[opensuse] ATI Driver - Which Version?
I have an ATI Radeon 9000 AGP card, and am unsure which version of the ATI driver I should run in opensuse 10.3. The one click method says this newer version 8.41.7 is good for radeon 8500 and newer. But he ATI site shows the older version 8.28.8 from Aug 18, 2006 to be the last version that supports this card. Which one should I install?? Many thanks, Jim F -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jim Flanagan wrote:
I have an ATI Radeon 9000 AGP card, and am unsure which version of the ATI driver I should run in opensuse 10.3. The one click method says this newer version 8.41.7 is good for radeon 8500 and newer. But he ATI site shows the older version 8.28.8 from Aug 18, 2006 to be the last version that supports this card. Which one should I install??
Neither one. The new version does not support your card. The older one does not support anything higher than xorg 7.1. So you are kind of restricted to either use use the opensource radeon drivers, just like I do with my Radeon 9200 :-(( Alternatively you could downgrade to a very old Linux Version with xorg 7.1, but I cannot responsibly advise you to do this. Next time you might go for Nvidia, like I will do. :-) regards Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Eberhard Roloff wrote:
Jim Flanagan wrote:
I have an ATI Radeon 9000 AGP card, and am unsure which version of the ATI driver I should run in opensuse 10.3. The one click method says this newer version 8.41.7 is good for radeon 8500 and newer. But he ATI site shows the older version 8.28.8 from Aug 18, 2006 to be the last version that supports this card. Which one should I install??
Neither one. The new version does not support your card.
The older one does not support anything higher than xorg 7.1.
So you are kind of restricted to either use use the opensource radeon drivers, just like I do with my Radeon 9200 :-((
Alternatively you could downgrade to a very old Linux Version with xorg 7.1, but I cannot responsibly advise you to do this.
Next time you might go for Nvidia, like I will do. :-)
regards Eberhard
Well.....that's a disappointment. It seems no matter what I do I never have the right card for opensuse. I won't spend the money on the new hot cards, and the ones that I think are middle of the road, well, are too old! I suppose its not opensuse's fault that the ATI driver does not support xorg v7.2, and I understand their move forward to new xorg. And ATI does not want to re-write an older driver to support xorg 7.2. But where does that leave us users? End of rant. Many thanks for the help. Jim F -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 31 October 2007, Jim Flanagan wrote:
Eberhard Roloff wrote:
Jim Flanagan wrote:
I have an ATI Radeon 9000 AGP card, and am unsure which version of the ATI driver I should run in opensuse 10.3. The one click method says this newer version 8.41.7 is good for radeon 8500 and newer. But he ATI site shows the older version 8.28.8 from Aug 18, 2006 to be the last version that supports this card. Which one should I install??
Neither one. The new version does not support your card.
The older one does not support anything higher than xorg 7.1.
So you are kind of restricted to either use use the opensource radeon drivers, just like I do with my Radeon 9200 :-((
Alternatively you could downgrade to a very old Linux Version with xorg 7.1, but I cannot responsibly advise you to do this.
Next time you might go for Nvidia, like I will do. :-)
regards Eberhard
Well.....that's a disappointment. It seems no matter what I do I never have the right card for opensuse. I won't spend the money on the new hot cards, and the ones that I think are middle of the road, well, are too old! I suppose its not opensuse's fault that the ATI driver does not support xorg v7.2, and I understand their move forward to new xorg. And ATI does not want to re-write an older driver to support xorg 7.2. But where does that leave us users?
End of rant.
Many thanks for the help.
Jim F
=========== That's not really true Eberhard. The 8.28.8 version supports his card and xorg 7.2. They just never changed their listing above 7.1, but it did support it. The later drivers, as Jim points out, support only 8500 and up cards, so his 9000 should have no problems. I'm guessing the newer drivers also support up to & beyond xorg 7.2, so that also should provide him his needed support. Since AMD has decided to opensource their drivers, plus all the additional work they've poured into them lately, I suspect nvidia is going to have a hard time keeping up, unless you want to be tied to proprietary drivers. That's not what Linux is about. Now having said that, Jim, you are probably going to get only minor improvements by using the ATI driver on that card. It's well supported with the radeon/ati driver built into xorg already. I haven't used the ATI driver for a very long time on either my 9200 or 9600 cards. 3D performance is quite good. So, Jim, you decide what you want to deal with on your setup, but you should be good either way. regards, Lee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hi Brandi, BandiPat wrote:
=========== That's not really true Eberhard. The 8.28.8 version supports his card and xorg 7.2. They just never changed their listing above 7.1, but it did support it.
