Tumbleweed Updates Slowed? Or, just doing build out for 6.12?
All, Devs, The past week or so has seen a significant drop in the updates prepared for Tumbleweed. Has there been a change in the update frequency for Tumbleweed, or are there just a significant number of packages waiting on rebuild for the 6.12 update? Just curious. Yasuhiko mentioned a change in the rebuilds for the kde3 repo and mentioned reducing the frequency to save compute resources. I don't know if this is related, but I am curious as to the seeming dearth of updates for TW. What's the scoop? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
On 12-08-2024 07:40PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
All, Devs,
The past week or so has seen a significant drop in the updates prepared for Tumbleweed. Has there been a change in the update frequency for Tumbleweed, or are there just a significant number of packages waiting on rebuild for the 6.12 update?
Just curious. Yasuhiko mentioned a change in the rebuilds for the kde3 repo and mentioned reducing the frequency to save compute resources. I don't know if this is related, but I am curious as to the seeming dearth of updates for TW. What's the scoop?
Hi David, I do not have the answer for you but Tumbleweed is upgraded and *not* updated. Maybe this is not the correct way of thinking about the new packages being prepared for Tumbleweed though on my part. Please do let me know if possible. -Seasons Greetings
On 12/9/24 7:53 PM, -pj via openSUSE Users wrote:
Hi David, I do not have the answer for you but Tumbleweed is upgraded and *not* updated. Maybe this is not the correct way of thinking about the new packages being prepared for Tumbleweed though on my part. Please do let me know if possible.
I think we are talking about the same thing. I'm talking about the new packages listed when I do a zypper dup or zypper lu (which usually shows what will be duped) Now there may be some confusion if lu isn't showing all that would be duped, but since all repos are refreshed before lu runs, it doesn't look like there is any difference. Am I missing something fundamental here? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
On 12-10-2024 11:55AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 12/9/24 7:53 PM, -pj via openSUSE Users wrote:
Hi David, I do not have the answer for you but Tumbleweed is upgraded and *not* updated. Maybe this is not the correct way of thinking about the new packages being prepared for Tumbleweed though on my part. Please do let me know if possible.
I think we are talking about the same thing. I'm talking about the new packages listed when I do a
zypper dup
or
zypper lu
(which usually shows what will be duped)
Now there may be some confusion if lu isn't showing all that would be duped, but since all repos are refreshed before lu runs, it doesn't look like there is any difference.
Am I missing something fundamental here?
I do not think so, upgrades have possibly slowed to the the time of season. I saw this here > https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/factory@lists.opensuse.org/message/... Dear Tumbleweed users and hackers, We’re quickly approaching the end of the year, and I hear more and more people ‘preparing for the holiday’. As with every year, this season will likely slow down Tumbleweed. There are more important things to tend to than sending updates to Factory over and over, something I am sure all readers will support. Our maintainers deserve a break every now and then—after fixing the most critical bugs. This week, the developers are still in full swing and are sending submissions to Factory. The Release Team produced 4 working snapshots (1129, 1202, 1203, and 1204. The most relevant changes delivered to the users during this week were: * Mozilla Firefox 133.0 * LibreOffice 24.8.3.2 * SQLite 3.47.1 * elfutils 0.192 * mozjs 128.5.1 (JS engine used by GNOME-Shell) * systemd 256.9 * libcap 2.73 * Python setuptools 75.6.0 Of the advertised things from last week, most notably systemd and kernel 6.12 have not made it into any snapshot yet: both started showing issues around TPM measuring which have been flagged by openQA and are actively worked on by the developers. Currently, the release team is testing those updates in the staging areas: * Linux kernel 6.12.3 * Systemd 257.x * Rust 1.83 * Python 3.11.11, 3.12.8 Cheers, Dominique - Season Greetings🙂
On 12-10-2024 01:48PM, -pj via openSUSE Users wrote:
On 12-10-2024 11:55AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 12/9/24 7:53 PM, -pj via openSUSE Users wrote:
Hi David, I do not have the answer for you but Tumbleweed is upgraded and *not* updated. Maybe this is not the correct way of thinking about the new packages being prepared for Tumbleweed though on my part. Please do let me know if possible.
