." Of course, if there's a need to access more than that, then the 64-bit release should be installed. Fred -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 28 February 2008 08:18:48 pm Fred A. Miller wrote:
Back on topic - is there any memory difference between 32-bit versions of SLED or openSUSE?
In other words, would one handle more memory than the other?
The factor kernel will now handle 4GB so I would say "no." Of course, if there's a need to access more than that, then the 64-bit release should be installed.
So - and I kind of got lost in the whole 32-bit vs. 64-bit thread - a 32-bit dual core processor should theoretically be able to handle 4GB in either openSUSE Factory or SLED? I'm just wondering if it would be worth my while to buy another 2GB for my laptop. This would mostly be for virtualization as I like to allocate as much memory as possible to those - erm - lesser operating systems running in virtual machines. -- kai www.filesite.org || www.4thedadz.com || www.perfectreign.com remember - a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Kai Ponte wrote:
On Thursday 28 February 2008 08:18:48 pm Fred A. Miller wrote:
Back on topic - is there any memory difference between 32-bit versions of SLED or openSUSE?
In other words, would one handle more memory than the other? The factor kernel will now handle 4GB so I would say "no." Of course, if there's a need to access more than that, then the 64-bit release should be installed.
So - and I kind of got lost in the whole 32-bit vs. 64-bit thread - a 32-bit dual core processor should theoretically be able to handle 4GB in either openSUSE Factory or SLED?
Yes. But, there some MOB that don't have chipsets that will play nice in this regard.
I'm just wondering if it would be worth my while to buy another 2GB for my laptop. This would mostly be for virtualization as I like to allocate as much memory as possible to those - erm - lesser operating systems running in virtual machines.
I would assume all should be well. I haven't messed with virtualization because I just don't seen the need to do so. There's NOTHING MickySoft that I need to run, nor my clients need to run. It's my opinion that virtualization is a solution in search of a problem. MY opinion only, and is NOT intended to be anything else. Fred -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 28 February 2008 09:13:48 pm Fred A. Miller wrote:
Kai Ponte wrote:
On Thursday 28 February 2008 08:18:48 pm Fred A. Miller wrote:
Back on topic - is there any memory difference between 32-bit versions of SLED or openSUSE?
In other words, would one handle more memory than the other?
The factor kernel will now handle 4GB so I would say "no." Of course, if there's a need to access more than that, then the 64-bit release should be installed.
So - and I kind of got lost in the whole 32-bit vs. 64-bit thread - a 32-bit dual core processor should theoretically be able to handle 4GB in either openSUSE Factory or SLED?
Yes. But, there some MOB that don't have chipsets that will play nice in this regard.
Okay, I'll ask then. I have a co-worker who runs SLED on his laptop, which is the same as mine. I think he has 4GB.
I'm just wondering if it would be worth my while to buy another 2GB for my laptop. This would mostly be for virtualization as I like to allocate as much memory as possible to those - erm - lesser operating systems running in virtual machines.
I would assume all should be well. I haven't messed with virtualization because I just don't seen the need to do so. There's NOTHING MickySoft that I need to run, nor my clients need to run. It's my opinion that virtualization is a solution in search of a problem. MY opinion only, and is NOT intended to be anything else.
It has definite uses for me. I've been a VM geek ever since I first got my hands on VMWare. I - for example - have on VM running XP for those times I need it. I also am alpha testing openSUSE 11 under a VM. (Virtual Box) I am writing a program in Netbeans (Java) for my father-in-law and using a VM to test it. He belongs to the Cult of Mac so I need to make sure my app runs according to the the Ways of the Mac (tm). -- kai www.filesite.org || www.4thedadz.com || www.perfectreign.com remember - a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Kai Ponte wrote: [snip]
Yes. But, there some MOB that don't have chipsets that will play nice in this regard.
Okay, I'll ask then. I have a co-worker who runs SLED on his laptop, which is the same as mine. I think he has 4GB.
I assume he updated not that long ago, and if so, he has the latest factory kernel.