This is great news. Thanks much!! However this is the very first time I hear that they work. I tried for my live in Ubuntu and SuSE and never ever got something working with 8.28.8 and SuSE 10+ resp. Ubuntu 7.04+. Also I never ever heard of someone getting it working properly but I heard of numerous people not having any success, just like myself. So how to you do it for, say a 9200 and SuSE 10.3 ? The later drivers, as Jim points out, support only
8500 and up cards, so his 9000 should have no problems. Where do you get this from? I can only find and confirm that the latest drivers work from Radeon 9500 and higher.
I'm guessing
the newer drivers also support up to & beyond xorg 7.2, so that also should provide him his needed support.
Yes, but also for, say a 9200 ? How do I successfully do the installation? Since AMD has decided to
opensource their drivers, plus all the additional work they've poured into them lately, Indeeed this is great. But the results of this -yet need to show up -bear no indication that they will yield better support for older boards.
I suspect nvidia is going to have a hard time keeping
up, unless you want to be tied to proprietary drivers. That's not what Linux is about. Well this is a matter of your viewpoint.
I am desperately looking for drivers that support my 9200 in a comparable way to the way windows supports it. As far as I can see there is none. Had I been wise and bought Nvidia back when, I would not need to discuss these things here. And it simply works. If this means that Linux is about "it simply works, but it is proprietary", bluntly, I do not care. ;-))
Now having said that, Jim, you are probably going to get only minor improvements by using the ATI driver on that card. It's well supported with the radeon/ati driver built into xorg already. I haven't used the ATI driver for a very long time on either my 9200 or 9600 cards. 3D performance is quite good.
Well, I can only say that 3D performance is adequate for tuxracer and the like but it is definitely not useable for the latest and greatest eye candy in regard to compizfusion. So, Jim, you decide what you want to deal
with on your setup, but you should be good either way.
regards, Lee
Thanks much in advance for showing us how to make it work with the older drivers. kind regards Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Eberhard Roloff wrote:
Hi Brandi,
Just out of curiosity, I tried once more. I downloaded the latest drivers, installed them by making up an rpm, then installing this and following the proper advice that the installer gave for using SAX on suse to initiate the ATI driver. Result: sax2 crashes badly Then I used aticonfig --initial That rendered my xorg.conf to unuseable. This is what I get: tail -f /var/log/SaX.log ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 0.7 (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 (II) ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Version Identifier:8.42.3 (II) ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Release Identifier: UNSUPPORTED-8.423.2 (II) ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Build Date: Oct 19 2007 16:13:26 (EE) No devices detected. Fatal server error: no screens found Note the word "unsupported". Moreover I was rewarded with a pitch black screen instead of my KDE login screen. Then I used aticonfig --initial That rendered my xorg.conf to unuseable, once again. I am happy that I made a backup, just out of fear. ;-) Kind regards Eberhard 10.2/32bit/Ati Radeon 9200, fglrx deleted and back to Radeon driver, once again. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Eberhard Roloff wrote:
Eberhard Roloff wrote:
Hi Brandi,
Just out of curiosity, I tried once more. I downloaded the latest drivers, installed them by making up an rpm, then installing this and following the proper advice that the installer gave for using SAX on suse to initiate the ATI driver.
Result: sax2 crashes badly
Then I used aticonfig --initial That rendered my xorg.conf to unuseable.
This is what I get:
tail -f /var/log/SaX.log ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 0.7 (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 (II) ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Version Identifier:8.42.3 (II) ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Release Identifier: UNSUPPORTED-8.423.2 (II) ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Build Date: Oct 19 2007 16:13:26 (EE) No devices detected.
Fatal server error: no screens found
Note the word "unsupported". Moreover I was rewarded with a pitch black screen instead of my KDE login screen.
Then I used aticonfig --initial That rendered my xorg.conf to unuseable, once again.