I think we are talking about the same thing. I'm talking about the new packages listed when I do a
zypper dup
or
zypper lu
(which usually shows what will be duped)
Now there may be some confusion if lu isn't showing all that would be duped, but since all repos are refreshed before lu runs, it doesn't look like there is any difference.
Am I missing something fundamental here?
I do not think so, upgrades have possibly slowed to the the time of season. I saw this here > https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/factory@lists.opensuse.org/ message/ZQMLZCJAE6JBXJQZBLNK5KW2J75OCAS4/
Dear Tumbleweed users and hackers,
We’re quickly approaching the end of the year, and I hear more and more people ‘preparing for the holiday’. As with every year, this season will likely slow down Tumbleweed. There are more important things to tend to than sending updates
Oh so updates are sent to factory for Tumbleweed upgrades it appears. to Factory over and over, something I am
sure all readers will support. Our maintainers deserve a break every now and then—after fixing the most critical bugs. This week, the developers are still in full swing and are sending submissions to Factory. The Release Team produced 4 working snapshots (1129, 1202, 1203, and 1204.
The most relevant changes delivered to the users during this week were:
* Mozilla Firefox 133.0 * LibreOffice 24.8.3.2 * SQLite 3.47.1 * elfutils 0.192 * mozjs 128.5.1 (JS engine used by GNOME-Shell) * systemd 256.9 * libcap 2.73 * Python setuptools 75.6.0
Of the advertised things from last week, most notably systemd and kernel 6.12 have not made it into any snapshot yet: both started showing issues around TPM measuring which have been flagged by openQA and are actively worked on by the developers. Currently, the release team is testing those updates in the staging areas:
* Linux kernel 6.12.3 * Systemd 257.x * Rust 1.83 * Python 3.11.11, 3.12.8
Cheers, Dominique -
Season Greetings🙂
David C. Rankin composed on 2024-12-10 11:55 (UTC-0600):
-pj wrote:
Hi David, I do not have the answer for you but Tumbleweed is upgraded and *not* updated. Maybe this is not the correct way of thinking about the new packages being prepared for Tumbleweed though on my part. Please do let me know if possible.
I think we are talking about the same thing.
-pj is technically correct. In TW (and Slowroll), update and upgrade are technically & dangerously different. Writing up when dup is meant is hazardous to those seeking help, especially to those seeking help passively, as via search results from DDG, Google or elsewhere rather than mailing list or web forum, where responses can be timely vetted for viability and/or correctness. Running up on TW is asking for trouble. Thus, up for TW, without full qualification, should never be suggested even indirectly.
I'm talking about the new packages listed when I do a
zypper dup
or
zypper lu
(which usually shows what will be duped)
Now there may be some confusion if lu isn't showing all that would be duped, but since all repos are refreshed before lu runs, it doesn't look like there is any difference.
Am I missing something fundamental here?
From man zypper: [quote] Update Management Commands list-updates (lu) [options] List available updates. This command will list only installable updates, i.e. updates which have no dependency problems, or which do not change package vendor. This list is what the update command will propose to install. To list all packages for which newer version are available, use --all option. [/quote] Even the man page could seriously stand improvement. Please avoid technically incorrect language in this context. Problems reported in the forums often result from new TW users who believe update and upgrade are equivalent terms, and use the wrong one for trying to bring their systems fully up-to-date. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
From man zypper: [quote] Update Management Commands list-updates (lu) [options] List available updates.
This command will list only installable updates, i.e. updates which have no dependency problems, or which do not change package vendor. This list is what the update command will propose to install. To list all packages for which newer version are available, use --all option. [/quote]
Even the man page could seriously stand improvement. Please avoid technically incorrect language in this context. Problems reported in the forums often result from new TW users who believe update and upgrade are equivalent terms, and use the wrong one for trying to bring their systems fully up-to-date.
Would it be difficult to initiate a manual page entry for 'zypper lu'? Clearly showing that 'list-updates' is for use with Leap *and* not Tumbleweed? -Seasons Best
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