I'm just wondering if it would be worth my while to buy another 2GB for my laptop. This would mostly be for virtualization as I like to allocate as much memory as possible to those - erm - lesser operating systems running in virtual machines. I would assume all should be well. I haven't messed with virtualization because I just don't seen the need to do so. There's NOTHING MickySoft that I need to run, nor my clients need to run. It's my opinion that virtualization is a solution in search of a problem. MY opinion only, and is NOT intended to be anything else.
It has definite uses for me. I've been a VM geek ever since I first got my hands on VMWare.
I - for example - have on VM running XP for those times I need it.
I guess some do.....I never have. ;)
I also am alpha testing openSUSE 11 under a VM. (Virtual Box)
'Don't have the time to play with 11 right now, but sure wish I did!
I am writing a program in Netbeans (Java) for my father-in-law and using a VM to test it. He belongs to the Cult of Mac so I need to make sure my app runs according to the the Ways of the Mac (tm).
Hehehehe....ok. Well, better a Mac than MickySoft! Fred -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Feb 27, 2008, at 7:34 PM, Joe Sloan wrote:
Kai Ponte wrote:
(On an aside, I mentioned how I use KDE and want to keep it that way. They mentioned that the US folks are more KDE-oriented and the EU folks tend to be more Gnome oriented.)
I doubt it - kde has long been more popular everywhere judging by every desktop survey I've ever seen.
Typically it's the US that is more GNOME oriented and KDE is bigger with the Europeans. And there was a survey that had GNOME more popular. Kevin "Yo" Dupuy | Linux Mail: <kevin.dupuy@opensuse.org> Hope for America: Ron Paul for President <RonPaul2008.com> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Kevin Dupuy wrote:
Typically it's the US that is more GNOME oriented and KDE is bigger with the Europeans.
And there was a survey that had GNOME more popular.
Oh, right, that survey of gnome developers. I heard about that one... Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Joe Sloan wrote:
Kevin Dupuy wrote:
Typically it's the US that is more GNOME oriented and KDE is bigger with the Europeans.
And there was a survey that had GNOME more popular.
Oh, right, that survey of gnome developers. I heard about that one...
That was my reaction as well. NO ONE has wanted Gnome when I've shown it to them...ALL want KDE and that's a LOT of systems. Fred -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 22:27 -0500, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Joe Sloan wrote:
Kevin Dupuy wrote:
Typically it's the US that is more GNOME oriented and KDE is bigger with the Europeans.
And there was a survey that had GNOME more popular.
Oh, right, that survey of gnome developers. I heard about that one...
That was my reaction as well. NO ONE has wanted Gnome when I've shown it to them...ALL want KDE and that's a LOT of systems.
I've had one system that I gave to another person nuked over to gnome. Personally I like it and use it on occasion, but the target system was actually for folks who were Windows users, the the "upgrade" was done by a Mac user. Go figure. :( -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Mike McMullin wrote:
On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 22:27 -0500, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Joe Sloan wrote:
Kevin Dupuy wrote:
Typically it's the US that is more GNOME oriented and KDE is bigger with the Europeans.
And there was a survey that had GNOME more popular. Oh, right, that survey of gnome developers. I heard about that one... That was my reaction as well. NO ONE has wanted Gnome when I've shown it to them...ALL want KDE and that's a LOT of systems.
I've had one system that I gave to another person nuked over to gnome. Personally I like it and use it on occasion, but the target system was actually for folks who were Windows users, the the "upgrade" was done by a Mac user. Go figure. :(
Sorry.....I can't. :) Fred -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Mike McMullin wrote:
On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 22:27 -0500, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Joe Sloan wrote:
Kevin Dupuy wrote:
Typically it's the US that is more GNOME oriented and KDE is bigger with the Europeans.
And there was a survey that had GNOME more popular. Oh, right, that survey of gnome developers. I heard about that one... That was my reaction as well. NO ONE has wanted Gnome when I've shown it to them...ALL want KDE and that's a LOT of systems.
I've had one system that I gave to another person nuked over to gnome. Personally I like it and use it on occasion, but the target system was actually for folks who were Windows users, the the "upgrade" was done by a Mac user. Go figure. :(
What a surprise Mac users seem strangely adverse to the concept of "choice" -- ARK -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Typically it's the US that is more GNOME oriented and KDE is bigger with the Europeans.
And there was a survey that had GNOME more popular.
Oh, right, that survey of gnome developers. I heard about that one...