I am happy that I made a backup, just out of fear. ;-)
Kind regards Eberhard 10.2/32bit/Ati Radeon 9200, fglrx deleted and back to Radeon driver, once again.
And this is what I got from the 8.28 old drivers, after executing the ati-driver-installer-8.28.8.run skript: ================================================== ATI Technologies Linux Driver Installer/Packager ================================================== Detected configuration: Architecture: i686 (32-bit) X Server: Xorg 7.2.0 Detected version of X does not have a matching 'x720' directory You may override the detected version using the following syntax: X_VERSION=<xdir> ./ati-driver-installer-<ver>-<arch>.run [--install] The following values may be used for <xdir>: x430 XFree86 4.3.x x430_64a XFree86 4.3.x 64-bit x680 X.Org 6.8.x x680_64a X.Org 6.8.x 64-bit x690 X.Org 6.9.x x690_64a X.Org 6.9.x 64-bit x700 X.Org 7.0.x x700_64a X.Org 7.0.x 64-bit x710 Unknown X Window x710_64a Unknown X Window Removing temporary directory: fglrx-install I assume, you will realize what that means. So either please stop telling us things that you did not try on your own or, much better, be so kind and let us know how you made it working with Xorg 7.2 and Radeon Models smaller than 9500. Kind regards and thanks much for your help Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
same here, got trouble with compiz fusion on radeon 9250. wonder when i can get compiz animation on my box....
Eberhard Roloff wrote: I am happy that I made a backup, just out of fear. ;-)
Kind regards Eberhard 10.2/32bit/Ati Radeon 9200, fglrx deleted and back to Radeon driver, once again.
how to make a backup if i wanna do an experiment? what do you mean with back to back to Radeon driver... is it the way to get compiz works on my box. br, tambun -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
chika wrote:
same here, got trouble with compiz fusion on radeon 9250. wonder when i can get compiz animation on my box....
Eberhard Roloff wrote: I am happy that I made a backup, just out of fear. ;-)
Kind regards Eberhard 10.2/32bit/Ati Radeon 9200, fglrx deleted and back to Radeon driver, once again.
how to make a backup if i wanna do an experiment?
what do you mean with back to back to Radeon driver... is it the way to get compiz works on my box.
br,
tambun
Hi tambun, in this case it is very easy. Although I made a full image of my / partition, jsut in case, it turned out that I simply needed to restore my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file to it's original state. So it may be working like this: 1. become root 2. cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.radeon.working.ok Then install whatever ATI driver you think might be promising. If you are "rewarded" with a blank X screen and nothing working at all, like I was: 1. ctl-F1 to the first console, if that does not work: alt-ctrl-F1 2. login as root 3. init 3 to change back to textmode 4. go to the X11 directory: cd /etc/X11 5. copy your backup file back: cp xorg.conf.radeon.working.ok xorg.conf 6. init 5 to change back to graphical X login Then you should be done with in fact reverting to where you started from. Not nice, not rewarding but at lest, I could continue to do my work. Btw. In the meantime, I got an Nvidia 7600 GS AGP silent card for a song (in exchange to some Linux help that I did for a friend) and I cannot wait to implement it tomorrow. Saying bye, bye to ATI will be a day that I will surely celebrate. ;-)) Kind regards Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
BandiPat wrote:
On Wednesday 31 October 2007, Jim Flanagan wrote:
Eberhard Roloff wrote:
Jim Flanagan wrote:
Which one should I install??
Neither one.
Eberhard
=========== That's not really true Eberhard. The 8.28.8 version supports his card and xorg 7.2. They just never changed their listing above 7.1, but it did support it. The later drivers, as Jim points out, support only 8500 and up cards, so his 9000 should have no problems. I'm guessing the newer drivers also support up to & beyond xorg 7.2, so that also should provide him his needed support. Since AMD has decided to opensource their drivers, plus all the additional work they've poured into them lately, I suspect nvidia is going to have a hard time keeping up, unless you want to be tied to proprietary drivers. That's not what Linux is about.
