I concur. For newbs such as myself installing/compiling programs is a daunting task. I've read about RPM and packaging etc. but a how to or "cook book" would be great. My attempts to install Ice Weasel and Putty have proved unsuccessful. On Tue, 2007-07-10 at 09:53 -0600, Donald D Henson wrote:

Another piece of the puzzle. I discovered an applet, opensuseupdater, that appears to work. At least it found and installed an update. Is this part of the total system?

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Donald D Henson wrote:

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There are two icons in my toolbar, Install Software and Update Software. These icons are apparently related to Novell Zenworks and something called Rug, neither of which I understand. I can find very little "how to" info on either. What technical info I can find tends to be arguments about whether Zenworks/Rug is a step forward or a step backward. Under the circumstances, I think my confusion is reasonable.

Would anyone out there care to give me a quick synopsis of Zenworks/Rug and some simple rules on how to use them? A Zenworks/Rug for Dummies online article would also be helpful.

Thanks.

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I unfortunately did not find the link you mentioned when I went to the site. I however will keep looking. thanks On Tue, 2007-07-10 at 21:02 -0500, Sunny wrote:

On 7/10/07, David H. Williams wrote:

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I concur. For newbs such as myself installing/compiling programs is a daunting task. I've read about RPM and packaging etc. but a how to or "cook book" would be great. My attempts to install Ice Weasel and Putty have proved unsuccessful.

There is no need to compile in most of the cases. Here is the official documentation: http://www.novell.com/documentation/opensuse102/

Click on the plus sign next to "Installing and setup" and then select Install or Remove software. There is section for additional package repositories.

In other words you do nopt need to know anything about rug/zenworks etc. Use YaST, and later smart. You can find more info on opensuse.org site - search for "smart package manager".

Of course, which package manager to use is matter of personal taste, but I really like smart.

Cheers

-- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny)

Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap.

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On Tuesday 10 July 2007 10:53, Donald D Henson wrote:

Another piece of the puzzle. I discovered an applet, opensuseupdater, that appears to work. At least it found and installed an update. Is this part of the total system?

Donald D. Henson, Managing Director West El Paso Information Network The "Non-Initiation of Force Principle" Rules

Donald D Henson wrote:

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There are two icons in my toolbar, Install Software and Update Software. These icons are apparently related to Novell Zenworks and something called Rug, neither of which I understand. I can find very little "how to" info on either. What technical info I can find tends to be arguments about whether Zenworks/Rug is a step forward or a step backward. Under the circumstances, I think my confusion is reasonable.

Would anyone out there care to give me a quick synopsis of Zenworks/Rug and some simple rules on how to use them? A Zenworks/Rug for Dummies online article would also be helpful.

Thanks.

The shortest advice for Zenworks/Rug is remove them from your system and use YaST, zypper and opensuseupdater. The Zenworks/Rug is somewhat bad solution for openSUSE as it is meant for automatic updates from carefully maintained repository, like in enterprises, where any update is already tested to work with current system, before being provided trough repository. In openSUSE case carefully tested is only update repository that is covered with opensuseupdater. The rest of official openSUSE repositories is static, they do not change after they are published. That is not always the case with additional (unofficial) repositories that can be used, but with some experience in handling packages from those repositories in case that YaST reports dependency problems, IMHO they are not meant for automatic updates, nor for inexperienced users. See also: http://en.opensuse.org/yast http://en.opensuse.org/Zypper http://en.opensuse.org/KDE_Updater_Applet and of course -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Yikes, I thought the answer was not to switch to smart, but rather to use the open suse updater which comes on the 10.2 install disks. The "enterprise" updater is admittedly problematic for most users, but the "opensuse" updater works well. Joe Donald D Henson wrote:

I'm trying your advice, i.e. removing zen and rug and using Smart. It' taking me awhile to figure out how to use it but I have successfully added a couple of channels. I, in fact, used Smart to remove rug. Now I'm waiting for an "interesting" update to see how that works.

Thanks to all for some apparently good advice.

Donald D. Henson, Managing Director West El Paso Information Network The "Non-Initiation of Force Principle" Rules

Rajko M. wrote:

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On Tuesday 10 July 2007 10:53, Donald D Henson wrote:

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Another piece of the puzzle. I discovered an applet, opensuseupdater, that appears to work. At least it found and installed an update. Is this part of the total system?

Donald D. Henson, Managing Director West El Paso Information Network The "Non-Initiation of Force Principle" Rules

Donald D Henson wrote:

...

There are two icons in my toolbar, Install Software and Update Software. These icons are apparently related to Novell Zenworks and something called Rug, neither of which I understand. I can find very little "how to" info on either. What technical info I can find tends to be arguments about whether Zenworks/Rug is a step forward or a step backward. Under the circumstances, I think my confusion is reasonable.

Would anyone out there care to give me a quick synopsis of Zenworks/Rug and some simple rules on how to use them? A Zenworks/Rug for Dummies online article would also be helpful.

Thanks.

The shortest advice for Zenworks/Rug is remove them from your system and use YaST, zypper and opensuseupdater.

The Zenworks/Rug is somewhat bad solution for openSUSE as it is meant for automatic updates from carefully maintained repository, like in enterprises, where any update is already tested to work with current system, before being provided trough repository.

In openSUSE case carefully tested is only update repository that is covered with opensuseupdater. The rest of official openSUSE repositories is static, they do not change after they are published.

That is not always the case with additional (unofficial) repositories that can be used, but with some experience in handling packages from those repositories in case that YaST reports dependency problems, IMHO they are not meant for automatic updates, nor for inexperienced users.

See also: http://en.opensuse.org/yast http://en.opensuse.org/Zypper http://en.opensuse.org/KDE_Updater_Applet and of course

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On Wednesday 11 July 2007 12:10, Donald D Henson wrote: .....

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The shortest advice for Zenworks/Rug is remove them from your system and use YaST, zypper and opensuseupdater.

The Zenworks/Rug is somewhat bad solution for openSUSE as it is meant for automatic updates from carefully maintained repository, like in enterprises, where any update is already tested to work with current system, before being provided trough repository.

In openSUSE case carefully tested is only update repository that is covered with opensuseupdater. The rest of official openSUSE repositories is static, they do not change after they are published.

That is not always the case with additional (unofficial) repositories that can be used, but with some experience in handling packages from those repositories in case that YaST reports dependency problems, IMHO they are not meant for automatic updates, nor for inexperienced users.

See also: http://en.opensuse.org/yast http://en.opensuse.org/Zypper http://en.opensuse.org/KDE_Updater_Applet and of course

I'm trying your advice, i.e. removing zen and rug and using Smart. It' taking me awhile to figure out how to use it but I have successfully added a couple of channels. I, in fact, used Smart to remove rug. Now I'm waiting for an "interesting" update to see how that works.

Thanks to all for some apparently good advice.

I would not advise anybody to use Smart in the moment he is discovering openSUSE distribution. It is not bad tool, but one has to be experienced user to avoid trouble using it. It works similar to Zenupdater, ie. expects well tested repositories without dependency conflicts, otherwise user has to resolve them. For beginners is YaST for installation and opensuseupdater, as notifier, that is calling YOU (YaST Online Update), that will perform actual update. From repositories in the very beginning I would limit installations to official opensuse repositories plus update repository. Further, additional repositories listed in: http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_YaST_Package_Repositories should be used for single package installation, not as general update solution, otherwise very soon there will be a lot of dependency conflicts that is not trivial to resolve. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org