That was my reaction as well. NO ONE has wanted Gnome when I've shown it to them...ALL want KDE and that's a LOT of systems.
I use Gnome at work, and KDE at home. Gnome usually has me swearing at it within... oh... about 2 minutes after I log in (much to the amusement of some of my co-workers). C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Feb 27, 2008, at 9:27 PM, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Joe Sloan wrote:
Kevin Dupuy wrote:
Typically it's the US that is more GNOME oriented and KDE is bigger with the Europeans.
And there was a survey that had GNOME more popular. Oh, right, that survey of gnome developers. I heard about that one...
That was my reaction as well. NO ONE has wanted Gnome when I've shown it to them...ALL want KDE and that's a LOT of systems.
Fred
http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8454912761.html "Desktop environments The desktop environment results held little in the way of surprises. GNOME, in large part because it's Ubuntu's default desktop, came in first with 45 percent of the users. KDE took second place with 35 percent. Interestingly, this is the first time in DesktopLinux.com's surveys that GNOME has out-polled KDE. Signs of a looming upset in standings were apparent last year, when KDE scored 38 percent and GNOME was right behind it at 35 percent." Kevin "Yo" Dupuy | Linux Mail: <kevin.dupuy@opensuse.org> Hope for America: Ron Paul for President <RonPaul2008.com> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 27 February 2008 07:18:44 pm Joe Sloan wrote:
Kevin Dupuy wrote:
Typically it's the US that is more GNOME oriented and KDE is bigger with the Europeans.
And there was a survey that had GNOME more popular.
Oh, right, that survey of gnome developers. I heard about that one...
ROTFL! Now, now, I *honestly* didn't mean to start another flamefest. -- kai www.filesite.org || www.4thedadz.com || www.perfectreign.com remember - a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Kevin Dupuy wrote:
On Feb 27, 2008, at 7:34 PM, Joe Sloan wrote:
Kai Ponte wrote:
(On an aside, I mentioned how I use KDE and want to keep it that way. They mentioned that the US folks are more KDE-oriented and the EU folks tend to be more Gnome oriented.)
I doubt it - kde has long been more popular everywhere judging by every desktop survey I've ever seen.
Typically it's the US that is more GNOME oriented and KDE is bigger with the Europeans.
And there was a survey that had GNOME more popular.
Are these the same people who can't live without beagle :-P ? -- ARK -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
The Magic Nose Goblin wrote:
Kevin Dupuy wrote:
On Feb 27, 2008, at 7:34 PM, Joe Sloan wrote:
Kai Ponte wrote:
(On an aside, I mentioned how I use KDE and want to keep it that way. They mentioned that the US folks are more KDE-oriented and the EU folks tend to be more Gnome oriented.)
I doubt it - kde has long been more popular everywhere judging by every desktop survey I've ever seen.
Typically it's the US that is more GNOME oriented and KDE is bigger with the Europeans.
And there was a survey that had GNOME more popular.
Are these the same people who can't live without beagle :-P ?
Low blow! ;) Fred -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Kai Ponte escribió:
However, they could not tell me what equivelant to openSUSE SLED was.
SLED is based in the SUSE Linux 10.1 codebase. -- "Morality is merely an interpretation of certain phenomena — more precisely, a misinterpretation." - Friedrich Nietzsche Cristian Rodríguez R. Platform/OpenSUSE - Core Services SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Research & Development http://www.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 27 February 2008 06:15:07 pm Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
Kai Ponte escribió:
However, they could not tell me what equivelant to openSUSE SLED was.
SLED is based in the SUSE Linux 10.1 codebase.
Thank you much. The two Novell guys I spoke to had nothing but praise for you SUSE folks. -- kai www.filesite.org || www.4thedadz.com || www.perfectreign.com remember - a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:18:54 -0800, Kai Ponte wrote:
Chatting with them, I mentioned how I run openSUSE on several desktops and my laptop. They suggested SLED for my laptop. However, they could not tell me what equivelant to openSUSE SLED was.
SLED is based on SLES which in turn is based on SUSE Linux 10.1, though SLED has a few enhancements. See http://www.novell.com/en-us/products/desktop/techspecs.html for a detailed package list and other specs. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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