Now having said that, Jim, you are probably going to get only minor improvements by using the ATI driver on that card. It's well supported with the radeon/ati driver built into xorg already. I haven't used the ATI driver for a very long time on either my 9200 or 9600 cards. 3D performance is quite good. So, Jim, you decide what you want to deal with on your setup, but you should be good either way.
regards, Lee
Just to report back, in my case after finally getting sax2 to work on my system I did get the radeon driver to work with my radeon 9000 card in 3D mode. Glxgears showed about 1600 fps or so, similar to what I got with 10.2. Operating under the beleif that the ATI drivers would not work with this card, I switched it out for my radeon 9800 pro that I never got working under 10.2. Much to my surprise the radeon driver did work with 10.3, even in 3D (never did in 10.2). Its giving about 3600-3800 fps range. Bolstered by that success I then installed the ATI driver with the one click method (version 8.40.4 not 8.41.7 which opensuse reported to be buggy) and this worked also, the first time I ever go an ATI driver to work in this machine. But I find no real benefit to this driver over the radeon driver, it gives the same 3600-3800 fps or so as the radeon driver does, so my results match what Lee said in this regard. Maybe there is a difference in running compiz-fusion, but I haven't gotten to trying that yet. In any case both driver do work with this card. Unfortunately google earth doesn't display properly with either driver on this 9800 pro card. I have my suspicions that there is something wrong with this card due to past problems with it, but it seems to be running everything else well. Sorry for switching gears, or rather cards, in mid stream here, but I had to try out this supposedly better card. It's not working fully yet, but its the best results I've gotten with it so far. I will probably test out the ATI drivers on the 9000 too when I get a chance, since I seem to be in "testing mode" lately. I haven't moved my main install from 10.2 yet, so I can still comfortably test my 10.3 install to check out all the corners so to speak without too much worry of breakage. Once I settle on the best setup I'll probably move fully to 10.3. I see today on opensuse.org/ati they have the newer 8.42.3 ATI driver listed under the one click install, but I have not tried that one yet. Keep the faith! Jim F -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Eberhard Roloff wrote:
Jim Flanagan wrote:
I have an ATI Radeon 9000 AGP card, and am unsure which version of the ATI driver I should run in opensuse 10.3. The one click method says this newer version 8.41.7 is good for radeon 8500 and newer. But he ATI site shows the older version 8.28.8 from Aug 18, 2006 to be the last version that supports this card. Which one should I install??
Neither one. The new version does not support your card.
The older one does not support anything higher than xorg 7.1.
So you are kind of restricted to either use use the opensource radeon drivers, just like I do with my Radeon 9200 :-((
Alternatively you could downgrade to a very old Linux Version with xorg 7.1, but I cannot responsibly advise you to do this.
Next time you might go for Nvidia, like I will do. :-)
regards Eberhard
Well.....that's a disappointment. It seems no matter what I do I never have the right card for opensuse. I won't spend the money on the new hot cards, and the ones that I think are middle of the road, well, are too old! I suppose its not opensuse's fault that the ATI driver does not support xorg v7.2, and I understand their move forward to new xorg. And ATI does not want to re-write an older driver to support xorg 7.2. But where does that leave us users?
End of rant.
Many thanks for the help.
Jim F Well, I understand your feelings. Mine are the same. There was a time when the general advice was to use ATI over Nvidia when it came to Linux. At that time I bought my 9200 and it worked nicely then. Even now
Jim Flanagan wrote: the OpenSource Radeon driver is not bad, but it is not up to scratch in regard to 3D, as well... I can understand that ATI/Amd makes part of a living out of selling cards. On the other hand, if we had very old Nvidia cards, we could still use their legacy drivers with (nearly) any Linux. If we had Nvidia Cards that are of the same generation as our ATI boards, we could use the very latest and greatest of their driver offerings. This is where you learn which card to buy next. Well. times are changing... regards Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Another thing to beware of is suspend to disk. I found that in suse 10.2 the ati driver failed to reanimate properly when resuming so I had to get rid of it. This is probably still a problem...wcn Jim Flanagan wrote:
I have an ATI Radeon 9000 AGP card, and am unsure which version of the ATI driver I should run in opensuse 10.3. The one click method says this newer version 8.41.7 is good for radeon 8500 and newer. But he ATI site shows the older version 8.28.8 from Aug 18, 2006 to be the last version that supports this card. Which one should I install??
Many thanks,
Jim F
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